Leaderboard

March the 4th now, is it? I'd like to think you'll have something to showcase by then. Otherwise, stop clogging up these information rich threads with vaporware. It's not right for those that utilize this platform for real, flesh and bone projects, nor to those checking back here to track how said projects are developing.

is ETA in the morning or in the afternoon? jaclaz

for me version 1709 is my favorite version of windows 10 (before the telemetry started)

Just a few seconds ago, I uploaded a fixed version of youtube-dl. (fix is not yet committed; got it from a test branch of the main developer) Yt-dlp was fixed earlier. See signature. Could you please test? Here on Windows Vista: [download] 3.5% of ~3.06GiB at 11.73MiB/s ETA 04:44

BTW, there is additionally the possibility to update MWAV - eScan Antivirus Toolkit offline. On their homepage, an weekly offline updater can be downloaded. To update offline an offline AV scanner is a bit funny, but in any case simply great. Here is the link: https://www.escanav.de/german/content/products/generic_eScan/escan_mailscan_weeklyupdates.asp Cheers, AstroSkipper

So your „Extended Kernel“ won‘t even be based on Windows 8.1 but rather on Windows 10‘s Technical Preview? All you would have to do is to debomb it and than you want to call it Windows 8.1 Extended Kernel? Doesn‘t seem right to me. You should rather focus on Build 9600, as I think most of the Windows 8.1 users wan‘t to stay on that version for a reason. Furthermore, is there any news about how to get Chromium 113 on 8.1 ?

Modus Operandi

I appreciate that, brother. For me, Windows XP was the finest hour for Microsoft in terms of designing a stable, reliable, fully-featured OS. I think 7 did regress from it in certain respects, but managed to improve upon it in other areas (such as out-of-the-box download speeds, and a far more powerful kernel). I think 7 got better over the years, and is now in all respects a worthy successor to the old, legendary XP. I'm not really on the 10 'hate train'--having used it quite a bit myself, I can appreciate the good things about it, and while it is by no means a flawless OS (actually, I think that it was an even more significant regression from 7 compared to 7 from XP, with less advantages outweighing the drawbacks), when you figure out how to deal with its various quirks it's actually not too bad. I find that to get decent performance in 10, you need a more modern dual-core or any triple/quad-core or better you can find. 7, on the other hand, can run fine even on a higher-clocked single core and flies with two or more cores. My advice to anyone who wants to be more future-proofed (because let's face it, eventually 7 is going to end up exactly where XP is now), and absolutely must be using Windows 10 at this point in time, is to choose an Enterprise release (LTSB or LTSC). These versions are a lot more stable, and while each seems to have its share of quirks and bugs, the overall experience is going to be much closer to the XP/7 days. Most of the fluff in 'regular' 10 has been removed, or can be easily turned off during the initial installation. The only updates these versions seem to get are security and stability-related, so your odds of an update ruining your OS and forcing you to do a reinstall are far less. I recommend LTSC 2019, which will get extended updates until January 2029...after that, IoT LTSC 2021 will get updates until January 2032. (Quick note if you burn to/install from disc media: LTSC 2019 will fit on a single-layer DVD & IoT 2021 needs a dual-layer).

True. But I actually prefer to disable GPU rendering on my mid-spec'd not-new but not-old Win10 systems. I often need to screen-cap via keyboard Print Screen and video frames will not screen-cap if GPU-rendered. I also don't notice any CPU/RAM "improvement" by offloading that task to the GPU. Often times it's even the opposite, better CPU and RAM utilization by not offloading to GPU. That may have been YouTube only, to be honest. But screen-cap is everywhere, you can't screen-cap if hardware "acceleration" is enabled. edit - at least none of my Win10 systems will screen-cap if HA is enabled

I administrate an older notebook which was originally delivered with Windows 7 Professional 64 Bit. After I had upgraded the hardware (SSD and RAM), I installed Windows 10 Professional independently and completely on a second partition. I use the boot manager BOOT-US to select the desired OS when starting the notebook. I can absolutely understand why Windows 7 is your favourite. I am already having a crisis when you can only log into your own operating system with an account. I don't like Windows 10 and up.

I'm trying to install Windows 2000 to an Acer Aspire E1-531, but ACPI does not work at all (even with blackwingcat's modded driver, it freezes at "Setup is starting Windows 2000", resulting in me having to press F5 and choose Standard PC). I've read that this is due to the InsydeH2O BIOS and Serial port settings (even though my laptop does not have said port). Unfortunately, mine doesn't have serial port settings (as again, I don't have said port), so I was wondering where I could find a modded BIOS that includes the option to disable/enable it. Thanks in advance for your help!

