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  1. Netscape Navigator update Upon end of support in early 2008, Netscape blogged: This included default install of an add-on promoting a Flock or Firefox download, pop-up nagware that opens when the browser has been running. It can be remedied by clicking 'Don't show again' on the pop-up or selecting Tools dropdown -> Add-ons -> Disable or Uninstall 'Netscape 9 Migrator 1.2'. A quick note was placed on the Netscape 9 post above. https://web.archive.org/web/20131014131031/http://blog.netscape.com/2008/01/28/netscape-browser-support-extended-to-march-1st/ The Book of Mozilla https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Book_of_Mozilla The RetroZilla startup splash screen depicts a green lizard-like creature standing on it's hind legs and breathing fire. In Windows 98 SE entering about:mozilla in to Internet Explorer 5 does indeed provide a blue screen (actually looks more purple to me). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Book_of_Mozilla#Internet_Explorer
  2. === Vanilla Windows 98 Web Browsing Summary === == Web Browsers == Windows 98 had many cool web browsers though most are now non-functional due to lack of support for HTTPS website connectivity. Fortunately several browsers have been updated with TLS 1.2 support (Transport Layer Security) allowing them to connect to almost all HTTPS sites - for now :) Note these old browsers do not display most web pages as intended, use work arounds outlined in the threads, and will not process JavaScript correctly even causing crashes, recommend disabling JavaScript. The list is sorted alphabetically, they are all quite functional. Links is the only browser listed that works in DOS. K-Meleon Forum member @roytam1's K-Meleon v1.5.4 fork. A nice, lean and configurable browser. Note not tested on a virgin vanilla Windows 98 install, should be okay though. https://msfn.org/board/topic/181726-k-meleon-tls-12-in-vanilla-windows-98-se Links for DOS A very functional graphic or text only web browser for DOS, configure as desired. Has been receiving periodic updates. Recently logged in to an HTML only Gmail account and successfully sent an email attachment - long live DOS. https://msfn.org/board/topic/181853-links-web-browser-community-edition-for-dos-with-tls-12 Netscape Navigator Netscape Navigator v9.0.0.6, based on Firefox 2. https://msfn.org/board/topic/177106-running-vanilla-windows-98-in-2020/page/33/?tab=comments#comment-1189098 RetroZilla based on Firefox Forum member @roytam1's RetroZilla browser based on Firefox 2, labelled 'Firefox Community Edition'. Note not tested on a virgin vanilla Windows 98 install, should be okay though. Forum member @siria provides the download link two posts up in the thread linked below. https://msfn.org/board/topic/181912-whos-still-using-win9x-on-the-web-besides-me/page/3/?tab=comments#comment-1188389 RetroZilla based on SeaMonkey The 'RetroZilla Community Edition' member project, which includes both @rn10950's and @roytam1's RetroZilla build information, based on old SeaMonkey v1.1.19. https://msfn.org/board/topic/181416-retrozilla-community-edition == Bonus == Windows 9x Web Helper (9xweb) A Bash script that runs from a COMMAND.COM window. Designed to improve internet accessibility, such as easy cache page access, custom Wayback Machine date search for old URLs, search and fetch YouTube video, etc. https://msfn.org/board/topic/181417-windows-9x-web-helper-9xweb
  3. Hi @FantasyAcquiesce. Everyone has a preference although the last time i tested with SMPlayer v0.6.7, SMPlayer startup time was 22 seconds vs 4 seconds for MPlayer standalone, huge performance improvement. IMHO once you memorize the relevant keyboard commands the GUI just slows things down and gets in the way. MPlayer standalone runs lean and adding the executable to the right-click 'Send To' context menu makes it easy to launch videos from Windows Explorer. https://msfn.org/board/topic/177106-running-vanilla-windows-98-in-2020/page/5/?tab=comments#comment-1173033
