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No versions of Windows are abandonware.

I'm sure it will. Hope is never lost for such OSes like these.

To answer this, yes. Just like XP and Vista (and 2000 I guess), 7 will still be usable and will continue to go strong (well I hope). And ESU support for Windows Embedded POSReady 7 ends on October 14, 2024. So idk if those updates will install on 7.

Very impressive! I was able to tweak my LTSB down to 29 processes and 290 threads. It's been a while since doing my tweaks but I seem to recall that the "default install" had somewhere between 48 and 60 processes! Don't recall the exact number, but it was a far cry from only 29

@vinifera @UCyborg @Jody Thornton take a look at my customized LTSB 2015 for a low profile fanless laptop with NVME ssd. I used files from windows 8.1 and windows beta 10.0.9888 (First beta with w10.0 kernel version & last beta with w8.1 theme style in taskbar & windows): uxtheme uxinit themeui shellstyle from 9888 & windows 8.1 theme folder c:\windows\resources\themes Only StartIsBack is used for the taskbar. Yes, processes and threads tweaked by me. Also take a look at the explorer without ribbon and explorer navigation arrows and icons... (imageres.dll from 8.1) caption buttons can be tweaked to make it look smaller like windows 8.1, titlebar font is the same as 8.1 button and dialog style can be changed too to be more like 8.1 but wasn't done in the screenshot. (you can see inactive window black border... w10 dwm? ) No patches. All files are MS original from other builds:

here is the place to post your favorite wallpapers for christmas (kind of like the old wallpaper thread but Christmas themed). anyways here are some cute christmas time wallpapers I found (all credit goes to the creators)

@WinWord2000 Try tagging some of the people who are posting in the XP thread, as I've tagged you above. That will draw this thread to their attention. They may say that they have no interest in working with Windows 2000, but at least then you'll know!

(update) I have now turned this into a Christmas wallpaper thread so please post your favorite wallpapers here! (phone wallpapers are welcome also)

4K Beautiful Christmas Wallpapers: https://newevolutiondesigns.com/4k-beautiful-christmas-wallpapers ...and this one I like:

That's completely impressive!

Btw @msfntor, sorry for not responding to your posts, I've been away from my laptop for a day, so I didn't get to see your replies here and reply.

Welcome back @XPerceniol, good to see you here again!

That's my techno brother ! I was worried sick, you know !

Hi, Thank you, and I will stay, and thank you to all that reached out to offer insight. I think a much needed break is exactly what the doctor ordered and gives me time to reflect and not react on emotions alone. Be well everyone, I'm fine just getting back to real life matters. I kid you not, part of an addictive personality involves even online forums and I need to recognize it before it takes over.

Let's not start talking about upvotes and likes again. That thread was closed for a reason, do not hijack another thread just to resurface its discussion.

Sad news for everyone here at MSFN. One of our forum supervisors, Dencorso, passed away on October 24th, after a long and courageous battle with cancer. Apparently he was still upbeat and optimistic about the future a few weeks before he passed. My memories of Den go back quite a few years. He was incredibly helpful to me with technical problems, which is what this board is all about of course, initially mainly with Windows 98, and latterly with Windows XP. He was immensely supportive too when I first became a moderator here, something I will always be grateful for. He was definitely one of the good guys, and will be sorely missed here. Please add your memories here of working with Den. Thanks, Dave.

Hey there! So, I want to install Windows 7 Pro or Ultimate on my Surface Go. I just don't know how to install it. The specs are: CPU: Intel Core i5 1035G1 GPU: Intel UHD Graphics RAM: 4 GB (3.60 GB usable) SSD: Hynix hC8aP> with 64 GB of storage So, yeah, if anyone knows, I would love to install Win 7. Goodbye!

