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roytam1

My build of New Moon (temp. name) a.k.a. Pale Moon for XP

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don't know who "Matt Tobin" is  --  DON'T CARE WHO MATT TOBIN IS !!!

 

i feel that this thread should be about discussing issues, bug reports, and OPTIMIZATIONS for New Moon (and other "roytam" releases)...

 

ie, if an "issue" is presented and the poster is presented with "this is how roytam wants it, it's free, you should accept roytam's release as-is", then let's be honest, how is that any different from whoever this "Matt Tobin" guy saying the same exact thing, "this is the way that I want it, i don't care if it is native or not"  ???  ???  ???

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11 minutes ago, NM-Newbie said:

don't know who "Matt Tobin" is  --  DON'T CARE WHO MATT TOBIN IS !!!

 

i feel that this thread should be about discussing issues, bug reports, and OPTIMIZATIONS for New Moon (and other "roytam" releases)...

 

ie, if an "issue" is presented and the poster is presented with "this is how roytam wants it, it's free, you should accept roytam's release as-is", then let's be honest, how is that any different from whoever this "Matt Tobin" guy saying the same exact thing, "this is the way that I want it, i don't care if it is native or not"  ???  ???  ???

yeah there is a point. but why I posted it is that, that message will be in my next release notes, so I forespeak that I need to rewrite this message for my next BOC-uxp build's release notes (IF I can remember to do so)

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4 hours ago, NM-Newbie said:

don't know who "Matt Tobin" is

... Then get yourself educated! :angry:

4 hours ago, roytam1 said:

DON'T CARE WHO MATT TOBIN IS !!!

... and there's no need to "scream" with bold capitals :realmad::thumbdown

In fact, you should care who that person is: He's the "right hand", so to speak - no insult intended to left-handed people ;) , of Moonchild himself, an integral part of Moonchild Productions, the dev team behind the UXP platform and all the applications built on it: Pale Moon 28 [New Moon 28.x.xa1], Basilisk 52 [Serpent 52.9.0] and Matt A. Tobin's most recent offerings, Interlink [Mail News] and Borealis Navigator [BorealisXP]...

Matt A. Tobin contributes a lot of code to the UXP repo, all this code will end up virtually unchanged inside @roytam1's XP/Vista compatible forks... He's infamous for harbouring a strong aversion to Windows XP (and Windows Vista) and being generally extremely hostile to fans/users of these OSes; and make no mistake: he'll go the extra mile to make sure his code is NOT compatible with said OSes, making Roy's hard work even harder :(...

So yes, the subject of "Matt Tobin" is sort of relevant to this thread...

4 hours ago, NM-Newbie said:

"this is how roytam wants it, it's free, you should accept roytam's release as-is", then let's be honest, how is that any different from whoever this "Matt Tobin" guy saying the same exact thing, "this is the way that I want it, i don't care if it is native or not"  ???  ???  ???

It seems my previous detailed reply to you has fallen onto deaf ears (or shut eyes, to be precise...); Roytam's task is not to rewrite the Pale Moon code committed by the Moonchild Productions team to accommodate a specific user's personal needs, he has only reverted those bits of code that prevent it from compiling and successfully running on XP+Vista OSes, period...

Had you bothered to check my link to UPX PR #874, you would have noticed that Matt A. Tobin had nothing to do with the "tab-audio-indicator" code that you're implying and you feel strongly vexed about; this PR was submitted by @FranklinDM, another dev in their team...

We haven't yet witnessed in this thread other NM28 users complaining about the issue affecting your setup(s), so, as of now, it appears to be only manifesting itself on your systems; worse yet, you haven't produced a list of system specifics and detailed reproduction steps so as to facilitate troubleshooting of your issue... 

Moonchild code targets "recent" Oses (Win7+) and "recent" hardware (e.g. SSE2+ capable CPU), so if your system is under-resourced it would not run NM28 properly...

In closing, if "rebuild NM28 without the new feature" is what you actually want, then, again, I have provided the links for that:

1. Clone the UXP repo

2. Revert PR #874 commits

3. Apply latest UXP patch by Roytam1

4. Provided you have a suitable building environment set up (Win7SP1+ 64-bit with 12+GB RAM, Visual Studio 2015+,etc. ), build from modified source; I am certain that @roytam1 would be willing to guide you through, that is if his spare time permits him to...