  4. == Netscape Navigator 9 == According to Wikipedia this browser is based on Firefox 2. It's last release, v9.0.0.6, was from February 20, 2008. Thank-you forum member @ZortMcGort11 for notifying about this browser. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netscape_9 Download Netscape Navigator v9.0.0.6 (netscape-navigator-9.0.0.6.exe, 5.8 MB, no JavaScript needed). http://ftp.vim.org/netscape/netscape9/en-US/9.0/windows/win32/ Download Netscape Navigator 9 NSS update (ns9-nss-update.7z, 923 KB, no JavaScript needed). http://www.geocities.ws/gcd/wn/ns9-nss-update.7z Install netscape-navigator-9.0.0.6.exe, default path C:\Program Files\Netscape\Navigator 9. First run creates a profile in C:\WINDOWS\Application Data\Netscape\Navigator\Profiles. Disable JavaScript and Java via Tools dropdown -> Options -> Content tab. Close browser and extract the contents of ns9-nss-update.7z into the Netscape Navigator installation directory, overwrite existing files when prompted. Restart Netscape Navigator and load the link below to confirm TLS v1.2 support. https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/viewMyClient.html Recommend disabling ciphers flagged as INSECURE by toggling them to 'false' via about:config, filter string rc4_128: security.ssl3.ecdh_ecdsa_rc4_128_sha security.ssl3.ecdh_rsa_rc4_128_sha security.ssl3.ecdhe_ecdsa_rc4_128_sha security.ssl3.ecdhe_rsa_rc4_128_sha security.ssl3.rsa_rc4_128_md5 security.ssl3.rsa_rc4_128_sha Notes: 7-Zip v9.20 was utilized for extracting the ns9-nss-update.7z file, direct downloaded link below. http://netcologne.dl.sourceforge.net/project/sevenzip/7-Zip/9.20/7z920.exe All downloads above are HTTP only so a fresh vanilla Windows 98 installation can use even Internet Explorer v5 to fetch all required items to get a TLS v1.2 compliant web browser. Netscape Navigator was tested on a vanilla Windows 98 system that is no longer virgin Firefox 2, although the above should work fine notify of any issues. In the Flock/Firefox upgrade pop-up nagware click 'Don't show again' or select Tools dropdown -> Add-ons -> Disable or Uninstall 'Netscape 9 Migrator 1.2'. View -> Page Style -> No Style often needs to be toggled to display web page content. Blast from the past, the built-in AOL and Yahoo search engines appear to work well!
  5. All the best with your hardware upgrades @Feamane, thank-you for your input. Will try to remember your Hordes of the Underdark feedback. Since my gaming to do list is loosely organized from oldest (DOS) to newest it will be a while before i get to Neverwinter Nights. By then will likely be using newer hardware, either my faster Windows 98 backup machine or better. The Baldur's Gate series always interested me but never purchased it. BioWare originated from my home province! Just finished two DOS games been meaning to play for 20 years (original Quake and Tomb Raider). Delayed gratificaton, pretty good though anti-climactic like most things, just games afterall. Recall the Tomb Raider demo years ago riding a snowmobile, query third release but don't want to go there, finishing the first game was good enough for me. Played too much Quake II back in the day, was never that good plus slow network connection. IMHO the world would be better without First Person Shooters but their development from creative minds was inevitable. Still tackling old DOS games, will finish U.S. Navy Fighters (USNF, half done) and MechWarrior 2: 31st Century Combat. Re-started MechWarrior 2 so many times over the years but never completely finished, what a great game. Temporarily breaking out of DOS and just re-installed Return To Castle Wolfenstein (supports Windows 9x/NT/2000/XP). Only played through partially years ago due to a drive crash. Even the installer music and images freak me out. Almost too immersive, can't imagine what the kids are now playing. Thank goodness for an internet full of gaming forums, hints/tips and walkthroughs. Still lots of DOS and Windows 9x information out there. Sometimes the most obscure information is needed just to get a game running. Never would have thought disabling Castle Woftenstein's openglv3.dll and openglv5.dll files would fix the game's failure to launch on this system. Works well now and looks very good for an older game. Aside from games recently stumbled on a blog post from a Microsoft developer, entitled 'Why does Windows 95 have functions called BEAR, BUNNY and PIGLET?', fun. https://devblogs.