I still use one of those "natural keyboards" But I also feel like I had to teach myself "two ways" to type - one way for at home, another way for at work. And I had to teach myself to use the left hand for #6 versus the right hand - which probably only means I was always using the wrong finger for #6 to begin with. I haven't shopped around for one of the "natural keyboards" in years though, don't think they make them with the short-stroke-depress keys like most keyboards nowadays. The short-stroke-depress keys is probably much more of a fatique-preventative ergonomic advancement than the angled "natural keyboard" was/is.

Sorry been busy. @Dave-H. Yes i remember the natural keyboards, query very early 2000s. Some of my coworkers liked them, supposed to keep better wrist alignment. I worked in healthcare back then when RSDs (repetitive strain disorders) were trending. Personally i type well when needed but cross over fingers too much when gaming, never got used to the split layout. Good quality keyboard. @UCyborg. Thanks for your computer history and experiences. Since i use Windows 9x, 2000 and XP it can be confirmed that i resemble that (grumpy old dinosaur). Why not, there's lots to be grumpy about. Anyone who used good old hardware and software back in the day can see where things have led. Not to pick on you personally, Windows 10, for example, is not much more than an advertising and closed source spyware platform that happens to run hardware, requiring a multitude of additional CPU cycles to perform essentially the same tasks. @XPerceniol. Thanks for posting, i wish you well on your journey, thanks for supporting @Drugwash, we all need support these days. I read some of your posts and see how you struggle, you are not alone. @marco_a. Thank-you for taking the time to post a picture of your keyboard. Very nice, i've never seen one labelled specifically for Windows 98. @jumper. Dig up a 5 year old post and request a thread title change. My Windows 98 SE test systems are part of the Windows 98 family and i can't know what Windows 98 releases other contributors are running, the thread title is accurate. Safe to say 99% of the software versions and OS tweaks discussed also apply to Windows 98 FE. To make the thread title Windows 98 SE specific is equally misleading, sure enough the next poster will indicate 'hey software versions abc and xyz work on my Windows 98 FE too'. Impossible to keep everyone happy, as recent forum drama can attest. @Kiriko Takemura. Your posts have been moved by admin to it's own project page. Seems to have been well liked, all the best with your project. My rendition of the "Browservice" project https://msfn.org/board/topic/184179-my-rendition-of-the-browservice-project/ @Tommy. Thanks for creating a project thread for @Kiriko Takemura. The post indicates it may work with Windows 2000 too, if that matters for project page placement. To me a project that requires external hardware, OS, web browser and software to spoonfeed Windows 9x is not vanilla. @Tommy. Kindly restore my SpellForce post (about 2-3 weeks ago), query inadvertently deleted when you created the project page for @Kiriko Takemura. If not accidental deletion, please clarify rational for removal.

You don't know what a person might be going through. You don't know what he can bring you or how he can inspire you. I always prefer to be kind and polite. When I want to hear something unpleasant I turn on the news. After all these years since w10 release, I have been testing and tweaking it trying to get it as fast as w8.1 on the same hardware and noticed what really makes it better in memory usage and laggy in general use (ui lag). I searched for tweaks year by year... and I can say the os CAN be faster than w8.1. I even know at which beta build the os makes a difference in terms of slowness compared to early builds and 8.1 but I don't want to go offtopic here. Just remember how fast 98 and 2000 (even XP) were on normal hardware and you will understand how losing cpu cycles has been normalized these days. Don't believe me? You still think w10 it's "always" faster? Ok, just take a look at Windows 7 market share percentage and ask yourself why people is still interested in an "old" OS. MS optimizes the kernel/OS as much as they can so that Telemetry and Metro running in the background does not penalize the general system peformance (that's why they recommend you a list of the minimum required cpus to run it) but once you get rid of these and other things you have an OS faster than w8.1... cause you won't release an os slower than its predecessor, right? Do you still don't believe it? I'll maybe release a software someday to really optimize windows considering all these tweaks here and there... it's really a different OS once you heavy tweak it. Well, sorry for going offtopic and thanks to everyone who liked my customized w10 with w8 theme. Edit: Anyway I'll always love Windows 8.0, but I can't completely ignore Windows 10 when Intel isn't releasing iGPU drivers to run w7,w8 on new hardware...