... It seems most evil Google have again patched this ; I now get: yt-dl -f 140-1 "p7FCgw_GlWc" => [youtube] p7FCgw_GlWc: Downloading webpage [youtube] Confirming age [youtube] p7FCgw_GlWc: Downloading API JSON [dashsegments] Total fragments: 1 [download] Destination: Kanye West - Famous-p7FCgw_GlWc.m4a [download] 7.7% of ~9.83MiB at 50.70KiB/s ETA 01:06 ERROR: Interrupted by user Terminate batch job (Y/N)? y ... Was fine earlier today, with a patched youtube-dl build of mine... yt-dlp is also affected now ... Had you been a fan of SNL's "Church Lady" in the mid-80s to 90s? Google are indeed "SATAN" (and are obviously keeping a keen eye on the yt-dlp/yt-dl repos) ...

Yeah, that's not normal I think. On my end, Prt Scr works even with fullscreen D3D (at least D3D8 and later) stuff, which is expected since MS tweaked their compositor and related stuff (https://devblogs.microsoft.com/directx/demystifying-full-screen-optimizations/). D3D8 was tried with d3d8.dll from an older Win10 build 17134 with "fullscreen maximized windowed mode" disabled - it takes tweaking internal variable inside the file, the one modified by exported function Direct3D8EnableMaximizedWindowedModeShim, the variable must be set to 0. It's interesting they deleted the code for the old behavior from D3D8...I think maximized windowed mode is just one part of the equation for making old stuff more compatible with compositor, historically, it caused massive performance degradation in DirectDraw based applications/games in Windows 8, which was fixed in Windows 10, but this mode may still show window borders of fullscreen games that don't tweak their window styles because it wasn't really expected to be done by devs, was supposed to be handled internally, so you could create normal window with borders and toggle between fullscreen and windowed mode via D3D and not worry about window styles - workings of fullscreen mode made them disappear anyway...until they came up with "fullscreen maximized windowed mode". But what we're seeing with more performant alt-tabbing and ability to PrtScr fullscreen stuff etc. - that's on their tweaks in other places it seems, not this "fullscreen maximized windowed mode" as exposed by ddraw.dll, d3d8.dll and maybe d3d9.dll. Though going from my memory, I think intro videos in GTA III era games don't work if it's forced-off for DirectDraw, so yeah, might be done just for compatibility. Easier to just have this mode always enabled rather than putting entries in the compatibility database only for games that need them, since that's a lot of work and needs feedback from customers, but only enterprise customers matter to MS and folks playing old games have community developed solutions for such issues. Anyway, regarding videos in the browser, they work quite well on my end in Firefox in software mode. Unknown if Chromium still has massive performance hit with videos in software mode. https://i.imgur.com/NGJJCM3.png (the screen on the right has graphics info indicating software mode is enabled - WebRender (Software)) But there's a bit of slowness in other aspects, immediately apparent with animations on web pages. It also seems Mozilla did some changes/fixes between Firefox 96 and 110 regarding notifications. Enabling alerts.useSystemBackend in about:config to use OS' notification system no longer causes notifications to just disappear after few seconds.

From what I understand, he means he will stop posting in this topic, look at his profile, it says "last visited 10 hours ago".

Completely agreed!

Google has entered trolling mode at 31 kB/s. I'd still rather watch a video the next day than view advertisements every 5 minutes with 100% CPU usage. The last version lasted several months, now a fix is needed already after a week.

Thanks for this great find @AstroSkipper. Works good in Windows 8.0

... "upstream" : youtube-dl (the original project); yt-dlp : "downstream" (the fork) ... For a fix from "upstream" , check this (and posted comments); WFM !

... "a strange game" in which "the only winning move is not to play." jaclaz

The installers are simply sfx which execute setup.cmd on extraction. You can look and see what they do. The method simply set the proxy on the client system. The proxy redirects the old URLs to the new ones and ship a very old wuident.cab so that WU won't selfupdate (the latest version blocks any non-Microsoft SSL)

Thank you for your opinion and thoughts! First of all, I have to mention that I am a die-hard Windows XP fan, and it is still my main operating system for more than 20 years. It has the most important things I need. Working with Windows XP always fills me with joy. I feel free, not monitored, not controlled and not incapacitated. But if I had to switch to another Windows OS, it would be Windows 7. I completely agree with you, Windows 7 was or is a worthy successor to Windows XP. As for Windows 10, I try to avoid using it whenever I can. In this OS, an administrator is no longer really the boss. Microsoft no longer considers users capable of making their own decisions. And all in the name of security. I don't feel free in this OS, but controlled, bullied and monitored, no matter what hacks and modifications have been made. That's one of the main reasons why I don't like Windows 10 and up. Greetings, AstroSkipper

@Antonino Only The Windows11.txt got a new line for windows dev explorer.

