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No versions of Windows are abandonware.

I'm sure it will. Hope is never lost for such OSes like these.

To answer this, yes. Just like XP and Vista (and 2000 I guess), 7 will still be usable and will continue to go strong (well I hope). And ESU support for Windows Embedded POSReady 7 ends on October 14, 2024. So idk if those updates will install on 7.

Very impressive! I was able to tweak my LTSB down to 29 processes and 290 threads. It's been a while since doing my tweaks but I seem to recall that the "default install" had somewhere between 48 and 60 processes! Don't recall the exact number, but it was a far cry from only 29

@vinifera @UCyborg @Jody Thornton take a look at my customized LTSB 2015 for a low profile fanless laptop with NVME ssd. I used files from windows 8.1 and windows beta 10.0.9888 (First beta with w10.0 kernel version & last beta with w8.1 theme style in taskbar & windows): uxtheme uxinit themeui shellstyle from 9888 & windows 8.1 theme folder c:\windows\resources\themes Only StartIsBack is used for the taskbar. Yes, processes and threads tweaked by me. Also take a look at the explorer without ribbon and explorer navigation arrows and icons... (imageres.dll from 8.1) caption buttons can be tweaked to make it look smaller like windows 8.1, titlebar font is the same as 8.1 button and dialog style can be changed too to be more like 8.1 but wasn't done in the screenshot. (you can see inactive window black border... w10 dwm? ) No patches. All files are MS original from other builds:

here is the place to post your favorite wallpapers for christmas (kind of like the old wallpaper thread but Christmas themed). anyways here are some cute christmas time wallpapers I found (all credit goes to the creators)

@WinWord2000 Try tagging some of the people who are posting in the XP thread, as I've tagged you above. That will draw this thread to their attention. They may say that they have no interest in working with Windows 2000, but at least then you'll know!

(update) I have now turned this into a Christmas wallpaper thread so please post your favorite wallpapers here! (phone wallpapers are welcome also)

4K Beautiful Christmas Wallpapers: https://newevolutiondesigns.com/4k-beautiful-christmas-wallpapers ...and this one I like:

That's completely impressive!

Btw @msfntor, sorry for not responding to your posts, I've been away from my laptop for a day, so I didn't get to see your replies here and reply.

Welcome back @XPerceniol, good to see you here again!

That's my techno brother ! I was worried sick, you know !

Hi, Thank you, and I will stay, and thank you to all that reached out to offer insight. I think a much needed break is exactly what the doctor ordered and gives me time to reflect and not react on emotions alone. Be well everyone, I'm fine just getting back to real life matters. I kid you not, part of an addictive personality involves even online forums and I need to recognize it before it takes over.

Let's not start talking about upvotes and likes again. That thread was closed for a reason, do not hijack another thread just to resurface its discussion.

Sad news for everyone here at MSFN. One of our forum supervisors, Dencorso, passed away on October 24th, after a long and courageous battle with cancer. Apparently he was still upbeat and optimistic about the future a few weeks before he passed. My memories of Den go back quite a few years. He was incredibly helpful to me with technical problems, which is what this board is all about of course, initially mainly with Windows 98, and latterly with Windows XP. He was immensely supportive too when I first became a moderator here, something I will always be grateful for. He was definitely one of the good guys, and will be sorely missed here. Please add your memories here of working with Den. Thanks, Dave.

Some thing I have been work on in my very little free time. You know "Browservice" project right? He made a software that pushes endless stream of JPEG images to the browser that contain a website rendered by Chromium engine. Complete with fake address bar and front end JavaScript to capture keyboard and mouse. The idea sounds so ridiculous, so crazy, but it actually works on almost every OS and almost every old browser. Problem of "Browservice" is it doesn't feel convincing. IE constantly downloading images and status bar goes crazy (it appears that the memory leak exists). Also very slow when website has a animating. I did something similar but using RDP. Only for IE5 and IE6. Should work Win98/ME/2000/XP<SP3. I develop in XPSP2 IE6 and WinME IE 5.5 for now. Since it's ActiveX control, I am inside of IEXPLORE.EXE and have full control (that's how drive-by downloads installed spyware and virus back in the days). I use the power to intercept the menu, toolbar, address bar, status bar, etc. IE becomes only a bit of GUI under my control. All commands are redirected to remote server running Chromium engine there. RDP has the feature "Virtual Channel" to send messages (WTSVirtualChannelOpen etc.) My implementation so far browsing experience feels 99% like using real Internet Explorer because RDP protocol is much faster and get clipboard support, access to local hard drive, sound, video streaming, etc. for free by Microsoft. Unfortunately still very early in development. Downloads not yet work. History not yet work. Popup window not yet work (very difficult). But I hope that in a few months from now good old Win9x and Win2000 can join a modern Internet again. Backend in C#. Frontend in Visual Basic 6 with OLEEXP and patched SSUBTMR (just to prove it can be done, but it is painful). Maybe you will say that's the fake screenshot. Okay, you can do it. I don't have the argument at the moment. But soon I hope to show it running on real hardware.