So, no more moaning on your side, please... :huh:

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you are quite the expert at long-winded explanations that yeah, you caught me, i seldom have the time to read all the way through, lol

 

i'll just stick with the "last" 28.1.0 and consider "my" browsing needs do not need/require anything that 28.2.0+ has to offer  --  problem solved, we can both "move on" now  :worship:

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On 12/4/2018 at 5:19 AM, VistaLover said:
On 12/3/2018 at 10:26 PM, Tamris said:

can't upgrade to 28.3, since for whatever reason, it simply keeps crashing upon start.

Can't comment on this, as I still haven't upgraded to it (Vista Home Premium SP2 x86 here.) Will probably do so tomorrow and let you know how it went :rolleyes:.

... Well, the upgrade to the latest version of New Moon 28 [v28.3.0a1 (32-bit) (2018-11-30), buildID=20181130230404] on my Vista SP2 laptop was problem-free; here's a screengrab running a new/clean test profile:

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I then loaded my current (dirty) profile, no issues at all :thumbup I understand this might not be actually helpful for you :dubbio:, at least it proves it's not a generalised problem for Vista users... ;)

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7 hours ago, NM-Newbie said:

you are quite the expert at long-winded explanations...

You are disrespectful and rude.  Period.

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@VistaLover Thank you for checking that. I've upgraded just now to 28.3 and it seems to work fine, don't know what was causing the crashes earlier, but it seems to be gone now.

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18 hours ago, NM-Newbie said:

you are quite the expert at long-winded explanations that yeah, you caught me, i seldom have the time to read all the way through, lol

 

i'll just stick with the "last" 28.1.0 and consider "my" browsing needs do not need/require anything that 28.2.0+ has to offer  --  problem solved, we can both "move on" now  :worship:

Holy Crap!  VistaLover welcomed you and helped the best he could.  Sometimes, long-winded explanations are necessary so that all of the details can be examined and known about.  He wants to arm you with info.

**** IMPORTANT ****

As for all the rest of you that called me an anti-XP troll - Now do you see the difference?  I never told anyone they were long-winded, insulted them, or told them TL:DR.  Sure I disagreed, but I wasn't trying to poke bees nests.  I've refrained from my anti-XP "discussions" (which isn't cause for celebration - since it hinders open communication), but maybe next time, you'll remember what I just said. I'm still upset (not in a sucky way) that I was thought of as a troll, since I've also helped others on occasion.  No one should ever have tow a "company line" when it comes to an open forum.  But the disagreeable behaviour above is the type of thing that really should set you all off.

 

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19 hours ago, VistaLover said:

..Matt A. Tobin contributes a lot of code to the UXP repo, all this code will end up virtually unchanged inside @roytam1's XP/Vista compatible forks... He's infamous for harbouring a strong aversion to Windows XP (and Windows Vista) and being generally extremely hostile to fans/users of these OSes; and make no mistake: he'll go the extra mile to make sure his code is NOT compatible with said OSes, making Roy's hard work even harder :(...

So yes, the subject of "Matt Tobin" is sort of relevant to this thread...

@roytam1

Do you really think he actually goes to the trouble to absolutely ensure his apps won't run on XP or Vista?  I know his personality seems to suggest so.  But do you think his aversion is that intense?

Sure, we all know my present-day stance on XP, but I think it's amazing what Roytam1 has been able to get running

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1 hour ago, Jody Thornton said:

Do you really think he actually goes to the trouble to absolutely ensure his apps won't run on XP or Vista?  I know his personality seems to suggest so.  But do you think his aversion is that intense?

I'm far from sure about that. He sure wants us out of his forum, but I'm quite OK with that. I'd not like having him here either. But I doubt he'd go the extra lenght of actually inserting code to actually prevent his browsers from running on either Vista or XP. He's taken out code intended to enable that, because he sees it as bloat, of course. But adding code to forestall XP/Vista use would be adding bloat, which contradicts his slim-and-mean optimized code philosophy, IMO. Now, if people, like @Dibya, keeps on nagging him, that might change...

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On 11/29/2018 at 1:42 AM, roytam1 said:

a trial build is created. (it builds, it starts in XP, others are untested)

binary: https://o.rths.cf/mailnews-uxp/mailnews-20181129-6d703f2-uxp-b37e8f87c-xpmod.7z

source patch (excluding UXP): https://o.rths.cf/mailnews-uxp/interlink-src-xpmod-20181129.7z

Here is the latest one:
https://o.rths.cf/boc-uxp/mailnews.win32-20181201-9c5ff06-uxp-d7bb17571-xpmod.7z

Thanks again roytam1.  I'm going to test it now.

 

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found it!

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@mockingbird Thanks :), but it was already posted by roytam1 himself, last Saturday I believe ;):

On 12/1/2018 at 5:43 AM, roytam1 said:

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