Lists of earlier versions of Windows to run modern apps:- 1. Windows 9.x - Kernel 9.x, to run Windows 2000, or Windows XP apps, or the apps compatible with versions of Windows, newer than Windows XP. 2. Windows 2000 - fcwin2k, by @blackwingcat, to run Windows XP apps, or newer than Windows XP. 3. Windows XP - OneCore API, by @Skulltrail, to run Windows Vista, or Windows 7 apps, or newer than Windows 7. 4. Windows Vista - Patched kernel files, by @win32, to run Windows 7 apps, or newer. 5. Windows 7 - VxKex, by @vxiiduu, to run Windows 8, or Windows 8.1 apps, or newer. 6. Windows 8, or Windows 8.1 - Based on Windows 10 build 9888, by me, to run apps compatible with Windows 10 or newer.

What's up everybody! My laptop still is repairing and it will take time Or longer! I have a phone which has a virtual machine and I installed Windows 10 build 9888 and which works fine. 😀 And I will modify and transform to Windows 8.1. Sorry for my busiest inconvenience everybody. But don't worry.

I'll tag @blackwingcat and see if he has a solution to getting Windows 2000 on InsydeH2O BIOS with ACPI.

Yeah, I saw that you wrote you recently shifted to Windows 7 on another topic, welcome to Windows 7, mate!

Exactly! Even the newest supported Chromium (109) is still going to work fine for a long time to come. Luckily Firefox is still supported, which is fantastic. There are many options for 7 at this moment, and while it may eventually end up where XP is at now, the future is much brighter right now for 7 users. (It's even brighter than that if you're on 10/11, but I'm staying with 7 for now because I prefer the old-school interface and the speed).

Or, maybe, they didn't (or don't at all) test it on these OSes yet. That's my guess.

Mozilla still supports Firefox on Windows 7 (they didn't announce an EoS date yet), that's why you can still use it on 7 until now.

... But they didn't bother updating the copyright dates ... https://www.escanav.de/german/index-new.asp => Copyright © 2020 MicroWorld Technologies Inc. - Anti-Virus und Content Security https://www.escanav.de/german/content/products/MWAV/escan_mwav.asp => Copyright © 2021 MicroWorld Technologies GmbH - Unternehmenssicherheit They do support Vista/WS2008, so ; I'm rather curious, though, why Win8.1/10/11 aren't mentioned/supported?

Checking back in, this time from 7 x64. At this point there's nowhere to go but forward from here, as much as I hate to say it. Unless I'm on a PC so old that I need to use XP for full driver support, I'm pretty much sold on 7 for the foreseeable future. Though in some ways it was a regression from XP, it managed to improve in many ways that are important to me. Download speeds out of the box are MUCH better, so there's no serious need to keep a download manager around unless you are dead set on getting every last kilobyte your router is capable of routing. The kernel is significantly better too...besides being able to run a much wider range of browsers (and having much more modern options available), browsers seem to be much snappier and perform a lot better. I've currently settled on Waterfox G3 (Firefox 78-based). It's very fast, still has the now-deprecated Flash support, and just seems to be a good 'base' browser to put on a 7 build...and of course you can still download and experiment with other browsers too. I figure that I can download and try a newer version of Firefox, or a modern Chromium build, if a site gives me trouble in Waterfox. It seems 7 is on the road to taking the torch from XP as the new 'superstar' of legacy OSes and I predict that there will be many, MANY browser options for 7 users as time goes on. In general, it's good to be able to look at your options and see what works best. It was impressive to see the Mini Browser working so well in XP, but the aging XP kernel is being pushed to its limits, and of course the performance of Chromium 87 in Win7, both x86 and x64, just blows it out of the water. The fact that Chromium 87 even works in XP is amazing in itself, so I wasn't expecting miracles performance-wise.

Specify the time in UTC so we can decide for ourselves, no matter where we are.

@joe92 Welcome to the MSFN forums ... It's the new UXP-killer "Googlism" I mentioned several pages back, the very reason all the discourse-based forums broke in UXP... The name of that "killer" is nullish coalescing assignment ... This operator was first implemented in Firefox 79 and Chromium 85; it's unknown if/when "upstream" can come up with an implementation in UXP, but what's certain by now is it's the "new" 2023 trend followed all the more by the well known "villain" sites (i.e. those that don't care in the slightest for "legacy" platforms and are eager to adopt the latest Google "shiny" ASAP ) ... BTW, "*.notion.site" and "*.notion.so" URLs are currently broken in UXP for that very same reason ...