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20030818-00/?p=42873 DOS ain't dead is apt, there's still so much software out there. My only quip is lack of multi-tasking, generally okay as reboots are fast and many applications require a custom runtime environment anyway. Wish it had something like 'screen', a terminal multiplexer useful in a GNU/Linux TTY environment, or at least the ability to suspend and/or background tasks. Some DOS applications, such as web browsers, do have something similar built-in, whereby a user can exit the web browser to the DOS prompt, do DOS stuff, then exit the DOS prompt back to the web browser, so maybe it's sorta covered. Remember posting about the DOS 'date' command and being able to run it just to check the date, then just press empty Enter key when finished to avoid updating the date. Well this also works well with the 'time' command, very useful. My favourite PDF viewier, MUPDF was ported to DOS. It works well and requires loading CWSDPMI.EXE (DOS Protected Mode Interface) beforehand. Don't remember where it was downloaded from (mupdf10.apm, 3463 KB, extracted with 7-Zip). Don't think it was from FreeDOS, regardless they have lots of good stuff.
  6. Hi ZortMcGort11. Not yet fleshed out on your website, do you have download links for Netscape 9 and Netscape 9 NSS Update? TIA.
  7. Hi Deomsh. Not sure if this helps. In Unix-like environment an easy work-around is to declare variables containing spaces and double-quotes with a pair of single-quotes instead. It then doesn't matter how many spaces or double-quotes are embedded, provided there is only the single pair of single-quotes wrapping variable content. a='space " quote " "' echo $a space " quote " "
  8. Hi @siria, works well though my system is no longer Mozilla virgin, previous installs of SeaMonkey, Firefox and RetroZilla. The browser download link you provided identifies as Firefox Community Edition. The executable is 'firefox.exe' and is based on Firefox v2.0.0.2. In about:config 'general.useragent.extra.firefox' with value 'RetroZilla/2.0.0.2'. First run creates profile pathway C:\WINDOWS\Application Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles, although it also creates a blank C:\WINDOWS\Application Data\RetroZilla directory, query potential conflict with concurrent use of other RetroZillas. The ssllabs site confirms TLS v1.2. https://clienttest.ssllabs.com:8443/ssltest/viewMyClient.html Nice browser but only briefly tested. Since it's already branded Firefox Community Edition, maybe an appropriate member project title if someone wants to start this with extra content for add-ons, updated search engines, etc.
  9. Thanks siria, why didn't i think of that :( Downloaded via Links in DOS-land. Will test tomorrow, too busy tomb raiding with Lara Croft :)
  10. Noticed Links supports left-click and drag to highlight text then middle-click to paste content the GNU/Linux way, nice. So then it is easy to select for example View -> Save Clipboard to File or else File -> Goto URL for URLs that are not hyperlinked. It also has a nice right-click -> View Image to enlarge or fullscreen. Aside from a packet driver being slower the browser itself has been great to use. Occasionally quick reboot into Links during DOS gaming sessions to look up gaming information, such as walkthroughs. One item of concern not sure about, DOS firewall. As my internet modem sits on the desk i typically just switch it on/off as needed, no big.
  11. @siria: @Wunderbar98 just curious, if you have time, can you test roytam's RT-Firefox2+TLS1.2 in your vanilla system? :) https://o.rths.cf/gpc/files1.rt/rzbrowser-tls12-20180504.7z Unfortunately this link is down.