I still use one of those "natural keyboards" But I also feel like I had to teach myself "two ways" to type - one way for at home, another way for at work. And I had to teach myself to use the left hand for #6 versus the right hand - which probably only means I was always using the wrong finger for #6 to begin with. I haven't shopped around for one of the "natural keyboards" in years though, don't think they make them with the short-stroke-depress keys like most keyboards nowadays. The short-stroke-depress keys is probably much more of a fatique-preventative ergonomic advancement than the angled "natural keyboard" was/is.

Sorry been busy. @Dave-H. Yes i remember the natural keyboards, query very early 2000s. Some of my coworkers liked them, supposed to keep better wrist alignment. I worked in healthcare back then when RSDs (repetitive strain disorders) were trending. Personally i type well when needed but cross over fingers too much when gaming, never got used to the split layout. Good quality keyboard. @UCyborg. Thanks for your computer history and experiences. Since i use Windows 9x, 2000 and XP it can be confirmed that i resemble that (grumpy old dinosaur). Why not, there's lots to be grumpy about. Anyone who used good old hardware and software back in the day can see where things have led. Not to pick on you personally, Windows 10, for example, is not much more than an advertising and closed source spyware platform that happens to run hardware, requiring a multitude of additional CPU cycles to perform essentially the same tasks. @XPerceniol. Thanks for posting, i wish you well on your journey, thanks for supporting @Drugwash, we all need support these days. I read some of your posts and see how you struggle, you are not alone. @marco_a. Thank-you for taking the time to post a picture of your keyboard. Very nice, i've never seen one labelled specifically for Windows 98. @jumper. Dig up a 5 year old post and request a thread title change. My Windows 98 SE test systems are part of the Windows 98 family and i can't know what Windows 98 releases other contributors are running, the thread title is accurate. Safe to say 99% of the software versions and OS tweaks discussed also apply to Windows 98 FE. To make the thread title Windows 98 SE specific is equally misleading, sure enough the next poster will indicate 'hey software versions abc and xyz work on my Windows 98 FE too'. Impossible to keep everyone happy, as recent forum drama can attest. @Kiriko Takemura. Your posts have been moved by admin to it's own project page. Seems to have been well liked, all the best with your project. My rendition of the "Browservice" project https://msfn.org/board/topic/184179-my-rendition-of-the-browservice-project/ @Tommy. Thanks for creating a project thread for @Kiriko Takemura. The post indicates it may work with Windows 2000 too, if that matters for project page placement. To me a project that requires external hardware, OS, web browser and software to spoonfeed Windows 9x is not vanilla. @Tommy. Kindly restore my SpellForce post (about 2-3 weeks ago), query inadvertently deleted when you created the project page for @Kiriko Takemura. If not accidental deletion, please clarify rational for removal.

True, it doesn't have that option, you get 60FPS if available. Yup, also would be interesting seeing someone duplicate YT's stats for nerds. I wonder about the percentage of YT users whose hardware actually runs AV1 at decent resolution well in the browser.

https://thecollectionbook.info/gallery/?f=/spotlight-99

You don't know what a person might be going through. You don't know what he can bring you or how he can inspire you. I always prefer to be kind and polite. When I want to hear something unpleasant I turn on the news. After all these years since w10 release, I have been testing and tweaking it trying to get it as fast as w8.1 on the same hardware and noticed what really makes it better in memory usage and laggy in general use (ui lag). I searched for tweaks year by year... and I can say the os CAN be faster than w8.1. I even know at which beta build the os makes a difference in terms of slowness compared to early builds and 8.1 but I don't want to go offtopic here. Just remember how fast 98 and 2000 (even XP) were on normal hardware and you will understand how losing cpu cycles has been normalized these days. Don't believe me? You still think w10 it's "always" faster? Ok, just take a look at Windows 7 market share percentage and ask yourself why people is still interested in an "old" OS. MS optimizes the kernel/OS as much as they can so that Telemetry and Metro running in the background does not penalize the general system peformance (that's why they recommend you a list of the minimum required cpus to run it) but once you get rid of these and other things you have an OS faster than w8.1... cause you won't release an os slower than its predecessor, right? Do you still don't believe it? I'll maybe release a software someday to really optimize windows considering all these tweaks here and there... it's really a different OS once you heavy tweak it. Well, sorry for going offtopic and thanks to everyone who liked my customized w10 with w8 theme. Edit: Anyway I'll always love Windows 8.0, but I can't completely ignore Windows 10 when Intel isn't releasing iGPU drivers to run w7,w8 on new hardware...

thanks for all the input everyone its much appreciated!