WinNTSetup 5.3 - compiler updated to PureBasic 6.00 C-Backend - updated wimlib to version 1.13.6 - right-click on apply mode combo opens Tools\Compact\WimBootCompress.ini - fixed errors with native 4K drives - fixed VSS error not displayed - fixed Bootice Mod always starts in darkmode - fixed capture problem with OneDrive On-Demand files - fixed error message on FormatEx failures - fixed inaccessible devices were listed in drive combo boxes - fixed offline windows scan may not detect Windows 10/11 builds correctly - fixed internal VHD boot files option may create duplicate BCD entries - fixed auto format may not work if drive is in use - fixed loading ISO with relative path may create duplicates in source combo box - added commandline switch for VHD-CREATE -uuid:{UUID} (simular to VBoxManage internalcommands sethduuid) - added WinCopy option (copy Windows from one partition to another) - added WinCopy and WinCopy-CLI command line - added ReFS support for Windows 11 23H2 - added combobox script selection to diskpart window - added -diskpart command line switch to bring up diskpart window - added WIM_MSG_ERROR and WIMLIB_PROGRESS_MSG_HANDLE_ERROR Messagebox choice - added Remove OneDrive tweak - added DISM feature enable/disable and APPX removal - added possability to disable SFX detection with file: "nosfx" next to WinNTSetup_x64.exe - new right-click on tweaks button to quickly disable all tweaks - changed wimlib is the default compression engine - changed Unattend: Win7-11-Select.xml disables 42 days password expire - changed rearrage folder layout - MinWin: support inline comments (//) - MinWin: grant full admin access to files - MinWin: fixed VCRuntime 2008 installer needs sxsstore.dll and config\TxR - MinWin: fixed diskpart shrink needs defragproxy.dll - RegImport: added support for [?HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\...] (only processed if key exists) - workaround windows 7 Dism /add-driver bug 30 (AMD, NVIDIA drivers with LZSS compression) - workaround EFI NTFS driver bug

All the best wishes @roytam1 also from my side. Let me take this oportunity to say hello to this forum and a big Thank You!, including also @VistaLover, @NotHereToPlayGames, @IXOYE and the many others for their valuable help and contributions here! Having been lurking here for some years, now there have accumulated a couple of questions an small issues i'd like to discuss: 1) After Palemoon 25.8 i started using Roytam's Serpent-55.0, later used Serpent-52.9 (with it's slightly more recent codebasis) parallel, for different websites for about two years. Now i wonder, if there's a qualified possibility to merge the S-55.0 bookmarks into the bookmarks of S-52.9. 2) I have a triple boot system with XP, Win7 (and a modern Linux partition) to boot in. All my roytam's browser installations are kindof ,portable' which implicates that i can launch (for example) the Serpent-52.9 (32 bit) from the XP-partition, in Windows 7. Now, [having added the CTR to all UXP browsers to protect my sense of esthetics ] the result of starting S-52.9 from the XP-partition (with that XP- .\Profile) under Win7 is, that the menu-bar is missing! But, when i simply COPY the SAME S-52.9 folder from the XP to the Win7 partition and now start Serpent in Win7 (,locally'), the menubar comes up as expected. Isn't that funny? 3) I have the Status-bar activated in both, Serpent 52.9 and 55.0 in which is located the downlod status icon (bold arrow down) at the right corner. In S-55.0 that button works perfectly: it shows an active DL by color, it's possible to open the dl-window by clicking ont it, hovering above it shows some dl-information, and it indicates the completion of a DL with a nice animation. In S-52.9 in contrary, that button does nothing of these at all. 4) At th beginning of this year my both main mail-providers changed authentification and security mechhanisms so i was forced to leave my beloved and familiar Thunderbird 2.0. behind, but later very lucky to find roytam's Mailnews version as a dignified successor. Everything is familiar and works as expected... Many thanks again for providing it! Jast a small ,issue' for me: those ,ancient' thunderbirds had a nice feature: the rows of the main message-list had alternating colors (white and a light grey). That's gone unfortunately in mailnews. The solution, to put a userChrome.css with #threadTree treechildren::-moz-tree-row(odd) { -moz-appearance: none !important; background-color: rgb(232,232,232) !important; } in the profile path (as described here) didn't work for mailnews... Edit: just found a picture of alternating color: http://blog.officefirst.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/1057948436-3.png All kinds of help and hints for the 4 cases are very appreciated. Many thanks!

