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  1. future is react os, wine or some kernelex, one core api... there is no "recycle bin" on earth to throw away all the computers manufactured between 2008-2016 (Windows 7, 8 compatible drivers) this forced programmed obsolescence doesn't have sense and more important: doesn't have a place in this world. Why MS want us to run a laggy OS which seems like it's running Android (UWP/Metro Apps can be considered another os running on top of the Win32 NT api) at the same time? What's a computer for these days ? what can't be done on 2008-2016 computers? If someone invents a small mini PCI-E GPU for a laptop, compatible with Windows 7 or 8 drivers, we will be able to stay with the best OS & GUI (after XP) forever... Every time I try it I remember how fast was w98 on that old hardware...
  2. second video has dwm enabled (aero theme) edit: and at the beginning of the first video (window resize) dwm is enabled too (aero theme visible too)
  3. Yes, slow GUI since Windows 7 WDDM, direct2d and directwrite. Anyway, Windows 8.0 runs really smooth compared to 7, 10 & 11
  4. In my opinion w10 & w11 can use resources and cpu better but the UI, DPI, WDDM, Pagination. Memory compression... make the user experience slower losing cpu cycles that's the reason the benchmarks are higher on w10&w11 but general usage and ui is slower. As always, the more new hardware you have the less you won't feel this. I really don't understand why w10 and w11 can't run file explorer (explorer.exe) and a common browser (chrome / firefox) without lag as in w7, w8 or w8.1. And the GUI.... I really don't like it... Windows XP and Windows 8 have the best gui, in terms of taking advantage of the screen. and also taskbar and caption buttons and fonts... of course can be tweaked as I have done in another post but one can't be productive with w10 & w11 taskbar. But I don't want to go offtopic. I try my tweaks with every new windows version and then I try opening programs, dragging new tab on chrome for example and it all has lag drawing... 2D and ui drawing it's slow even on high end hardware. It's not a personal opinion. Do you remember how did you feel installing Vista on hardware that runs XP? That's how I feel when I install Windows 10 or 11 on hardware that can run windows 8. This is 100% accurate description of how it feels. In my opinion they are currently inspired by Android and MacOS X (and bit a of Elementary Os maybe) offering all easy and pretty and its own app store. But I'm old school and also NEW is not better when something runs fine. It's all Programmed obsolescence, starting from 2008 hardware, all desktops and laptops with windows 8 / 8.1 can give a good computer usage experience: Word, Excel, Powerpoint, Youtube, Web, Emails... just put SSD on it... but we are all forced to upgrade.... non sense. blackwingcat proved that it is not necessary to have the last operating system to run new versions of MS Office for example. Same happens with One Core api... Of course it's not all bad, we have tons of gigabytes of ram nowadays and web is bigger than ever and resource usage is really high so they introduced memory compression and cache improvements that aren't present on w7,w8 and w8.1 but.... the lag is the lag. I can see both sides: the good and the bad of all this new Vista aka 10/11 oses... but I can't see nothing bad on w8 and w8.1 only benefits and no lag.
  5. Is there a fast way to integrate all Server 2012 updates into Windows 8.0 ? @WinClient5270 @Jody Thornton @NoelC @greenhillmaniac Windows 8.0 is the best NT6 Thank you all Edit: I mean without NTLite
  6. Ok ! Thank you all for your efforts with these acpi versions ! I love Windows XP, one of the best OSes
  7. @Mov AX, 0xDEAD Yes, I remember running w7 and w8 live usbs to test the acpi.sys mods Ok, I know it's about XP/2K3. Fastest OS until Windows 8.0 (which is the fastest NT6 OS & doesn't have any lag, no dpi problems, no memory compression, no video memory pagination the way it's happening on w10. But I don't want to go off-topic). @Damnation talked about w8.0 acpi.sys A5 error and immediately I thinked in my modded acpi.sys to run w8.0 on current hardware so I commented to say if the file can help to make the XP version the same way. here Is there any live USB based on XP Integral edition?
  8. @Mov AX, 0xDEAD I'm following this thread since the deleted topic about running XP on modern hardware on "the other forum", I don't know if it helps but I get 0xA5 on Windows 8.0 with default acpi.sys & Intel CPU from 2018, BUT running a modded version of Windows 8.0 acpi.sys, I can boot it. Since you're talking about w8,0 maybe this acpi.sys version can help you with the XP modded acpi version? Just tell me and I will send you the modded version I'm interested too on running XP on modern hardware: NVME + GPT + UEFI + ACPI mod This is also the latest available info about running XP on modern hardware: TXT (99 KB, English) - https://yadi.sk/d/JCLixO6xixweRg TXT (111KB, Russian) - https://yadi.sk/d/Xxq4IGOSOnVZqw
  9. MS (and computer era) isn't what it used to be. Windows is in a neverending "beta" stage or at least I feel it like that. Forcing users to upgrade without any option to have some control over updates can be considered a type of programmed obsolescence in some manner. isn't it? At least they tested the OS before the RTM version in the good old days, or it's what BG says here. Check 00:12:06 : the best thing that could happen will be to start a new Windows version from Windows 8.0, no dpi, no wddm 1.3 / 2.0 video memory pagination, no memory compression, no tons of background processes, no telemetry, no xaml, no metro, no cortana, no meltdown, no spectre... just the good old "click & run" like Windows XP Personal Computer isn't personal anymore. Who wants to buy a computer with this Webpage-alike-Windows running an infinite number of things in background wasting your time, your cpu, ram... just to do the same only difference it's all are shown with more colors here and there... wooow what easy is all... An era ended with w10 version 1511 10586. Any after this (even this) it's a beta OS with a strange & confused GUI. Just a personal opinion. w10/11 memory, cpu and resource management sure it's better but we want less. LESS IS MORE. Why can't we switch between WDDM versions ? or turn things like gpu memory pagination on or off ? why can't we switch DWM versions ? This will be a true advantage... not all these widgets and a new taskbar with less functionality with every new version... Just read this and tell me how do you feel: Windows 9x, 2000, XP, Vista, 7, 8.0. It all started here. The most incredible invention. The taskbar, the GUI, the ".exe", the control panel, the start button, the start menu... the way we loved:
  10. Will this patch make Windows ME compatible with DOSBOX ?
  11. @NotHereToPlayGames Reducing runtime memory in Windows 8 https://web.archive.org/web/20170918122254/https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/b8/2011/10/07/reducing-runtime-memory-in-windows-8/
  12. 8.1 is not a bad OS. But: - The UI lag we have and know in w10 right now, started with 8.1 why? Cause new DPI improvements, new Virtual GPU memory pagination and other new features were introduced with this OS with the introduction of WDDM 1.3. do you remember "Windows Blue" ? WDDM 1.2 ( Windows 8.0 ) it's the best WDDM version. You can try Windows 8,0 on all hardware (only requirement is WDDM drivers) and it will improve any Windows XP, Vista and 7 machine (all are good OSes, well.. vista sp2 I mean). You won't have this improvement when you install Windows 8.1 on the same old hardware. The more memory you use on Windows 8.1 the more you will notice how laggy the UI can be. Try it yourself. I have nothing against Windows 8.1, 7, XP or Vista. I tried them all, and I love XP. But after I tried w10 RTM, Windows 10 beta builds on modern hardware (less lag than RTM or 1511 or anything after >1607) and all other Windows 10 builds, as you can see in the following link, I can confirm Windows 8.0 makes a difference on every hardware I tried, it's the last Windows you can decently run on old WDDM compatible hardware and the fastest experience on modern hardware. Start button isn't relevant for me, why? You can run explorer.exe from Windows 7 on w8,0 and you'll have the start button and the start menu or you can install a million alternatives to get start button and menu working on w8.0. The really only interesting part it's the kernel, the virtual memory pagination, the memory management, the WDDM version 1.2 (you can also install some 8.1 gpu drivers on it) and of course the UI lag. In other words, for me Windows 8.0 it's the new Windows XP. All software work on 8.0, no incompatibilities. Just click and run like the good old school windows 9x and 2k and xp and 2k3. It's like Windows 7 but with native uefi support, dwm improvements, memory improvements and less lag than 8.1 or 10. Windows 8.0 it's more like 7. Windows 8.1 it's more like 10. Why? Cause 8.1 loves memory like 10. Anyway you can run Windows 10 1511 on some old hardware from 2008 era and you'll have a better experience playing browser videos, youtube... than you'll have on 7,8.0 or 8.1. it's not all bad, it has a really interesting process, memory and cpu management... but again the more memory you use the more lag you'll have on the UI cause it has WDDM 2.0. This never happens on w8.0 and when you have lot of memory used on 8.0, you can use standby memory cleaner and memreduct and all will be free in seconds like when Windows started. All this comment is based on years of experience. I use windows since 3.1, I spend tons of hours in 95, 98, ME, XP and 2k3. And considering the resources you need these days to run modern software, I get the best and fastest experience in Windows 8.0. both 8.0 and 8.1 are great OSes. but less is more and I can't find the simplicity of 8.0 on 8.1. modern windows 10 UI lag started with 8.1, this is why I love WDDM 1.2 and 8.0 I tried 8.1 and 8.0 on netbooks (atoms, celerons...), powerful desktops, i3, i5, i7, dedicated gpus, integrated gpus... and I always ended using 8.0 having the best experience. better than xp, vista and 7. you will end having the best of an era with windows 8.0: I mean the best of 9x, 2k, xp, 2k3, vista and 7. And of course, I really don't believe the GUI lag of these OSes >10 are caused by less powerful hardware. It's all about how the OS works. If you don't believe think how fast Windows 95 and 98 worked without tons of RAM and SSDs and resources here and there. Even Windows 2000 with the kernel extension shows us how all these modern windows versions are really laggy and feels like a beta OSes. Windows 10/11 it's now like a videogame you need to check first if you have all the minimum resources to play it. To run what or to do what? And all these Metro Apps running in background... it's like a webpage... lot of colours, animations... Click here to remember what a real OS it is. Or here Long live windows 8.0. The best. And why it's better than Windows 7 ? Long story short. Article about 8.0 wrote while MS was finishing the development of Windows 8 RTM release date: https://web.archive.org/web/20170918122254/https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/b8/2011/10/07/reducing-runtime-memory-in-windows-8/ Yes it's the ONLY windows version that needs less memory than it's predecessor.
  13. @Tonny52 Modern NET Framework 4.8 can be installed on 1507 and 1511. Not officially but there is a way. I don't know if I'm allowed to post the how to here, 1511 it's the fastest I tried since 10.0.10074 beta compared to all other w10 modern builds. 1507 aka 10240 aka LTSB 2015 is not bad, but WDDM 2.0 works better with less ui lag in this build. Anyway best and fastest Windows it's 8.0 x64 of course
  14. Windows 8.0 6.2.9200 is the best Windows with WDDM 1.2. I'm interested in this too since it's also possible to install Net Framework 4.8 on Server 2012 (same kernel as 8.0) and also PowerShell version 5.1
  15. @ABCDEFG May you please reupload the video? I'm interested too in this


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