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Here I sit at the end of 2020 setting up a new high-end Dell workstation running Win 10 Pro for Workstations 20H2... The machine has double the processor speed, double the RAM bandwidth, 3x the GPU speed, and 6x the I/O throughput capacity of my prior workstation, and I'm thinking I've got it in pretty good shape with "only" 137 processes running to support an idle desktop... Seems snappy enough, though not knock-your-socks-off faster compared to my circa 2012 workstation running Win 8.1. Seems just about equally interactive, actually. It's not like Visual Studio starts up instantly. The machine's specs are way beyond the computer of my wildest dreams when I was younger yet somehow still feels disappointingly bloated even after a half day of setting up and tweaking. Guess I still have to tweak some more. I installed the latest VMware Workstation version and booted up a Win 10 VM I hadn't used in a while and realized it's still on v1909 build 18363.693 and still runs Big Muscle's Aero Glass for Win 8+ just fine. Sigh. I thought I had gotten used to these stupid, Windows 10 square borderless windows and now I see these windows with borders and rounded corners and feel the pain all over again. Elegance is worth something and its loss hurts forever. I hate how a machine that can complete a copy of a 2 GB file in well under a second still puts up a progress bar for the deletion of a single small file because I guess Microsoft feels laypeople need more feedback. Why does bloat have to expand to equal the rate of hardware improvement? Where is that written? -Noel

As reported already by others, NM27 27.9.7 (32-bit) (2020-12-25) effectively kills several of previously installed extensions, below follow the status/addon bar of the same dirty profile first loaded in 27.9.7 (32-bit) (2020-12-11): and then loaded in latest 27.9.7 (32-bit) (2020-12-25): Missing icons, from L->R, are for: Dismiss The Overlay 1.0.3 Age Unlimiter for YouTube 1.0.2 (currently broken...) [TEST] Reload PAC button 0.1.2.1 [TEST] HLS Stream Detector 0.4.3 [TEST] HDS Link Detector 0.7.2 [TEST] My IP Now 1.2.0 [TEST] = Jetpack extension, force-installed via MTT EDIT: Additional extensions which are killed, but their icons were placed in the address bar (thus not shown in the attachments), are: CookieKeeper 1.9.3.1 ImTranslator 10.52 I keep that NM27 portable installation for legacy/testing purposes though, my daily drivers are either NM28 or St52...

I wouldn't word it that way. #1675 is only a month old. Mypal 27.9.4 (my default-for-all browser-of-choice) is from July 2018.

Looks like LibreOffice 6.x series works: But 7.x causes a VC++ runtime error right now. Just drop "LaunchCondition" from MSI before installing using Orca.

Hello @Areba21, welcome to this wonderful forum and hello from India

Well , that's odd , I didn't hear anything "bad" about Vista in my country . We had Siemens laptops and desktops during that days , they were quite popular and fast/robust. Later Siemens became just Fujitsu , but that's another story . Though, I liked Siemens better because they used higher quality parts. And this one , yes , I heard that alot too : "advised to replace Vista with XP after buying a PC" . Actually I did it it (but with Win2000). Just for some time , until dark themes became available . I couldn't stand Vista's paper white folder backgrounds . Are you OK with not being able to customize the background ? Earlier Windows didn't have a problem with that. Oh , and Windows 7 wasn't that popular here , we still had plenty of good working Siemens PCs , in good condition with Vista pre-installed . There was no need to replace it with Win7 , which is worse. So , many people here just skipped to Win8 (NOT including me). These days the situation is much worse . It's like a ton of zombies around and everyone with Win10/Linux.

Oh , thanks for the info , yet another reason to not purchase new cards from Nvidia . I decided to boycott them when they removed 16x and 32x CSAA for no apparent reason and without warnings.

The war against Windows 10 is going on and Vista is slowly winning (with kernelex in development) but with newer, more powerful hardware being developed, Vista compatible hardware (especially hardware from 2005-2008) is slowly getting obsolete. Still, I plan on using Vista until at least 2023. Vista holdouts: you can share your plans of using Vista in 2021 and beyond here.

It might be a lot simpler to use a newer OS as host for a Vista VM, instead of the other way around.

I suspect that Chrome (and presumably Edge) will end support for Windows 8.1 at the same time as 7, just as they did for XP and Vista (vanilla) in 2016. Apple iTunes has already ended support for both, and Avira antivirus plans to do the same. (We might say that Win7 is the new XP and 8.1 is the new Vista, and many software makers may give 8.1 the “Vista treatment” because it has few users.) So it may be Windows 10 APIs that are needed by 2022. Of course I agree that Firefox support should last longer than Chrome, but how much longer will depend on the number of Win7 diehards who are using Firefox.

