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Well.. I created an icon for the Whistler Branding which would be used on Pale Moon... It is based on a public domain photo of the actual whistler mountain.

You have to think though.. Names need to be able to be visually represented.. With what I suggest it not only follows a theme for those in the know.. It also stands on its own as basic concepts that can be represented easily. Whistler, a mountain Freestyle, some sort of abstracty glyph Neptune, Blue planet or perhaps the God Neptune's trident and Lonestar some sort of star likely akin to a sherrif's badge.. put it on an envelope or stamp or something.. That is what I was thinking.

The largest the logo icon would be anywhere is 256x256 which is the second largest size. At that resolution it doesn't look as chunky as it does in the 512 size. But let's see..

for me, I just want a working browser and naming is unimportant to me. If just changing the names and no artwork works need to be done in short period (as I have no time working on artwork and I have no sense about audio-visual), then it can be done. As I have no idea what name to use, I'd create a poll here and let people to choose use names that Tobin given, or a name by other forum member suggested, and also give out a "No" option for reference. if these can be accepted by people, then it can be proceeded afterwards.

I don't think being confrontative helps any, I'm sorry to say. I do think ignoring Matt's offer (as in hiding one's head in the sand) leads nowhere. And his offer *was* ignored, while very minor issues continued to be discussed. There's much to gain and nothing to lose in accepting it. My 2¢, of course,,, but this is one occasion I think keeping silent a real bad choice..

Ok.. I just a few posts ago offered to help him simplify his entire process with a unified application repository as well as doing all new branding for four applications WHILE still maintaining the profile directory path already in use. I offered to do ALL THE WORK to accomplish this.. So I don't take to kindly to your assumption of my level of sincerity. I can totally understand wanting to put off doing branding as long as possible.. Hell I only JUST completed my Official branding for Borealis Navigator as I am planning to make a release of in the near future. I also know how difficult it is to come up with names and logos that are effective as well, though I have an easier time of it than actually implementing it. The fact is it does still cause confusion and lead to the wrong conclusions from people.. Not a month goes by that at LEAST one person wants something for a "Pale Moon for Windows XP" or whatnot. They don't understand the difference between what roytam1 is doing and what WE are doing. Users using these unofficial builds on Windows XP do nothing for us but take up our time and sabotage our efficiency with dealing with support questions from users who don't know any better. It is hard enough to accomplish when they are using our products. I gave you a totally unique concept for branding of applications all built by one person using one platform codebase and offered to do the work. I would have thought this would be great since it is obvious roytam1 has no problem whatsoever using other people's names, images, and work to produce what he wants. After all if I had called Borealis and Interlink Neptune and Lonestar respectively with their own artwork as the Unofficial Branding then he would be using it. How is this any different? So I am left with ONLY two conclusions both of which REALLY suck.. He is too lazy to change it of which I have offered to do it for him OR he is deliberately trying to damage us by continued association of which he and all of you don't believe anyway and I really don't want to believe is true anymore even if it is cause it is depressing. SO LET'S DO A THING AND FINALLY SORT THIS. EDIT- IF he doesn't want to use the COMM configuration and he wants to keep everything in the forked platform repo we can do it that way too. I know all the things that need changed and setting git patches for changed paths is easy. Also, I can reverse the alt packaging stuff for you and since you selectively take patches from us anyway you can just skip further ones relating to that. I can answer questions you may have like regarding the build system, let you know what is happening and why, etc.. All I want in return is for your projects to BE actual projects.

I really don't see why it is such a big problem to create an original logo/name. @Matt A. Tobin is extending the olive branch, THEN SOME, and being flat out ignored.

