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Wouldn't tell to uninstall. Some programs relies on windows' own crypto lib and the benefit far outweight the cons IMO. also let's make sure somebody else verifies this.
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@Dylan Cruz Thanks for finding out the offending updates. Just got a list of official XP SP3 updates, will download and unpack them all. Then see what was the last official update including the files in KB4019276 and KB4459091.
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@Dave-H Couldn't get WUMT working. However, the script on this article worked on a clean install of XP SP3: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/wua_sdk/using-wua-to-scan-for-updates-offline Save the text as a .vbs file (ie: wuscan.vbs), copy wsusscn2.cab to c:\ or change its path in the script, then run in a Command Prompt: cscript wuscan.vbs If it doesn't work, try to: - restart Windows - stop Automatic Updates service, delete C:\WINDOWS\SoftwareDistribution\DataStore and re-enable the service. If it says Searching for updates... then just wait, it's doing its job. -
MSE For Vista Now Shows XP Nag Screens
Vistapocalypse replied to Jody Thornton's topic in Windows Vista
Maybe resurrect Which Antiviruses are Known for a Fact to be Working on XP SP3 as of 2019? -
@Condor.07 Just a quick thought. Do you have the POSReady updates installed on your system? -
I've got MSE 4.4.304 installed per the consensus of it being the best version to install on XP. I'd like to get it working, and I'm perfectly fine with manually installing definitions, which is what I do on Vista anyways, and occasionally on W7 though auto-update there works on its own so that I never have a chance to download the definitions There's a procedure specified in the middle of this thread (now closed), from @heinoganda I believe: 1. Get the old good pe_patch.exe. 2. Rename mpam-fe.exe to TEMP.EXE 3. Use PE_PATCH to change "Sub-System Version" from 5.2 to 5.1 4. Use the reliable n7epsilon's PEChecksum.exe v. 1.4 to correct the PE Checksum. (or ModifyPE) 5. Rename TEMP.EXE to mpam-fe.exe and run it. I couldn't find PEChecksum, the file is no longer available, but ModifyPE works in XP. I changed Sub-System Version from 6.0 to 5.1 then clicked Save, then ran ModifyPE on it using: @echo off cd /D "%~dp0" modifype.exe TEMP.EXE -c pause Now, running the file, I don't see the "not a valid Win32 application" error, but nothing at all seems to happen. Thoughts? In Task Manager, I see TEMP.EXE for a couple seconds, then it disappears. I've tried killing MsMpEng.exe beforehand, and after TEMP.EXE exits that comes back up. Still red, no definitions installed. Previously, I also tried this script: However, this seems to auto-update MSE, which is not what I need - nor do I need it to download definitions. I'm just trying to install the mpam-fe.exe file I already have. I've also tried: For some reason, a minute or so after copying the files into that (originally empty) folder, they disappear. Not sure why, the folder is empty again. Seems that MSE is processing them, almost, but no change in the dashboard, everything is still red. Also tried this procedure: 1.239.450.0 is recommended, but I could only get MpSigStub from as new as mpam-fe 1.211.1490.0 without being TOO new... It runs, after about 30 seconds, it deletes the other extracted files in the directory, then exits. Again, it would SEEM that it was successful. Yet, MSE is as red as always. How can I actually install the current definitions? And if I can't install the current definitions, what are the latest definitions it will happily install?? **UPDATE:** Finally found some success! This page had it all: Turns out the definitions THEMSELVES did stop supporting XP at some point. I ran this one, and now my MSE is now yellow instead of red. That link in question (the latest XP-compatible mpam-fe.exe) is archived in the Wayback Machine (Internet Archive). I'm happy with that - I suppose it's yellow because it knows they are already old, and my MSE will never be green, and I should just live with that? Yellow is better than red, just want to know what I could expect here...
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Good luck with that, even @heinogandahad to concede defeat there!
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There is a thread there but for some reason, it's closed to replies. Not sure how they would feel if I started another one.
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MSE For Vista Now Shows XP Nag Screens
Vistapocalypse replied to Jody Thornton's topic in Windows Vista
My first thought is that you should use an antivirus for XP that can still receive definition updates. My second thought is that you should be posting in the Windows XP forum instead of the Windows Vista forum. -
Maybe you can try an alternative to Daemon Tools. The requirement to use .isz files limit the choice, but ther are still at least a couple ones that can read them, I think gburner and yubsoft imgdrive support that. AFAIK .isz is not really-really a compressed .iso (I mean it is a compressed .iso but it i not - unlike .iso a "standard" file format) so your mileage may vary. jaclaz
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So I tried the procedure but it doesn't seem to be doing anything: Get the old good pe_patch.exe. Rename mpam-fe.exe to TEMP.EXE Use PE_PATCH to change "Sub-System Version" from 5.2 to 5.1 Use the reliable n7epsilon's PEChecksum.exe v. 1.4 to correct the PE Checksum. (or ModifyPE) This is the command-line to use in a CMD Box: PEChecksum -c TEMP.EXE Rename TEMP.EXE to mpam-fe.exe and run it. I couldn't find PEChecksum, the file is no longer available, but ModifyPE works in XP. I changed Sub-System Version from 6.0 to 5.1 then clicked Save. then I ran: @echo off cd /D "%~dp0" modifype.exe TEMP.EXE -c pause Now, running the file, I don't see the "not a valid Win32 application" error, but nothing at all seems to happen. Thoughts?