  12. Hi siria. Unfortunately we already trialed Firefox v3.6 in vanilla, it does not work requiring newer GDI32.DLL and KERNEL32.DL, confirmed with Dependency Walker. Due to nostalgia this may be the only 'newer' browser (aka non-vanilla) i would trial with a kernel extension, although seeing what Firefox morphed into is killing the nostalgia. https://msfn.org/board/topic/181726-k-meleon-tls-12-in-vanilla-windows-98-se/?tab=comments#comment-1185275 The K-Meleon v1.5.4 thread link i posted above has the necessary download links and information to get it running nicely. This includes installing @siria's StyleKILL macro, often essential for displaying all web page content. Agree Windows XP browsers are far more functional. Although these old Windows 98 browsers still connect to sites fine they are not functional for proper rendering and JavaScript processing. Using a site 'Captcha' will probably fail with vanilla Windows 98 browsers, as they need to run with JavaScript disabled to prevent crashes, not sure about kernel extension browsers. FYI you can log in to this forum by disabling JavaScript, which kills the Captcha, the only way i can log in from vanilla Windows 98 or DOS!
  13. Hi ZortMcGort11, responding to your query above. These browsers provide TLS v1.2 support and run very stable in vanilla Windows 98. The RetroZilla build used here needs minor extra configuration, outlined in the first post of the link. Personal preference is not to use kernel extensions, trading one old browser for another slightly newer but still old browser. These browsers load Wikipedia fine (with JavaScript disabled), although the site has become quite bloated over the years. RetroZilla v2.2. https://msfn.org/board/topic/181416-retrozilla-community-edition/#comments K-Meleon v1.5.4. https://msfn.org/board/topic/181726-k-meleon-tls-12-in-vanilla-windows-98-se/#comments Links for DOS v2.21. https://msfn.org/board/topic/181853-links-web-browser-community-edition-for-dos-with-tls-12/#comments ***** ZortMcGort11: (My system specs, by the way, are: Pentium III, 866 MHz CPU, 384 MB Ram, 32 Gig Hard drive) --- Ancient Crap, I know! You're running hardware similar to mine (800 MHz, 384 MB RAM, 32 MB graphics, 6 GB partition). I realize you are just being lighthearted but to me any hardware that still runs well after 20 years is exceptional actually, just dated. All my day to day computing, even banking, gets done on this hardware using dual-boot Windows 98 and lightweight GNU/Linux. Enjoy your retro computing :) Edit: RAM typo
  14. Still hard at it Deomsh, thanks for reporting your findings. Amazing a TLS v1.2 browser can be used in Windows 3.1 (1992 release) using an unheard of back-in-the-day graphic resolution.
  15. Hi stvpls, add my 2 cents, random suggestions, mostly routine maintenance, using Windows 98 here so some items may be different in Windows 95. Since you don't want to mess up the install, backup the entire partition first onto separate media. If you have a Windows 95 install CD and copies of favourite software then maybe a full partition backup isn't critical, aside from important personal files. Here a GNU/Linux liveCD is booted and second backup drive gets attached. A 2 GB partition backup would only take a few minutes from a Linux terminal using a command like 'sudo cp -axv /mnt/sda1/* /mnt/sdb1/backup_directory', sda1 is the Windows installation and sdb1 is the backup drive. There is likely lots of Windows backup software available too, not familiar with it. There could be a filesystem issue, run scandisk as already suggested. Personal preference is to launch it from a fresh DOS boot. If a suspect virus is filling the drive then you need to do more research to identify and fix the issue. If the system is compromised, IMHO best practice would be to reformat the drive and start fresh. A 2 GB drive is pretty small, attach a second hard drive or USB stick and offload some data. Ensure Recycle Bin is empty. Run Disk Cleanup (cleanmgr.exe). Run Add/Remove programs for anything obvious you don't want. The failed anti-virus install likely left installation files behind. If the anti-virus program is not listed in Add/Remove Programs then manually delete applicable program directories. Anti-virus is not used here, never had an issue last few years with Windows 98 online daily using Tiny Personal Firewall v2.0.14. Run Find -> Files or Folders (Windows-F keys), select C: drive and in Advanced tab 'All files and folders', Size is 'at least' '1024' KB -> Find Now. In results list toggle the 'size' column to sort biggest files first and review. There's lots of information available on the internet and lots of cleanup utility programs, you'll need to decide how best to proceed.
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