My contempt has ALWAYS been based on the fact that using the unofficial names for our projects especially "New Moon" causes confusion and some even attribute what roytam1 has done to us. Wanting to go your own way but not even taking that first step of rebranding has always irked me. That is what started all of this. It is the one request we have had from the start that roytam1 has to this day not fulfilled. "New Moon" specifically is too intrinsically tied to the Pale Moon project to maintain any pretense of not being affiliated with or representing that project. That is why for my unofficial branding I choose EXTREMELY generic names of "Browser" and "MailNews" so there is less confusion when someone goes off on their own and produces builds not following my vision or representative of my projects. Indeed, that was also partly motivated by you guys as well. I thought if I made them hopelessly generic that you would change them to something unique but that never happened which is just silly. Who wants to set Browser as their default Browser anyway? Yeah, you guys p*** me off because I see a lot of really rookie mistakes and some bad decisions in your development while still via user ignorance being associated with us and what we are doing. It also p***es me off that this is perhaps the fourth time I have offered some level of help and have not been taken up on it. I offered to share the secrets of how to do things like branding, as you said, before and it was ignored. After the second time y'all were kicked off the Pale Moon forums because EVEN IF you don't intend it it from OUR perspective looks like you guys just want to run off our work and reputation (and until kicked off) our infrastructure rather than stand as your own thing and accomplishment. You project the appearance of leeches or a poor imitation of what we have been doing, for five plus years. This has ALWAYS been the issue with rebuilds and minor mods but you ARE more that that.. With all the builds you guys produce from all over the spectrum.. Why do you guys not want to make it your own? You don't own "New Moon" it isn't exclusive to you and you aren't associated with any other "New Moon"s or "Serpent"s out there. The one thing I have always said was that if you were going to do this you should do it properly and not half-assed. I can sleep a lot better if someone I believe is doing something half-assed isn't using terms that are associated with me or what I do. Your Platform Codebase isn't JUST UXP with XP Compatibility it is something fundamentally different than what our vision is.. Same goes with the applications. I see that roytam1 has reverted or restored some stuff from the Navigator that I removed or changed. You guys have created something other.. Something new.. Whether I like it or not is immaterial. I dislike Basilisk as a project and application, I don't like Australis, I don't like WebRTC, and I don't like DRM and YET I am still contributing to it. I haven't USED Pale Moon as a web browser for the majority of 2019 and I am still doing important work on Pale Moon. So even if I don't specifically believe in what you guys are doing I can still help in some way to make it better. If you get unique branding then the NUMBER ONE REASON I HAVE against you no longer exists. There would be no confusion and no longer any perceived damage or association regardless if it exists or not and I can finally consider you guys as going your own way and doing your own thing. You talk about actions and history well when I say I am going to do a thing.. I do that thing. See: The previous six years. Now I am not going to do it unless I know he will accept it. I had quite enough of that back at the SeaMonkey project. But he says go for it.. I will accomplish. You can bet on that. Afterward, whatever happens can be taken a day at a time. If as you say, I don't do it well then I have lost all credibility on making any argument against you on that basis. So it is in my best interest to accomplish. If I do it then p*** off back to BinOC Land and never show up again.. You still have it. You have nothing to loose and I have things on the line by offering and agreeing. There is no downside.

Well if you don't pick something... and keep using generic branding then it will never be a real project. Real projects have names. I don't care what you call it but as long as you keep calling it by OUR unofficial names it is going to cause confusion with users and I will continue to rail against it until the heat death of the universe because YOU are damaging US. Show me you want to be taken seriously, that I should respect your accomplishments, or accept my help and then I AM INVESTED. Beyond that.. I dunno what else can be done because you aren't US and you have nothing of your own thus far. That leaves you in limbo and it is sad. It literally makes you lesser than a Firefox rebuild. They at LEAST have names.

We can't be expected to support Windows XP but you guys want to and have positioned your self to. The breakdown happened over this branding situation and everything else came from that. It really isn't something that can be overlooked because there just has to be a way definitive way to differentiate what are otherwise very similar but different projects with mutually exclusive goals and vision. If that one root point is resolved then on-going cooperation is possible even if it is in an advisory or resource role. Not born out of threats and what is now mutual bul***** but because we do have some common interests but aren't, even inadvertently, encroaching on each other's territory. I can make this happen and work if the one point above anything else is resolved. We are approching a new year and a new decade AND a new development milestone. Surely we all can have this too.

The name "New Moon" was built into the Pale Moon source repo as a placeholder for anyone making an unofficial build of Pale Moon. It was always recognized as a temporary name. In the original thread, I and many others made many clever suggestions for a permanent name, but none caught on, so @roytam1 just kept using the New Moon name. I'm reluctant to restart the cacophony of suggested names again. "Whistler" may not be that inspiring, but it's not bad and fits a theme. Let's get this done at last.

I like this branding idea. The version names are linked to the codenames of supported Windows OS versions so it makes the things easier for those looking for which browser to use.