The right video link, as the video in itself is "wrong", the first thing they say is that they are not going to actually install windows 7, but rather that they are going to install the Windows 7 inside a VM (Virtual Machine) running on Windows 8 or 8.1. Anyway the OP has seen people installing 7 on modern hardware, so possibly he could ask those people how they installed it, though I have to remind that modern hardware is not a synonym of a Microsoft Surface, and particularly not of a Surface Go. I don't think it is possible at all, due to the peculiarities of Surface's (generally) hardware (namely the UEFI only and - if I recall correctly - GOP only video[1]), but additionally the Surface GO is a relatively recent model and I doubt that - even if *somehow* you can get past the two mentioned roadblocks - appropriate drivers can be found for it. jaclaz [1] there are actually workarounds for these - though complex and risky - that may apply to some "modern" hardware, but I doubt specifically to the Surface

No, Bruno. You can. I've seen people install Windows 7 on modern hardware.

You can still get them (Windows 7 ESU updates) for free by using a patch from MDL (My Digital Life), but I don't think a patch to get POSReady 7 ESU updates has been made (well at least yet)

The question is , does he own a gazillion bucks licence to able to use them !

Must be exclusive custom made !? Here's a casual cheap (popular) mobile i5 CPU from March 2016, almost 7 years old. No Win 7 drivers at all, not even old ones! https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/95443/intel-core-i57200u-processor-3m-cache-up-to-3-10-ghz/specifications.html

Well, my applications still work, my hardware still works, and it does everything I need it to do, so in my case, yes. The beauty of things like this, is that something is only really usable for what you need it for personally (I know someone in person who still daily drives w2k just fine!), so if you need newer hardware or applications for your daily needs, probably not. There are some risks associated with sticking with 7, but I accept those risks and worries, as Windows 10/11 and Linux don't really do all that I need them to, while 7 still works just fine. I can see myself using it for the foreseeable future, and probably beyond as well. ヽ(・∀・)ﾉ

Such a nasty disposition. Perhaps someone else may care.

According to what is reported by TrimCheck, O&O Defrag v17.5.559 seems to perform the trim in XP also for the NVMe drives: before trim: running trim: after trim:

OK, something still wrong with emulating Processor(), if you can dump acpi logs from this board, i think i will find solution. But it may require more time because i don't know where is problem, so it is try&report way

and for builds using NSS-Retrozilla are updated as well: http://o.rthost.win/gpc/files1.rt/gecko17-vc6-new-nss.7z http://o.rthost.win/gpc/files1.rt/ns9-nss-update.7z http://o.rthost.win/gpc/files1.rt/CometBird-9.0.1-new-nss.7z http://o.rthost.win/gpc/files1.rt/CometBird_11.0-new-nss.7z http://o.rthost.win/gpc/files1.rt/Firefox8-new-nss.7z http://o.rthost.win/gpc/files1.rt/Firefox10-new-nss.7z http://o.rthost.win/gpc/files1.rt/phoenix-0.5-cl933-tls12.7z http://o.rthost.win/gpc/files1.rt/classilla-9.3.3-win32-tls12.7z http://o.rthost.win/gpc/files1.rt/rzbrowser-tls12-20221208.7z http://o.rthost.win/gpc/files1.rt/retrozilla-suite-tls12-20221208.7z http://o.rthost.win/gpc/files1.rt/K-Meleon1.5.4en-US.tls12.7z http://o.rthost.win/gpc/files1.rt/fx36vc71-20171108_newnss.7z http://o.rthost.win/gpc/files1.rt/KM74-g22-20221208.win2000.7z http://o.rthost.win/gpc/files1.rt/palemoon-26.5.0-20221208.win2000.7z

welcome back @XPerceniol! Its Good to have you back!