This is now added to the Readme: This version is built with Python 3.8, EOL: 2024-10

Pushed a release (only yt-dlp) with the latest fixes from upstream. Download speed should be back to normal now.

FYI, YouTube changed something... Downloads are now very slow. See: https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp/issues/6369 Lets hope it can be fixed. [Edit] Format 22 (mp4; 1280x720) is not affected, e.g: yt-dlp -f 22 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppojLHm-Z1I [download] 100% of 103.60MiB in 00:00:08 at 11.51MiB/s

Your experience may differ, though. But it's good that you are open to trying all different builds of Windows 10 to experiment. I really liked Windows 10 beginning 1903, because of the light/dark mode (though, I still prefer the old mode Windows 10 version 1809 (and older) had, which is: dark Windows mode, and light apps mode, and it's possible to keep it like that in 1903 and later, thankfully), and the feature to change the cursor size and color.

By any chance, you aren't under the influence of chemical substances, are you ?

What exactly are you working on? Is this to be similar project to KernelEx for Windows 98? So far, I've seen you focused on at least 3 different versions of Windows. Do you have a demo or screenshots of something you can show some sort of progress that you're making? I think you'd be apt to get a lot more people onboard to help you if you showed what you're working on, that it does work to an extent, and that you're not just stringing them along.

Empty promises again ? I'm timing you. If by that time you don't release it, I'll report you to the imperial guards.

That is true! Compared to 10, it would definitely be a baby, but I can imagine many 11 users are happy with it by this point. I'm just a bit reluctant to make the jump, not just because my PC falls a little bit short of the requirements but because it isn't very mature yet. I recall that Windows 10, over the first few years, still had its fair share of random crashes and major bugs. By the time LTSC 2019 came out a lot of that had been ironed out, and though there are still some strange quirks and minor bugs it's a great and stable OS all the way around. With my '20 versions' rule (I'm still on Chromium 90--the latest is 110), I could still be quite comfortably on Windows 7, but 10 is more future proof (and LTSC brings it very close to 7, by allowing you to disable most 'extras' in the initial install and with all future updates being strictly security-based; its performance is also a bit closer to 7 than 'regular' 10, at least in my experiences). By the time I have to even think about moving to 11, it'll probably be even more stable than 10 is now!

Windows 11 has been released on October 5, 2021 (officially October 4), though.

Guys, my try to port it failed (in theory, resolved dependiences, but browser still not worked). But on @win32 modified DWrite.dll from W10 1809 and these api-ms files, build 5535 of Chromium and Opera 97 Dev based on 5532 works fine. Thank you so much! I will try newer builds

I had to build my own api-ms-win-core-delayload-l1-1-0.dll and api-ms-win-core-delayload-l1-1-1.dll. I also had to make a patch to prevent it from continuously polling a non-existent ALPC port. I may also have to write a bcp47mm.dll to go along with it, because the DLL isn't working for much other than Chromium due to a null function pointer somewhere. The breakage point is between 5547 and 5555 as a result.

Actually, unrelated to what we've been discussing here... The multiple [1888] WARNING: file already exists but should not: C:\DOCUME~1\nico\LOCALS~1\Temp\_MEI18882\Cryptodome\* warnings are a manifestation of a very recent bug, which I have reported here (possibly related to the new "ways" PyCryptodome[x] is imported at yt-dlp's runtime and, thus, the "new" ways the module is being packed by PyInstaller) ... Even your very own compiles are being affected by that bug: https://github.com/nicolaasjan/yt-dlp/releases/download/2023.02.09.051430/yt-dlp_x86.exe https://github.com/nicolaasjan/yt-dlp/releases/download/2023.02.11.092312/yt-dlp_x86.exe (One needs Vista SP2+ [32 and/or 64-bit] to test these). The bug may be exclusive to the GitHub Actions compiled builds, because the ones I prepare myself locally (with CPython 3.7.16), as well as your "manual" build "yt-dlp_x86_Windows-XP.zip", do not exhibit this bug ... Sometimes I wish the yt-dlp devs left the code "at peace" for awhile, in a good-working-state... "Shouldn't fix what isn't broken" comes to mind... But what do I know (except for stumbling on bugs ) ?

Youtube-dl is not released (by me) on GitHub. Yt-dlp is here (forked the official repo and publish in-between builds. Then manually upload my compiled XP compatible one) : https://github.com/nicolaasjan/yt-dlp/releases Click on "Show all 19 assets" and you'll see "yt-dlp_x86_Windows-XP.zip". In the New Moon browser you need the extension "Palefill Web Technologies Polyfill" (palefill-1.26.xpi) to navigate GitHub.