Okay, the olive branch is here, really. Two heads are better that one, right? It always helps to bounce ideas. United we stand, divided we fall, "we're all in the same boat here". Make hay while the sun shines.

I have never posted about this so far, but Matt is right. A unique brand for the browsers is the best way to make them stand out and finally get this issue sorted out for good. I have been in this forum for around a year, previously as a lurker and since this spring as a member, and I do believe that a tense atmosphere between the PM team and Roytam1 doesn't help at making things better (maybe he can also help you improve the shortcomings of some browsers, such as the infamous stuttering of 45 ESR SSE, that is a pet peeve of mine, you know 😛). Why not burying the axe of war for good? I know that between you and Matt there seems to be a non idyllic relationship, but in my opinion, Matt is offering a precious help @Roytam1 and his in-depth knowledge of the browser can help you further along the way. You know I use your browsers regularly on my RDD, and everything I want for those is to be even more excellent than they already are. In my opinion you should not ignore his offer.

Hi guys My friends old PC needed a Windows XP activation after a hardware change. He was getting the 32777 error message when tried to do the online activation. The Windows was not updated since he is not using it online, just periodicaly connects to update the antivirus software. So, he didn't had an SP3 installed, Windows was still with IE6. So, after searching for the easiest way to do the activation under these circumstances, I think I stumbled upon something great. In one of the forums in my country (Serbia), I found a post about the activation trough the Android phone App. Yeah, I was sceptic also, but it turns out that this thing works :) So, if anyone is in the same spot, and need a fast and easy way to activate legal Windows XP, try the andoid phone app on the Play Store. The app is called MPActivator. Not sure if there is the same thing for iOS devices, but you can loan any android phone, from your family members or a friend. The process won't take long, you just need to type in some numbers :) Start the phone activation in your Windows XP, and when you get to the activation window, you will get that 9 blocks with 6 digits. Start the MPActivator on your android phone. Close the first window that comes up by pressing the "x" in the upper right corner of the phone. You will then get the product activation screen. Just follow the instructions, choose the 6 digits tab, fill the 9 blocks with 6 digit numbers you got on your Windows XP (Instalation ID), check that you didn't made any mistakes, and tap on "Submit". You will get the numbers that you need to type in your PC and voila, the activation is done! I hope this will work for everyone like it worked for me. Great App!

StartIsBack 2.9 BETA2/3 http://www.startisback.com/StartIsBackPlusPlus_setup.exe

Vladimir Putin ‘still uses obsolete Windows XP’: https://www.digitalmunition.me/vladimir-putin-still-uses-obsolete-windows-xp-despite-hacking-risk-world-news/ with reason, surely: much less telemetry than all next Windows versions!

Hopefully this hatchet can be buried for good. I'm a huge fan of the work that everyone here has done.

Thank you. Well I have been awake for about 24 hours. I'll do some thinking and conceptualizing when I next awake.. You guys let me know what you decide on the direction of the all this.

ESET probably didn't even test it on XP Wow64DisableWow64FsRedirection and Wow64RevertWow64FsRedirection are missing that prevent it from running Infact both of these functions are in Server 2003/XP x64 SP1+

Beauty! I like this icon. And the orange you added later really complements it

IESHIMS.dll is often one of the typical "false positive" detections by dependency programs. Oh, where are you running this .exe from?

Make sure to use the Mobile driver on the notebook instead of the desktop driver. IIRC there was a time when desktop and cpu graphics used the same HwIDs, where you could load the desktop driver onto the mobile, but it didn't unlock the extra features that the mobile chip has.

