Jody Thornton

I have noticed, for whatever it may be worth, that WSUS Offline Downloader has dispensed with any inclusion of updates for Windows NT 6.2, as of v10.4. So neither Windows 8 no Server 2012 has been included. How do they expect downloading of Server 2012 patches? Patch Tuesday is tomorrow, so I'll keep you posted.

Speaking of months of trouble free run time, always wondered (even back in the Windows 2000 Server days) how other admins planned to employ patches and updates. I always waited for a weekend to perform the installations and restarts, but what was common for other sys admins to do?

Are there any screenshots with Windows 10 in Classic Mode? Just curious if it were at all possible.

What do you need to customize in Server 2012? I remember with Server 2003, I had to enable Media Player and Internet connectivity if I wanted to even browse.. I adjusted RAM for programs vs cache. Does it come with the main Windows 8 desktop, or is it like "Classic"?

I'll certainly let you know what happens.

I believe you! Who or what, then, accounts for these unwelcome changes? Another thing to note is, if XUL and XPCOM were to be removed, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and ChatZilla would instantly be killed. The only way to save them would to be to rewrite the entire thing, and that will be a lot of work for the limited set of developers on each of these applications. (I contribute to SeaMonkey, and we have been discussing this on IRC over the past few months) By the way, when will an x64 official build of Seamonkey be in the works? The ability to run on Vista and XP x64 edition would be nice.

Here are my themes that I used on Windows XP x64 Edition. I'm not sure if all of the wallpapers or icons are there, but the visual styles are. https://www.dropbox.com/s/z02xmt6ngt70cng/Theme%20Backups.7z?dl=0

What about Windows Mail?

Kinda like these too: http://www.deviantart.com/art/Royale-2006-Final-26055364 http://www.deviantart.com/art/Windows-Royale-183605865 http://www.deviantart.com/art/Windows-7-SP1-Normal-Taskbar-147247940 http://www.deviantart.com/art/Aero-Ultimate-141818893 http://www.deviantart.com/art/Royal-Five-Color-Mod-8908279

As in Visual Styles? I used a slightly modified version of Royale Noir (with an orb and small Trubechet MS font in the title bars). For wall paper, I used the wallpaper from a Corona theme. Here's the wallpaper.

Sophy Since Microsoft will be supporting Vista for at least another year, I don't comprehend Google's reasoning for dropping support this early. Well third party developers do not need to adhere to Microsoft support timelines. Recent builds of Adobe Photshop do not support Vista x64. And Google was only allowing the non-Aero build to run on Vista for the last while anyway.

Well in about a week and a half, Patch Tuesday arrives sans any updates for Windows 8 (as support ran out for the OS on the 12th of January). So after running System Restore, I will be running WSUS Offline and downloading February's updates for Server 2012. I'll check the bulletins for each patch and see which of the patches do not relate to server-specific code, and attempt running those. If my system updates successfully, great. I have unofficial support. If not and my system barfs, then I'll return to the last restore point. Then I'll decide if I stay with Windows 8, or go back to Windows Vista for another year (after all, my taxes will be done and I won't need any newer OS for another year.) I'll keep you posted on what happens. I may need to patch/edit the update.inf file somehow, but I'm not sure yet. This will be the first time that a Windows NT 6x based OS runs out of support, to try this experiment, so I'm eager to see what happens. Here's Greenhillmaniacs Repository of Server 2012 Patches that are Suitable for Windows 8 https://mega.nz/#F!ExhDEbDA!pUhzXKVp5-hgzvylW_btfQ

That post removal was the last straw, I had to register and say something. I did try to reply after the post disappeared. Mine has also disappeared or was never approved, one or the other. If nothing else, here is the best quote from that post, preserved for posterity. It sums up the whole issue of XP compatibility in PM up from beginning to end, from dropping support in the main code line to the POSReady block: "...have gone from really liking PaleMoon to simply hating it less than all of the other options..." well said, whoever you were! Darn, I wish you had the rest of his post, and yours ... lol. Oh well. I really liked his, and I never got to read yours.

You saw that too. I wanted to reply to the guy. However, Moonchild has reversed his decision. https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=10829&start=40

It works - Whew! I was sure it would, but still.

Well I run the original Windows 8 and that's no longer supported. I wonder if I should upgrade ???

The reason it was suggested NOT to recommend Server 2008 (original release) was that the OP didn't want to spend enormous amounts on an upgraded OS. Well Server 2008 is expensive, no? Actually is the original build even available?

Here it is: http://filehippo.com/download_security_essentials_vista/51103/

If you go find the MSE version for Windows Vista (version 4.4.304.0). That one will install on Windows Server 2003. Filehippo should still have it

Yeppers, I used the MSE x64 build for Vista/7 and that worked with Windows XP x64 Edition. Don't forget to visit 5eraph's updates site for a cohesive method of downloading updates after April 2014 up to July 2015. I think he has it integrated into one pack, but failing that, you can use these updates: http://wp.xin.at/xp-x64-post-mortem-updates

So if I have this right Jaclaz, if I'm not on a Windows NT domain, I would be completely unaffected, is that right (or am I misreading it).

OK first off I probably pulled a stupid. I have the Windows Mail client from Vista running on Windows 8. One thing I really noticed is how fast the send/receive dialog flipped by when I engaged it. Recently though, there was an authentication issue on Zoho's end (Zoho is my mail provider). Thinking it was something on my end, I attempted recreating the accounts, compacting the database, and even running CCleaner. Now the Zoho issue is resolved but I notice that the send/receive process is noticeably slower. It appears that messages are about to come down, even when there are none. The progress bar goes across regardless, whereas before, it was lightning fast, even when messages were downloaded. I have deleted the WinMail program folder, reinstated it, reregistered the app to work with Windows 8 mail defaults, and recreated my accounts, but it's still a tad slower (not obtrusively but enough to know it's not like before) Any takers? One thing I can think of having done that may have added to the situation was be removing Internet Explorer 10. I not only disabled it from Add/Remove Features, but I also removed the payload on disk with the DISM command. So the IE program folders have some of the rendering stuff still installed, but the browser itself is gone. (I have since attempted reinstalling Internet Explorer 10 with the updates, but no improvement there.)

OK. It was to be more or less plagurized from the Windows 8 Forum that Brink runs, but I'll look and see if there's something duplicated first. Thanks Noel.

Thank you MUCHLY!

Just an update if anyone had a similar issue. I'm pretty sure I experienced those symptoms because my VS was built while I was running it on Windows 8.1 in a VM. And now I'm using it in Windows 8. It works with Taskbar Tweaker though in every other respect.