Windows 7 is abandonware, dropped by Microsoft almost 3 years ago. https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-7-support-ended-on-january-14-2020-b75d4580-2cc7-895a-2c9c-1466d9a53962 Hell, it's not even supported by the famous MKV cutting programme MKVToolNix, for almost a year now. And like the above orator said, the drivers are terribly out of date, Intel dropped Wiindows 7 eight (8 or 9!) years ago ! Nvidia and AMD dropped Win 7 approx. 2 years (or so) ago.

I felt I had to share this here.

Firefox 14. Sound support when using the VxD driver was discontinued in one of the nightly builds between versions 14 and 15. Among all the nightly builds of version 14 that I checked, I came across both supporting sound, and where there is no sound anymore. In version 15, it is no longer completely (Although I did not thoroughly check the nightly assemblies 15 - there are too many of them).

With all due respect, tt is interesting that you, a person that has zero use for this browser, would dare comment on some of the most helpful persons in this thread, presuming they do it to gain... what? I agree with a previous fellw here in that most of comments in the last three pages could go somewhere else, yours in particular.

The only updates that really matter are those that deal with security certificates.

i really don't understand why is everyone so obsessed with these "security updates" ? i use 7 sp1 with patches untill 2015, later when they started integrating telemetry i didn't install a single update and my OS runs perfect ... why all the paranoia ?

This is some devastating news, he was very active over at the Win9x section and others, he will be missed. Rest in Peace.

you make your own thats what i did to XP and to 7 lol

Anyway, been using DC Browser for a while, it's performing smoothly and good so far.

Yes, had the exact happening here, I was able to fix it by going to "th.bing.com" from the logger, then to "Static filter" tab, then setting the "network requests of type "image"" of "th.bing.com" from "Block" to "Allow", then clicking on "Create", and reloaded the page. The image then loaded fine for me now.

After a good night's sleep, I see what the issue is. That link is not direct, but goes through another site, should read like: https://img.picturequotes.com/2/52/51597/how-i-feel-when-my-computer-is-broken-quote-1.jpg

Right, this personal bickering has gone on long enough, again! If you want the 'reputation' system changed, I suggest that you PM @xper who is the owner of this forum. It will not be changed without his decision. This thread is now locked.

Oh, so "we"'re no longer speaking for the entire MSFN, are "we"? That was fast. Now "we"'re just doing more drama, "public shaming" and pretending that I didn't already say what I want or more importantly what my friend would like to see. It's totally your fiction that me and my friend are "angry" with these people or don't have enough empathy or want whatever your clean techno forum is supposed to mean. I've seen no one saying that people can't talk and support each other through life problems here but it makes no sense to gut the rep system in the process. Anything they can "say" with giving rep they can say with words during their chatting. The reason those boards are called general discussion is because they're peripheral to what this forum is about. There's so much social media everywhere and it's a waste to turn this board into that too. If rep from this periphery overwhelms rep for merit from all technical boards, something is seriously wrong with the system. If these people deliberatly seek to overwhelm the rest of the board in this way then they're not as gentle as you say because then it's like a coup. If it's not deliberate but they honestly think they're entitled to many times more rep than people like @Humming Owl or @NotHereToPlayGames or @roytam1 and many others who do very importand work here for free then I think something is wrong with their value system. I just mentioned some names my friend gave me as examples and there are many others. If they don't think they're entitled to more rep than those people then they can at least stop giving it to each other for saying the sky is blue. You do understand that, don't you? It's very magnanimous that you're not willing to be a moderator when no one is willing to make you one. I know you didn't miss the point of "wannabe moderator". I can't wait to hear details about how I would stab the mods in the back after apologizing for making impossible demands. You can get extra points if you can do it without name calling and buzzwords like agenda or Communism or ChinoRussia. @AstroSkipper Well said!