roytam1 said: > for me, I just want a working browser and naming is unimportant to me. If just changing > the names and no artwork works need to be done in short period (as I have no time working on artwork > and I have no sense about audio-visual), then it can be done. GREAT! Delighted to see light at the horizon :-)) Am sure new artwork can also easily be added, just created by other members here. Always amazed by the artistic skills of non-pro's in the web since decades. msfntor said: > Two heads are better that one, right? It always helps to bounce ideas. > United we stand, divided we fall, "we're all in the same boat here". > Make hay while the sun shines. LOL! Love especially that brilliant last line, sounds like a proverb, didn't know it yet. Fully agree. I always find it sad that people and groups so often cause each other huge problems, but not caring at all just for ideological reasons. Even when minimal efforts on one side would spare great struggles to the other. Until some day third parties start a war against them all and suddenly they find themselves in the same boot, finally realizing that helping each other will benefit all, and then make great progress by working together. Just so useless that humanity often needs wars to speed up progress, when they could get the same without destructive side-effects. Have read that funnily this conflict-loving behavior extends to animals too, especially wolves, if there are no external threats they start fighting each other inside the own group, but still find it sad. Oh well. But back on topic, just tossing around some names ideas... One prob for users without dev background, it's really confusing when browser forks with minor differences get completely different names each time. There's not even a Wikipedia page "translating" what's what in reality, the basics of those forks, like "Firefox fork to keep killed good features, forked again to still work on XP and keep yet more killed good features" ;-) As a user one is completely left out in the dark, seeing only completely unknown alien names, of completely unknown alien browsers, with no explanations to find easily. For that reason I'd also like very much some common family name or stub for closely related builds, just as a recognizable hint. With that in mind, and the target of "good old" systems, how about.... Moonix26/27/28? Could get used to that one very easily, except "nix" hinting wrongly towards Linux... Or XFox? XMoon? XSnake? XLizard? (current faves) OldieFox? OldieMoon?... Herit-... Vintage-.... Vint... Golden-... Sunset-... Dusk-... Dear-... Blue-... Night-... Nite-... Ripe-... Mozy-... Goa-... RoyFox? RoyMoon?... (but probably too personal, if some day continued by others)

Looks nice! Simple and effective. I like it.

I see no reason why good news for MSE users should be introduced with cursing, but I like erpdude8's diligence. As @dencorso correctly predicted back in January, MSE definition updates will continue after January 14, although no specific grace period has thus far been announced AFAIK. The page FAQ about Extended Security Updates for Windows 7 mentioned in my previous post was updated December 18: The last part about "the MSE platform will no longer be updated" isn't very surprising, since there hasn't been an MSE upgrade in more than 3 years. I was happily using 4.10.209.0 on Vista until it started to nag in January 2017. My question about MSE nagging was answered to my satisfaction 2 months ago, erpdude8. Page 2 of this thread is actually another MSE-related topic, which is fine with me.

I agree with all the line. A fruitful collaboration can be spawned out of this, and I hope @roytam1 will agree.

I've seen them in action. But this does logically flow to another subject, one of my "pet peeves" if you will. Pale Moon faces this type of denigration itself, yet it's developers continue the cycle and pass this same denigration down to XP (or other legacy systems) users, who only wish to be left alone, and not have things broken "on purpose." As I said it would be long ago, now we're all in the same boat here, whether we agree with one another or not. We all need this same platform. It would be nice to stop arguing about it incessantly. I know you only speak for yourself, but maybe it's a start. If the rest of the Pale Moon crowd would lay off the condescending attitude, then maybe something constructive could come of all this. Personally, I'm mostly indifferent to the name changes. I tend to favor keeping them as-is, but in the end it doesn't matter. I'm just firmly opposed to changing it based on threats, intimidation, or just to appease someone who's being a pain. If those things do indeed come to an end, then maybe it should be considered. I'm not advocating in favor of it; the decision lies solely with roytam1, and I will continue to support him whatever he decides.

When I test the patches I typically use darksky.net, a google search results page, MSFN, and the vogons forum

For the most part I'm satisfied with Roytam1's browser builds, but my criticism is that the "IA32" builds (most likely) don't support Windows 9x. That is one reason why I would like to see either a K-Meleon 1.5-1.6 build (For TLS 1.2 support), or a Firefox 3.6 build.

7260/8260, like said above, although, I'd rather go with a older adapter, one that has even more support

Many older devices lack support for eXecute Disable, which renders them incompatible with with newer versions of Windows. Only those who are fans of planned obsolescence, and landfills full of e-waste, would oppose an effort to keep old operating systems alive.

Pale Moon is commonly called New Moon over this board, and I see no reason to move away from this name. Is there any? Basilisk shall be called Wyvern, just because I played HoMM III much enough to connect it this way.