You can still get them (Windows 7 ESU updates) for free by using a patch from MDL (My Digital Life), but I don't think a patch to get POSReady 7 ESU updates has been made (well at least yet)

The question is , does he own a gazillion bucks licence to able to use them !

Must be exclusive custom made !? Here's a casual cheap (popular) mobile i5 CPU from March 2016, almost 7 years old. No Win 7 drivers at all, not even old ones! https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/95443/intel-core-i57200u-processor-3m-cache-up-to-3-10-ghz/specifications.html

Well, my applications still work, my hardware still works, and it does everything I need it to do, so in my case, yes. The beauty of things like this, is that something is only really usable for what you need it for personally (I know someone in person who still daily drives w2k just fine!), so if you need newer hardware or applications for your daily needs, probably not. There are some risks associated with sticking with 7, but I accept those risks and worries, as Windows 10/11 and Linux don't really do all that I need them to, while 7 still works just fine. I can see myself using it for the foreseeable future, and probably beyond as well. ヽ(・∀・)ﾉ

This is somehow ridiculous statement - I have Dell laptop with Intel integrated graphics and last version of drivers for it was released in April 2021! Btw, I recall also drivers for network card and USB released around 2020 and 2018.

Such a nasty disposition. Perhaps someone else may care.

According to what is reported by TrimCheck, O&O Defrag v17.5.559 seems to perform the trim in XP also for the NVMe drives: before trim: running trim: after trim:

OK, something still wrong with emulating Processor(), if you can dump acpi logs from this board, i think i will find solution. But it may require more time because i don't know where is problem, so it is try&report way

and for builds using NSS-Retrozilla are updated as well: http://o.rthost.win/gpc/files1.rt/gecko17-vc6-new-nss.7z http://o.rthost.win/gpc/files1.rt/ns9-nss-update.7z http://o.rthost.win/gpc/files1.rt/CometBird-9.0.1-new-nss.7z http://o.rthost.win/gpc/files1.rt/CometBird_11.0-new-nss.7z http://o.rthost.win/gpc/files1.rt/Firefox8-new-nss.7z http://o.rthost.win/gpc/files1.rt/Firefox10-new-nss.7z http://o.rthost.win/gpc/files1.rt/phoenix-0.5-cl933-tls12.7z http://o.rthost.win/gpc/files1.rt/classilla-9.3.3-win32-tls12.7z http://o.rthost.win/gpc/files1.rt/rzbrowser-tls12-20221208.7z http://o.rthost.win/gpc/files1.rt/retrozilla-suite-tls12-20221208.7z http://o.rthost.win/gpc/files1.rt/K-Meleon1.5.4en-US.tls12.7z http://o.rthost.win/gpc/files1.rt/fx36vc71-20171108_newnss.7z http://o.rthost.win/gpc/files1.rt/KM74-g22-20221208.win2000.7z http://o.rthost.win/gpc/files1.rt/palemoon-26.5.0-20221208.win2000.7z

welcome back @XPerceniol! Its Good to have you back!

Windows 7 is abandonware, dropped by Microsoft almost 3 years ago. https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-7-support-ended-on-january-14-2020-b75d4580-2cc7-895a-2c9c-1466d9a53962 Hell, it's not even supported by the famous MKV cutting programme MKVToolNix, for almost a year now. And like the above orator said, the drivers are terribly out of date, Intel dropped Wiindows 7 eight (8 or 9!) years ago ! Nvidia and AMD dropped Win 7 approx. 2 years (or so) ago.

I felt I had to share this here.

Firefox 14. Sound support when using the VxD driver was discontinued in one of the nightly builds between versions 14 and 15. Among all the nightly builds of version 14 that I checked, I came across both supporting sound, and where there is no sound anymore. In version 15, it is no longer completely (Although I did not thoroughly check the nightly assemblies 15 - there are too many of them).

i really don't understand why is everyone so obsessed with these "security updates" ? i use 7 sp1 with patches untill 2015, later when they started integrating telemetry i didn't install a single update and my OS runs perfect ... why all the paranoia ?

This is some devastating news, he was very active over at the Win9x section and others, he will be missed. Rest in Peace.

you make your own thats what i did to XP and to 7 lol

Yes, had the exact happening here, I was able to fix it by going to "th.bing.com" from the logger, then to "Static filter" tab, then setting the "network requests of type "image"" of "th.bing.com" from "Block" to "Allow", then clicking on "Create", and reloaded the page. The image then loaded fine for me now.

After a good night's sleep, I see what the issue is. That link is not direct, but goes through another site, should read like: https://img.picturequotes.com/2/52/51597/how-i-feel-when-my-computer-is-broken-quote-1.jpg

Right, this personal bickering has gone on long enough, again! If you want the 'reputation' system changed, I suggest that you PM @xper who is the owner of this forum. It will not be changed without his decision. This thread is now locked.