I am a member of MSFN since 2010. The "reputation" system and the "leaderboard" used to have more of a purpose, but are now meaningless or moreover worthless. It has been and is still being reduced to absurdity and shot into insignificance through meaningless voting or the new game I call "rep scoring", among other things. There is a troop of members here who have finally dealt a death blow to this voting system. In any case, I would suggest that the word "reputation" should be replaced by "number of votes". So that new members here don't think that certain people have an insane amount of knowledge, even though that's not the case. Anyway! I would be lying if I said I was no longer interested in voting in general. I am still interested in voting for real, meaningful, technical contents. Unfortunately, every nonsense is voted for in this forum as well as in this thread, but real content that has been painstakingly created often hardly gets any attention. There is an excellent saying in the German language that perfectly describes the number of daily posts of some members: "Quantität ist nicht gleich Qualität!". Translated: "Quantity is not equal to quality!" or "Quantity does not mean quality!". And as for MSFN, it seems no longer to be a technical forum but by definition a communication platform according to the administrators, as I unfortunately had to learn some months ago. A communication platform! Like the social media platforms! That is very regrettable. Cheers, AstroSkipper

I think you quote from "The new Leaderboard is designed to better highlight your most active members and content based on reputation and other metrics." but that doesn't say rep is based on other metrics. The metrics for active members in their screenshot are "most reputation", "most content", "most status updates". No one would think high post count means the poster is more knowledgeable so things other than rep aren't a problem. Maybe for top content they include search engine rankings too but not for members. My friend says the front page ranking here comes only from the rep that people give by liking posts.

I even had him help me with a few problems on here especially when I was a younger member on here he showed me how to do good on here and was a good friend

I'm a bit late to the announcement but this is extremely sad news for me. I credit Den a lot for me becoming a moderator here on MSFN. I still remember he offered the position to me to which I humbly and graciously accepted it. We had some good discussions back and forth and because he was originally into Windows 98 like I was, we easily found common ground that way. Den was a very kind, cordial, and courteous person. When I first heard he was diagnosed with cancer, I was deeply saddened. I lost both my grandparents to cancer and my mother is a cancer survivor, so I don't like cancer very much to say the least. As optimistic as he seemed to be about keeping the cancer at bay, I was really hoping he'd return one day like nothing ever happened. But he'd go months without any sort of an update and that was very worrying to me. Now the worst has happened, but he is at peace now and pain-free, which is the best thing out of a horrible situation like this. Rest in Peace buddy, until we meet again!

Agreed. That has been a big nuisance of late. But I am also reminded of a year or so ago when we had "two" forum members that always liked each other's posts, no matter how "useful" or unuseful the posts actually were. It was rumored that the "two" forum members was actually only ONE PERSON "liking" their own posts just for the sake of that USELESS "reputation". To the point of even "yelling at" OTHER forum members for not "liking" their posts when this "person" liked any other forum member's posts. It's a "generation thing", I suspect. I have no interest in "social media" web sites but MOST of them all "thrive" on the "like" button and how many "followers" the user is able to "collect". So yes, unfortunate, but we have members here at this forum that carry that "Instagram", "Twitter", "Facebook", et cetera "look at me, I have 2000 followers" mentality herein and falsely think it "means something".

I am so sad. He was a great person. I knew him since my first days on MSFN, many, many years ago, and besides the public interactions on the board we had a lot of correspondence via PM's, both on computing and on a whole range of different topics, from cinema and TV to art and linguistics (he could read and understand very well Italian and I can understand a very little Portuguese, we had a common interest in Latin - as root of both languages - and we often exchanged opinions on these and many other things), I considered him a friend. I will greatly miss him and our exchanges. Besides his great work in helping and advising other people on technical matters, he was always polite and just (as a moderator), while often managing to keep a veil of humour in his posts. He told me about his illness, describing it as a "a quite mean cancer", from the tone of his latest messages he was fighting fiercely against it, and was hoping to defeat it only one month before, at the end of september. May he R.I.P. jaclaz