DAMN IT MICROSOFT! Make up your damn minds about MSE on Win7 Now MS has made complete U-turn about offering MSE definition updates after the Win7 EOL 1/14/2020 date, Vistapocalypse: https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-security-essentials-to-get-updates-after-windows-7-eos/ https://borncity.com/win/2019/12/18/microsoft-security-essentials-mse-for-windows7-extended-definition-updates-after-january-14-2020/ https://www.computerworld.com/article/3510500/microsoft-blinks-security-essentials-will-continue-to-receive-updates-after-jan-14.html Edit: looks like Win7 users will be able to continue to use MSE even after Jan. 14, 2020 - so you can forget about Win7 users seeing any MSE EOL nags, Vistapocalypse. I recently installed the recent MSE definition updates on my bro's Win7 laptop this Dec. 2019 and still no MSE EOL nags appear. Edit 2: Proof is in this Microsoft community forum thread about extending MSE updates for Win7 after EOL.

I have to concede that was quite a kind gesture. For all I say against you, I'm VERY impressed. Yet oddly enough, I'm more of the same mindset as you are towards continued XP use. Nonetheless, it was a very kind gesture you made towards this crew. Cheers and Merry Christmas!

roytam1, please add an old WebGL from Firefox 43.0.4 that could work with hardware acceleration on old GMA cards.

See if there are any wake options you can disable in the BIOS.

Can you imagine Putin lurking MSFN and eventually posting questions with a fake and apparently unrelated nickname? XD

Hi LoneCrusader, Thank you for your donation of $50.00. We look forward to improving the forums and stay online with your donation. Thanks MSFN

Holiday updates for all! Replaced Monthly Rollup with the new KB4530691 (located on the root directory of the repository) Replaced Servicing Stack with the new KB4532920 (located on the root directory of the repository) Replaced Flash Player update with the new KB4516115 (located on the root directory of the repository) Added Security Only Updates, KB4516062, KB4519985, KB4525253 and KB4530698 (located in the folder "/Security Only (Post September 2016)") Replaced Internet Explorer Cumulative Update with KB4530677 (located in the folder "/Security Only (Post September 2016)") Replaced .NET Framework Security and Quality Rollups: KB4514370 for .NET Framework 3.5 SP1 (located in "/.NET Framework 3.5 Updates/Security and Quality Rollup"); KB4514368 for .NET Framework 4.5.2 (located in "/.NET Framework 4.5.2 Updates/Security and Quality Rollup"); KB4533010 for .NET Framework 4.6.x and 4.7.x (located in "/.NET Framework 4.6x-4.7.x Updates/Security and Quality Rollup"); Added new September .NET Security Only updates: KB4514349 for .NET Framework 3.5 SP1 (located in "/.NET Framework 3.5 Updates/Security Only Updates"); KB4514342 for .NET Framework 4.5.2 (located in "/.NET Framework 4.5.2 Updates/Security Only Updates"); KB4514337 for .NET Framework 4.6.x and 4.7.x (located in "/.NET Framework 4.6x-4.7.x Updates/Security Only Updates"); I'll need to investigate .NET Framework 4.8 and see if it is actually installable on Windows 8.0. For everything else, there's not much to report on. Next month marks the last release of a security update for IE10. Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to everyone https://mega.nz/#F!ExhDEbDA!pUhzXKVp5-hgzvylW_btfQ

It's been a long time, but I finally managed to update the repository: Replaced Monthly Rollup with the new KB4530695 (located on the root directory of the repository) Added Security Only Updates, KB4516051, KB4520009, KB4525239 and KB4530719 (located in the folder "/Security Only (Post August 2018)") Added Servicing Stack Update KB4531787 (located on the root directory of the repository) Replaced Internet Explorer Cumulative Update with KB4530677 (located in the folder "/Security Only (Post August 2018)") Updated SHA2 update KB4474419 to v4 (located in the folder "/SHA2") Replaced .NET Security and Quality Rollups: KB4507003 for .NET Framework 2.0 and 3.0 (located in "/NET 2.0 SP2/Security and Quality Rollup"); KB4507001 for .NET Framework 4.5 (located in "/NET 4.5.2/Security and Quality Rollup"); KB4533012 for .NET Framework 4.6 (located in "/NET 4.6-4.6.1/Security and Quality Rollup"). Updated the TLS 1.1 and 1.2 enabling reg file to include x64 (located in "/Extras") I hope I didn't miss any updates. This should cover the 4 months of updates missing. I think all of these updates require SHA2 support, so be sure to first install the Servicing Stack and SHA2 updates found in the "SHA2" folder. After Server 2008's EOL there might be a chance to use Extended Security updates on Vista until 2023, thanks to @abbodi1406's "Bypass Windows 7 ESU" hosted on MyDigitalLife forums, though I don't think anybody has tested the bypass on an actual Vista install. Merry Christmas, happy New Year and here's to 3 more years of patching https://mega.nz/#F!txxRyLzC!1vBMGzMHiL864f3bl1Rj1w

