My Browser Builds (Part 2)

[XPerceniol]

Thanks for letting us know, roy, hope all is well..:)

[VistaLover]

13 hours ago, Dave-H said:

It's my ancient ATI graphics card that doesn't support WebGL in Firefox.

https://caniuse.com/webgl

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WebGL support is dependent on GPU support and may not be available on older devices. This is due to the additional requirement for users to have up to date video drivers

https://www.khronos.org/webgl/wiki/BlacklistsAndWhitelists

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Firefox on Windows

For WebGL in Firefox on Windows, Windows XP or newer is required. The following minimal driver versions are required:
either NVIDIA >= 257.21,
or ATI/AMD >= 10.6,
or Intel driver versions from September 2010 or newer.

If your GPU driver is blacklisted, you may try to force-enable webgl in the browser by toggling
webgl.force-enabled;false and restarting the browser (depending on actual GPU, this may work or not, worst case scenario: the browser crashes upon launch - you'd have to restore that pref back to false by editing the prefs.js file in your profile...).

13 hours ago, Dave-H said:

I do wonder why that Cloudflare test site is still using WebGL if it's obsolete.

It is needed by the mapbox API they're employing for displaying "Server Location"; as for actual deprecation, the Wikipedia entry for it is unclear about this; .. If you mean WebGL 1.0, well yes, this has been superseded by WebGL 2.0, but the latter is still being maintained, I think: 

https://www.khronos.org/news/tags/tag/webgl

But then again, I'm not a gamer myself, so perhaps within the context of video games, the WebGL technology has been surpassed by newer APIs... That doesn't mean it's dead for simpler graphics tasks within a browser,,,

Edited December 18, 2020 by VistaLover

[grey_rat]

15 hours ago, VistaLover said:

But then again, I'm not a gamer myself, so perhaps within the context of video games, the WebGL technology has been surpassed by newer APIs... That doesn't mean it's dead for simpler graphics tasks within a browser,,,

Webgl on FX5100 - 5900, Radeon 9500 - x1250 webgl.force-enabled - true, webgl.disable-angle - true

Intel Gma 910 - gma x3000 , Firefox 43.0.4 webgl.force-enabled - true

Youtube and WebGL

 

 

Edited December 18, 2020 by grey_rat

[Dave-H]

My ATI Catalyst driver version is 10.2, which is probably the issue.
Apparently 10.6 is the minimum required for WebGL.
10.2 is the last for my card that works on XP.

[VistaLover]

2 minutes ago, Dave-H said:

My ATI Catalyst driver version is 10.2, which is probably the issue.
Apparently 10.6 is the minimum required for WebGL.
10.2 is the last for my card that works on XP.

Have you tried to force-enable WebGL in your ATI card 
(webgl.force-enabled => true, restart Firefox) ?

Does the "Server Location" map display then... ? 

[DanR20]

14 minutes ago, Dave-H said:

My ATI Catalyst driver version is 10.2, which is probably the issue.
Apparently 10.6 is the minimum required for WebGL.
10.2 is the last for my card that works on XP.

You might want to try looking into installing one of blackwingcat's newer, modified versions:

http://blog.livedoor.jp/blackwingcat/archives/571484.html

On Windows 2000 I've got the 2010/6/19 Version 10.6a(AGP+HDMI) and webgl works. That may install for you but it might be a good idea to ask blackwingcat first:

https://msfn.org/board/topic/149233-kernelex-for-win2000/?page=99

 

[Dave-H]

OK, I will investigate all that, and thanks, but this is really off-topic in this thread!

[grey_rat]

There are several versions WebGL for XP. Browser versions of WebGL can be updated. If roytam1 updated versions of WebGL in his browsers to the latest, native WebGL may not work on old video cards.

"ANGLE" (DirectX 9.0c + OpenGL ES 2.0) - GF6100+ , ATI x1300+ , GMA x3000.

"Native" (OpenGL ES 2.0) webgl.disable-angle - true  - FX5100+ ,  Radeon 9500+

"WebGL2 native" (OpenGL 3.0)- webgl.disable-angle - true - GF210+ , (ATI HD2400+ ?, Intel HD 2000+ ?)

OpenGL and Webgl on Radeon 9550 in KM76.2.1, Driver 10.2

 

Edited December 19, 2020 by grey_rat

[UCyborg]

On 12/10/2020 at 12:30 PM, UCyborg said:

On 12/10/2020 at 10:44 AM, j7n said:

I do notice sluggish performance of the NM28 browser after a longer session, as if some tabs are still open in the background, consuming memory and CPU time.

Old bugs inherited from the old Firefox codebase that appear to have been fixed in later official Firefox releases.

Not so sure about that anymore after a bit more testing. The whole multi-process thing just makes it easier to reclaim memory since you can just terminate the process without having to deallocate explicitly allocated memory.

I think browser devs in general should slow down a bit and go back to basics.

[Dave-H]

14 hours ago, VistaLover said:

Have you tried to force-enable WebGL in your ATI card 
(webgl.force-enabled => true, restart Firefox) ?

Does the "Server Location" map display then... ? 

No it doesn't, even with that setting enabled.

I'm not going to worry about it as I have dual graphics cards and I can always use the other one if I need WebGL support on a site in XP.
Frankly as I have a multi-boot machine, it would be easier just to go into Windows 10 which has to use the newer card anyway!

[NotHereToPlayGames]

@roytam1

Fingers crossed that YOU can fix this as opposed to an "upstream finger-point".

In BNavigator (32-bit), the browser's right-click context menu gets in the way of the website's right-click context menu.

Three examples are --

    1)  Google Sheets (any spreadsheet)

    2)  Google Docs (any document)

    3)  https://www.jqueryscript.net/demo/Simple-jQuery-Right-Click-Context-Menu-Plugin/demo/

Edited December 20, 2020 by ArcticFoxie

[roytam1]

3 hours ago, ArcticFoxie said:

In BNavigator (32-bit), the browser's right-click context menu gets in the way of the website's right-click context menu.

unable to reproduce here. do you have "Disable or replace context menu" unchecked in Preferences -> Networking & Security -> Scripts & Plugins ?

[Guest]

On 12/10/2020 at 10:44 AM, j7n said:

I do notice sluggish performance of the NM28 browser after a longer session, as if some tabs are still open in the background, consuming memory and CPU time. What sort of plugins is the "plugin container" supposed to handle? Flash is almost never used anymore, and the other plugin I have is PDF-Xchange, which also almost never open.

Try this extension developed by Just Off:

https://github.com/JustOff/lull-the-tabs/

[NotHereToPlayGames]

3 hours ago, roytam1 said:

unable to reproduce here. do you have "Disable or replace context menu" unchecked in Preferences -> Networking & Security -> Scripts & Plugins ?

Bingo, that was it, thanks.

It was unchecked but I now have that option checked.

[we3fan]

Hi guys, I was just curious, does Good Old Youtube 1.16.0 still work for you on XP?