The first "problem" and the one that needs to be addressed by UXP issue #1675 is the embedded web player on rutube.ru not loading/displaying in UXP browsers (New Moon 28, Serpent 52, IceApe-uxp, BNavigator, etc.), whereas the rest of the rutube.ru site is being loaded/displayed correctly. The second problem (probably unrelated to the first one) with the rutube.ru site is that in NM27 it appears to load at first, but then it vanishes into thin air, leaving an empty tab; in deprecated Mypal 27.9.4 and in Arctic Fox 27.11 (both Tycho forks, much like NM27), the site in question does load (no "second" problem present), but, of course, minus the embedded web player ("first" problem still present...). One begs the question what good it might be having a video portal working in a browser minus the ability to watch videos there (...), but to each their own...

I don't have this exact issue with Opera , though I've never tried ver. 72 , and I was asking about Chromium , not Opera. And the issue with chromium is not like this at all , they are just switched OFF , not "disabled" . For example an extension with dark theme is not disabled , but switched OFF after I restart the browser , so I have to manually switch it back on with the button . This happens to you with some custom adblocker ? Then just use Chromium 81.

There's the answer regarding rutube.ru. Apparently it's not the only video site that uses what it does.

Comodo Firewall v12.0.0.6870 work on XP, but at startup, opening the interface, opening settings, and so on, several errors appear. Therefore, you need to look for an older version. UPD. Installed on another computer with XP, there are no errors. Strange, both systems are completely updated, all additional components are the same.

The last good were 10.x versions made by the American developers. Everything after 10.x is bad (in win32's and my opinion). Perhaps there is a chance they will replace your key ? Write to them and say you're not satisfied with that glitchy product. They shouldn't cut the U.S. development team off of their good job. Tell them you're an unsatisfied customer .

15.x versions are bad (glitchy) in @win32's and my opinion , sorry.

I see 15.x on your photo . Try other versions of VMware . 10.x smth.

Hi The problem is different, it's the complete website that doesn't work on New moon 27.9.7, whereas on the previous posts it was only about the video player that didn't work on the "rutube" website. on all Roytam1 browsers .

07:34:06.799 TypeError: r.props.store.urlMatchStore.init is not a function Stack trace: n@https://static.rutube.ru/woodpecker/assets/208.6.2/web/main.js:2:410704 yi@https://static.rutube.ru/woodpecker/assets/208.6.2/web/main.js:2:1698433 Va@https://static.rutube.ru/woodpecker/assets/208.6.2/web/main.js:2:1717832 e[64448]/Yc@https://static.rutube.ru/woodpecker/assets/208.6.2/web/main.js:2:1761336 Iu@https://static.rutube.ru/woodpecker/assets/208.6.2/web/main.js:2:1747486 Ou@https://static.rutube.ru/woodpecker/assets/208.6.2/web/main.js:2:1747414 Nu@https://static.rutube.ru/woodpecker/assets/208.6.2/web/main.js:2:1747277 vu@https://static.rutube.ru/woodpecker/assets/208.6.2/web/main.js:2:1744264 pu@https://static.rutube.ru/woodpecker/assets/208.6.2/web/main.js:2:1741612 Ku@https://static.rutube.ru/woodpecker/assets/208.6.2/web/main.js:2:1757738 e[64448]/rs/<@https://static.rutube.ru/woodpecker/assets/208.6.2/web/main.js:2:1759158 gu@https://static.rutube.ru/woodpecker/assets/208.6.2/web/main.js:2:1744642 rs@https://static.rutube.ru/woodpecker/assets/208.6.2/web/main.js:2:1759143 e[64448]/t.hydrate@https://static.rutube.ru/woodpecker/assets/208.6.2/web/main.js:2:1766513 e[22377]/e/</e/<@https://static.rutube.ru/woodpecker/assets/208.6.2/web/main.js:2:664825 l@https://static.rutube.ru/woodpecker/assets/208.6.2/web/main.js:2:9543 s/i._invoke</<@https://static.rutube.ru/woodpecker/assets/208.6.2/web/main.js:2:9333 _/</<@https://static.rutube.ru/woodpecker/assets/208.6.2/web/main.js:2:9965 t@https://static.rutube.ru/woodpecker/assets/208.6.2/web/main.js:2:977 c@https://static.rutube.ru/woodpecker/assets/208.6.2/web/main.js:2:1192 1 main.js:2:78208 e[87092]/Fe</e.prototype.instrumentConsole/</</<() main.js:2 cc() main.js:2 e[64448]/sc/n.callback() main.js:2 di() main.js:2 hc() main.js:2 xu() main.js:2 e[60053]/t.unstable_runWithPriority() main.js:2 Bo() main.js:2 Tu() main.js:2 vu() main.js:2 pu() main.js:2 Ku() main.js:2 e[64448]/rs/<() main.js:2 gu() main.js:2 rs() main.js:2 e[64448]/t.hydrate() main.js:2 e[22377]/e/</e/<() main.js:2 l() main.js:2 s/i._invoke</<() main.js:2 _/</<() main.js:2 t() main.js:2 c() main.js:2 so the problem is in their code