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msfntor said: > When sorting the new profile, I'm afraid of losing my bookmarks and extensions - I've never done this... Open page about:support, and look for the button or link to open the Profile folder. In normal Mozilla browsers this contains everything of the current user profile. All settings, bookmarks, history, extensions etc. (except in K-Meleon, which has more stuff shattered elsewhere) Then step 1 level higher, there should be a file "profiles.ini" - right? Make a backup copy of that whole folder and you're safe. To be 100% sure, you could even copy the whole browser folder. Now open "profiles.ini" in a text editor (notepad), and find this line: StartWithLastProfile=1 "1" means "true" and means for the browser: if several profiles exist, do NOT ask user at startup which he wants to use this time, just start with the last used profile. You can change this to 0 (=false = not automatic) and restart the browser. Now it should show the profile manager at startup with some options, incl. a button to "create" a new profile. The new profile will not replace the current one, it will just be an additional one. Am using myself multiple profiles for various reasons, find this very handy :-)

@roytam1's browsers (at least, the UXP-based ones) do play HTML5 videos OOTB; but I'd still say they're aimed at the MSFN crowd, not the general public. For one thing, they lack installers; for another, they aren't release builds. We just had a discussion about that a few pages back. It seems you need to change your user agent. @msfntor suggested a SSUAO: For a more general solution, you could just set general.useragent.override (without adding a specific site), or in Serpent, just make sure general.useragent.compatMode.firefox and general.useragent.compatMode.gecko are both set to true and general.useragent.compatMode.version is set to the Firefox version you want to pretend to be (e.g., "52.9", "55.0", "60.9", etc.). In NM 28 there's a Firefox compatibility setting in Tools / Preferences that does the same thing. Evidently many sites need to know you're using a Firefox fork in order to send you video with the right audio codec.

Well, SM 2.49.5 (last for XP) doesn't, anyway. You either have to install Adobe Primetime or copy some DLL's from one of @roytam1 browsers. We had a bit of an adventure trying to figure this out in the original (now closed) thread, but we eventually did figure it out, and we now have two ways to play HTML5 videos in SM 2.49.5. Note: That only applies to Windows XP. On newer Windows versions SM 2.49.5 can use WMF to play HTML5 videos, but XP lacks WMF.

Thank you kitaro1, On WaybackMachine Internet Archive we have 30 captures of legacycollector.org, and latest is from Nov 10, 2019. ... don't forget some very useful extensions I use: Bitdefender TrafficLight: trafficlight-0.2.17.1-signed.1-signed.xpi - for New Moon, Ad Blocking FiltersetP: for New Moon, Serpent 52, Serpent 55 / Moebius ... whitelist javascript websites (Javascript Whitelist): whitelist-javascript-websites-0.0.5.xpi - for New Moon, Serpent 52, Serpent 55 ... It reloads the current page, after changing its state (enabled, disabled) - very good.

StartIsBack 2.9 BETA http://www.startisback.com/StartIsBackPlusPlus_setup.exe

Look: between 7 and 10 MS should have about 80% of the total usage share. Leaving something under 50% of that total on no antivirus, considering they'd be actively endangering the remaining 10 machines, just to try and force a couple more percent to move over to 10 is suicidal, and MS fully knows that. Of course they are bound to announce a grace period once again. They may be raving mad, but not complete fools.

Since no "POSReady-type" spoof is needed, for all purposes, the OS remains 7 (Ultimate x86 or x64 in my machines, BTW). So the question is will MS stop producing signature updates in 2020 (when, say, 7 still shall have about 40% usage share)? I doubt it. It'd be the equivalent of shooting a bazooka on their own foot. They may be raving mad, but not that mad, IMO. YMMV.