I am a member of MSFN since 2010. The "reputation" system and the "leaderboard" used to have more of a purpose, but are now meaningless or moreover worthless. It has been and is still being reduced to absurdity and shot into insignificance through meaningless voting or the new game I call "rep scoring", among other things. There is a troop of members here who have finally dealt a death blow to this voting system. In any case, I would suggest that the word "reputation" should be replaced by "number of votes". So that new members here don't think that certain people have an insane amount of knowledge, even though that's not the case. Anyway! I would be lying if I said I was no longer interested in voting in general. I am still interested in voting for real, meaningful, technical contents. Unfortunately, every nonsense is voted for in this forum as well as in this thread, but real content that has been painstakingly created often hardly gets any attention. There is an excellent saying in the German language that perfectly describes the number of daily posts of some members: "Quantität ist nicht gleich Qualität!". Translated: "Quantity is not equal to quality!" or "Quantity does not mean quality!". And as for MSFN, it seems no longer to be a technical forum but by definition a communication platform according to the administrators, as I unfortunately had to learn some months ago. A communication platform! Like the social media platforms! That is very regrettable. Cheers, AstroSkipper

Wait, for real? I never talked with him personally as far as I remember, but for the short year or two I've been on this site, I've seen him *everywhere*. I didn't even know anything was wrong. Definitely did a lot and I pray him and his family peace.

God rest his soul

I even had him help me with a few problems on here especially when I was a younger member on here he showed me how to do good on here and was a good friend

dancorsio will definitely be missed greatly on here but his legacy will live on as one of the greatest kindest moderator on here I hope hes r.i.p

Agreed. That has been a big nuisance of late. But I am also reminded of a year or so ago when we had "two" forum members that always liked each other's posts, no matter how "useful" or unuseful the posts actually were. It was rumored that the "two" forum members was actually only ONE PERSON "liking" their own posts just for the sake of that USELESS "reputation". To the point of even "yelling at" OTHER forum members for not "liking" their posts when this "person" liked any other forum member's posts. It's a "generation thing", I suspect. I have no interest in "social media" web sites but MOST of them all "thrive" on the "like" button and how many "followers" the user is able to "collect". So yes, unfortunate, but we have members here at this forum that carry that "Instagram", "Twitter", "Facebook", et cetera "look at me, I have 2000 followers" mentality herein and falsely think it "means something".

I am so sad. He was a great person. I knew him since my first days on MSFN, many, many years ago, and besides the public interactions on the board we had a lot of correspondence via PM's, both on computing and on a whole range of different topics, from cinema and TV to art and linguistics (he could read and understand very well Italian and I can understand a very little Portuguese, we had a common interest in Latin - as root of both languages - and we often exchanged opinions on these and many other things), I considered him a friend. I will greatly miss him and our exchanges. Besides his great work in helping and advising other people on technical matters, he was always polite and just (as a moderator), while often managing to keep a veil of humour in his posts. He told me about his illness, describing it as a "a quite mean cancer", from the tone of his latest messages he was fighting fiercely against it, and was hoping to defeat it only one month before, at the end of september. May he R.I.P. jaclaz

I found out here that there's a way to fix WU being stuck on checking on updates after installing SP2 for Office 2010 on Vista (and XP, well kinda, read at the end for more info). Note: This problem is unique to Windows XP and Vista, 7 and newer don't have this issue. First, install SP2 for Office 2010 if you don't have it installed yet (you should see it on WU already): For x86 (32-bit): SP2 for Office 2010 x86 For x64 (64-bit): SP2 for Office 2010 x64 If you now have SP2 installed or already had it installed beforehand: To fix the WU issue, you'll have to download and install these two updates for Office 2010 SP2 prior to checking for updates (Office 2010 SP2 must be installed already!): For x86 (32-bit): Security Update for Microsoft Word 2010 (KB4493218) 32-Bit Edition and Security Update for Microsoft Excel 2010 (KB3017810) 32-Bit Edition For x64 (64-bit): Security Update for Microsoft Word 2010 (KB4493218) 64-Bit Edition and Security Update for Microsoft Excel 2010 (KB3017810) 64-Bit Edition After installing the two updates, it's recommended to restart your computer. If you installed the two updates: Open Windows/Microsoft Update and check for updates, you should see updates for Office 2010 SP2 after waiting a while. Yay! You should now update Office 2010 to its final updates. But if you're on XP, read below (hint: it's not good news). This has been successfully tested on a Vista VM with Office 2010 SP2 installed. If you're doing this on XP, be aware that the newer updates for Office 2010 SP2 break the Office 2010 programs (Word, PowerPoint, etc.) on XP. Go here for more info Personally, on XP, I stick with Office 2007 because those newer Office 2010 updates break Office, as stated above.