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Beware... Do NOT install KBs 4019276 and 4459091 or you will completely break Microsoft Office encryption and who knows what else. That being said, these bring TLS 1.1 and 1.2 support to XP, but you can get them with other browsers like Firefox/New Moon anyways so it's the lesser of two evils for me
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I just clean installed Windows Vista SP2 in a VMware Workstation 14 Virtual Machine. Usually I mount an ISZ image (Compressed ISO) on the host using Daemon Tools and then passthrough that mounted image to the VM. This has worked for Windows 95, NT4, 98, 2000, Me, XP, 7, 8.1. Daemon Tools doesn't emulate a DVD drive but a Blu-Ray/BD-ROM drive. But Windows Vista shows the drive as an "HD DVD ROM Drive" and won't let me read/access the contents? WHAT is this nonsense? 😆 I need help accessing a mounted drive in a guest OS! I am sure no Blu-Ray drive requires any special drivers. Why is it misrecognizing it as an HD DVD ROM Drive? 😆
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Windows Vista Update Repository (until April 2017+)
xpclient replied to greenhillmaniac's topic in Windows Vista
Must be some telepathy because I just TODAY installed Windows Vista with SP2 just for fun in VMware and found they broke Windows Update due to SHA-2. Offline updating is always better. Thank you! By the Windows Vista offline updating finishes must faster if you disconnect from the internet otherwise every update tried to check applicability online and gets super slow. This was fixed in later versions of Windows. -
Alright, everyone, I did a fresh install and can confirm MSO 2010 works perfectly without those two problematic updates! Hopefully it's helpful if others in the future are having issues with MSO. 1. Replace MSO.DLL with MSO.DLL from KB 4092483 2. Do NOT install KBs 4019276 and 4459091 or you will completely break Microsoft Office encryption and who knows what else. That being said, these bring TLS 1.1 and 1.2 support to XP, but you can get them with other browsers like Firefox/New Moon anyways so it's the lesser of two evils for me Now... back to trying to figure out how to get MSE definitions to install...
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Sorry, had to, it's not secure! There's login and stuff on some of those pages, and you get dinged big time in security tests and audits! Even W2K can do TLS 1.2 HTTPS so I saw no reason to allow HTTPs, and recently, < TLS 1.2, either. Even Lynx can do TLS 1.2. Yeah, SNI is a thing but it's been supported since IE6, so probably not a big concern these days. Correction: IE7 on Vista, apparently...
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Oh definitely! I was just pointing out that SNI is another very common reason which seems much less discussed! I like what I see on your Website from my main Web browser; some really compelling copy, though it's blocking me from Internet Explorer — are you blocking all visitors over HTTP as well?! D: Seems rather contrary to the copy on your site! 🙃
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Some sites are TLS 1.2 only. I changed mine to no longer accept TLS 1 and 1.1 just last week.
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Unfortunately,I think it's often the lack of SNI perhaps even more than the TLS version that makes Websites deny Internet Explorer. It's the unfortunate difficulty of dealing with software that wasn't up to par even when it came out eleven years ago!
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I mean most sites which are TLS 1.2 only have CSS that IE8 can't render properly. Only older sites will work "fine" in IE8. These updates in question though seem to be the ones that break MSO so it's kind of a catch22...
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YT may not work on old browsers anymore, starting March 2020
ThomasW replied to reboot12's topic in Windows XP
@siria if it wasn't clear, I would think that the YouTube-dl program would work pretty well for your use case since it sounds like you're just looking to extract the videos from the page at this point. To find the available formats, use: "youtube-dl --list-formats %VideoURL%", or "-F"! [case sensitive] and then pick the one you want, e.g.: "youtube-dl -f 18 %VideoURL%" Did none of the alternative Invidious instances work for you? (that seems a lot nicer to me for casual viewing since it's a Website rather than a downloader program) The good thing about youtube-dl though is that it works not just on YouTube, but on practically any Website (unless they've seriously tried to obfuscate operations through tons of crazy JavaScript) -
Wow that's awesome ED_Sln — excited to try that once I get my system backed up properly!
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I have exactly those files, and I've set WUMT up as in your image, but still no joy. I'm still seeing on every boot three error entries a second or so apart in the Windows Application Event Log. This started happening when I tried to run MBSA, which reported that it had failed to download the update database. I now don't seem to be able to stop the error messages. All the research on it seems to say you need to trash the DataStore folder in the Windows\SoftwareDistribution folder, but in my case this makes no difference, I'm still getting the error messages. I can't help but think that these two issues are related! Any suggestions gratefully received!
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MS has released updates adding TLS 1.1/1.2 to XP and IE8. It lacks some encryption methods, but most sites using TLS 1.2 open fine.
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Didn't even know that was possible, I'd heard of that for Vista but not XP! Firefox 52.9 ESR has TLS 1.2 support and New Moon even has TLS 1.3 support, so I don't think it's much of an issue. IE9 is really the oldest usable IE these days... IE8 is just too old now to work well at all, so no TLS 1.1/1.2 is probably fine, since it can't render those sites properly anyways. It's kind odd Microsoft makes XP users choose between Office encryption or better TLS... can't have your cake and eat it, too, I guess! But XP isn't usable for me without Office so that's the choice I'm making