@justacruzr2 Just a rather late thought that it might be useful to look at this thread. I had exactly the same problem with Windows 98 as you have now with XP. Looking at the thread again now, it's not quite as irrelevant to your issue as I thought, as although you wouldn't be able to use the same driver I did on Windows 98, there is important information in some of the earlier posts about how the HD Audio system works, with the HD Audio bus, which needs its own driver, which the actual audio hardware works through, and needs its own driver as well. HTH.

This is a nice surprise: MinGW compiler v8.4.0 works on Windows XP Not the normal release though (the latest v6 is already not working on XP) but the ReactOS Build Environment 2.2.1 version. This v8.4.0 MinGW compiler does seem to have difficulty finding its headers in the normal .\include folder, but it works flawless when I put these headers inside the other include folder, some subfolders down the .\lib\gcc\ folder. ReactOS Build Environment 2.2.1 also includes CMake v3.17.2, but without the GUI component. As for the official CMake packages: v3.13.5 is latest that runs on XP.

Let's stop now!!! If you need a thread for discussion on Windows Vista in 2021, I can start a topic. Moderators, after I create the topic, please split the recent posts which are here into that topic.

Alright that's it! Please stop arguing about operating system that you're not even using! Before you post something, try the os in a vm with the extended kernel. Otherwise don't tell lies like @D.Draker already pointed out.

I fully understand and I don't agree with him either, but my phone is constantly vibrating because of email notifications

Guys please. this topic was not originally vista vs 7 and 8 so stop arguing. it is your choice what os are you willing to use. Thank you

Mypal and Centaury related queries should be best directed at: https://github.com/Feodor2/Mypal/issues https://github.com/Feodor2/Centaury/issues (you need a GitHub free account... )

> Literally the first search result... Boah, just took a look, but no thanks. Afterdawn is bundling Adware with it, what a crappy site. Yes as you point out there's also a "normal" link, but without your hint that's too easily overlooked. But google spits out more working links, just a bit further this clean one, with original download links from comodo server - still working: https://malwaretips.com/threads/comodo-internet-security-2019-v12-0-0-6870-%E2%80%93-released.93658/

I wanted to addon: Open Shell is just an ineffective bandaid on a broken windowpane. I know, Open Shell/Classic Shell is a great application, but it makes sense to use only on Windows 8.x which is easier to tweak than the god-awful Windows 10. @monkeylove, do you understand why and how I hate Windows 10 now?

Almost every type of malware you can get is from human error or from being an administrator. By having common sense and requiring yourself to enter in an administrator's password to run an application, you are almost unpenetrable, except for the 0days and malware that litterally can break through those barriers.

I agree with you on everything but this. I don't have anything against it (apart of onedrive). Also it starts right up on my pc. Anyways I could not agree more. Nice summary

I'm still using winamp 5.65 (not anything newer) due to some weird bugs appeared in newer builds.

O&O Shut Up can break things, like microphones, because it disables those along with everything else Lack of updates doesn't really cause any problems, especially lack of security updates Open-Shell is just a band-aid on a broken pane of glass 🔪 (Joke)

I DIdn't install any telemetry updates, also no compattelrunner.exe in my windows folder. I'm quite happy with how windows 8.1 looks, windows 7 look looks dated in my opinion (Don't kill me for that )

I have no problems whatsoever on youtube. It even performs ( NM28 +XP ) better than Vivaldi browser on win 7.

you're almost 14 years late my friend

Oh yeah, I’m working on it. Just glad, that it works for now to finish my transfer period to spotify. (Apple effectively lost paying customer). True indeed. Oh yeah, 3 clean installs of the os itself. The problem is, that the driver only installs through inf file. You cannot use compatibility mode and install it any other way. Amd made sure to block nt 6.2 and 6.3 everywhere they could. Also that is HUGE bs, because on the box for rx 480 Windows 8.1 is displayed and not whole year after this card has released, they dropped the support? My ryzen pc build is running rock solid though, nvidia drivers are just awesome, not a single bad word against them. Nvidia seems to care about windows 8.1 and I love them for that that was ax 200 (wifi 6 spec pcie card) and his respond to one of the person asking on their forum.

Yes, @AeroSeeker, I agree with you that Linux is in many ways better than Windows 10, but one of the things I love about earlier Windows versions is that the UI was great (for example, Windows Vista's Aero UI and taskbar), but sadly, tweaking Linux to make it look just like a Windows Vista clone is impossible. I'm saying this because I'm not a fan on the Gnome, Mate, XFCE, LXDE etc.etc. themes in Linux.

Well, it is sad, everything seems to be ok, except this. Have you ever thought of creating portable launchers to such evil programs/games with emulating options ? By the way , any news regarding Opera ? I've tried again with the newest files , nothing happens , it just doesn't show any errors . do you know why ? By the way , chromium also doesn't work without the flag mentioned by the banned user.

Hi , I've come across this info "On Windows 7 and later operating systems, the .NET Framework retrieves culture data from the operating system ... The CultureNotFoundException is thrown if the operating system is unable to find the culture..." Is that true ? Isn't that why I can't solve this problem with the game ? Any other way to "tell" the game what culture is needed ? Thanks https://forums.asp.net/t/2080862.aspx?CultureNotFoundException+can+occur+when+culture+is+set+to+auto+in+web+config

It's the gaming PC , not connected to the internet , zero programs (not even a screen capture), except for several games and audio player . I wasn't even hope that someone would be interested in such system, I mean cheap Pentium and 9 years old HDD , I'm flattered )))

Yeah, and windows default sounds are also like pleasant music to our ears. Today's windows 8.x and 10 sounds are not great, especially the Windows 10 ones that reflect the bland look of the default ui. And in 8.x, the Vista style sounds were still there to replace the default ones but in Win10, they were gone!

Today my PC randomly installed overnight an app called Meet Now. Can't uninstall it because it is appearantly a part of Shell Experience Host. Argh. Along with that, the UWP apps that I had uninstalled reinstalled themself. Sure enough, Windows 10 thought it was a good idea to install the MsEdge update on my system without even telling me when I put my PC in sleep mode the night before. Doesn't it seem just like malware practices...

I don't game and have never done so at all, so don't ask about gaming experience. As for video and sound quality, it's just WOW on Vista!!

I too used it as my daily driver, but I use adobe photoshop for my work and Vista just could not serve me. Even if Vista is able to open new version of photoshop, the hardware is too weak for any real work. My daily driver is now: AMD Ryzen 5 1600 32gb ram DDR4-3200 RTX2060 Windows 8.1 Pro

Anyone using Vista Business purely because you need the aero interface, the handy backup and restore center with full functionality and presentation mode but do not care about Bitlocker (who even uses Bitlocker these days?) and media center and don't mind sacrificing them? I do.

I got Vista Ultimate x64 running on old dell M6400 mobile workstation. Specs: Core2duo X9100,2x4gb ddr3, Nvidia Quadro 3700M 1gb, 17" 1920x1200 glass panel, backlit keyboard and dock with 230w power brick. For hard drives got 160gb wd scorpio black for OS and 320gb wd scorpio blue for games/software. It runs vista because last user had upgraded Windows vista business on it to ultimate and he gave me install dvd with packaging so wanted give it a shot. After fresh install and updates it ran pretty well. I use Mypal web browser on it. That machine is very fast on up to date vista and got excellent panel for laptop.

@TrevMUN Smart Defrag will assist you in Trimming your SSD Drives. That's what I use, and it's free too; simply run the program and click on Trim & Intelligent Optimize. Now, sometimes your SSD Device will show up as a Hard Drive instead of a Solid State Drive. Simply hoover over where it shows the HDD Icon and your Drive Name; and Two Arrows will appear, click up or down until you see it change your drive to SSD. As stated above, click Trim & Intelligent Optimize, just hoover your mouse over the arrow that's pointing right (It's next to the Trim button) and it will give you that option. I have yet to test Smart Defrag's Trimming abilities with NVME based drives but, I would expect it to work the same way; as long as windows sees it; it should also see it. Enjoy and Good luck!

its like , if u have diabetics and u want to eat sweets, then sugarless sweets is only option for u, even knowing that there is no test in it. . same here for vista on 256 mb RAM.

I guess it's neat that you devoted so much time to this... but I don't understand why you would want to do this. Did you also convert your new Honda Accord to run on a carborator? People complain about security, installing Vista on Fat32 instead of NTFS is like leaving your doors unlocked at night.