Jody Thornton

Here's what I would like to find out though. On Windows 8.1, what is the current Defender build? I have v4.8 on Windows 8 (original), but I wondered if Windows Defender was upgraded to v4.9 (similarly to MSE). I found it surprisingly hard to find out this info on the interwebs ... lol

Going off topic is just human nature. I started a thread to track installation of Windows 2012 updates on Windows 8, and it has been derailed something awful. But that's OK ...lol. This thread just got me to thinking how far back I could go if I wanted to, that's all. People should just skip thread they don't want to read ...lol

If I think about all of the software that I use, and ponder how old of a Windows version I could go back to using (now that I'm accustomed to x64 builds, I would NEVER go back to x86 environments) ... well let's take a look: I browse with Pale Moon 26 x64 so I could go back to Vista. There is no longer any x64 Gecko compatible solution for Windows XP x64 Edition. I could use Pale Moon Atom Edition I suppose. I use Softmaker Office 2010, which is compatible with 2007+ documents and even has a PDF writer. I can go back to XP with this one. I use Windows Mail as a client, but I could always use emClient v5 instead for my calendar/mail needs if I wanted to go back to XP. I really liked Outlook 2003, but I'd fear using it now that support has passed. But then again, so has XP's ...lol Sumatra PDF is a great Adobe Reader substitute. I haven't used Adobe Reader in some years now. It works with XP x64 Edition. Media Player Classic x64 can be used all the way back to XP. Adobe Audition can too. I really miss Windows XP x64 Edition. It was the perfect OS on my HP xw8200 workstation. Vista was good on it too, but Windows 8 is a tad faster. I guess if I could sacrifice 64-buit browsing, I could go back to XP.

As far keeping system semi-private, that's why I'm stopping at Windows 8 original/classic. It supports everything I need, I can still source security updates for it (at least I hope I can until January 2023) and there's no telemetry/GWX crap to deal with. Even if I get a newer workstation that's NX compatible, I won't bother moving to Windows 8.1. I use Puppy Linux on my old Centrino M notebook as a lightweight Internet terminal (I have Seamonkey on it). I've tried some other Linux builds, but I think that since the X Windowing system consists of a client/server component that work interactively, I find windows tend to draw or process in a way that seems less responsive. At least that seems to be the reason for the dodgy performance.

I'm seeking out a way to edit my signature. I don't see it in my profile anywhere.

So I guess nothing on this topic, eh? I was really hoping someone might know something. I suppose when I get a new notebook PC and put Windows on it, I can just access a calenedar file over a network share.

Also I noticed it looks like an MSFN "Metro" forum ...lol. New upgrades I take it.

At one point, I wanted to leave about two years ago, because I had some disagreements with some of the core members. But I learned you get these issues on all forums, and it's not worth it to harbour bad feelings. I really like the sense of collaboration and assistance on this forum. Lots of good advice here. So I'm glad I stayed.

No I do not. I do not even have a maintenance partition on my hard disk - only Windows 8. By the way, KB3135989 successfully installs.

OK, you are officially the man - thank you for finding that. I wonder if it was posted late perhaps. Now when you ask, "Do I have more than an OS installed?", yes, I have applications too, but what did you precisely mean?

Anyway here are the security updates that were installed from Server 2012, onto Windows 8: KB3137513, KB3138910, KB3139852, KB3139914, KB3139940, KB3140735, KB3139929 (for IE 10), KB3135984 (for .NET v3.5), KB3135997 (for .NET v4.6x) and KB3135995 (for .NET v4.52) Apparently KB3138962 is deemed as not applicable for my OS. It is available for other consumer versions of Windows, so perhaps it requires patching to allow the update to install on Windows 8. And I am still unable to find KB3135989 for .NET v3.5. I'll keep readers posted.

I posted this over at eightforums.com. The thread I created there has had NO fanfare whatsoever: Well Patch Tuesday is here again, and as a Windows 8 user (yes the original version), I'm happy to say that I was able to amass the updates for March 2016 from Server 2012, and use them to patch Windows 8 for a second month in a row. I have to say, especially given that this IS a Windows 8 Forum, I'm surprised that there is no interest in this whatsoever. You'd think that there are fans of Windows 8 that would be thrilled that there is a source for updates. What gives?

Well it seems mostly a success. Now one of the updates, KB3138962, was said not to be compatible with my system, and as aforementioned, I am unable to track down KB3135989 (for .NET v3.5. But the other six regular security patches for 2012, the IE10 updates, and the three .NET patches all installed.

And now here's Patch Tuesday. I was not able to obtain update KB3135989 for some reason (it just links to a default Windows Download Centre page .... hmmmm.) The patch relates to .NET Framework v3.5 on Server 2012 Otherwise, there are three other .NET updates, seven regular system updates, and a single update for IE10. Installing now ...

While I would love to see this happen I highly doubt it would even be given any serious consideration. We just had a battle with the PaleMoon developers over the ins-and-outs of Windows XP support, which they have all but threatened to drop (again) if too many people using a "hack" they disapprove of try to get support. Also I read a post over at their forum once by someone who wanted to run PaleMoon on 2K, and he was given the standard Microsoft-esque response (old, outdated, insecure, bla, bla, bla). I can only imagine the rubbish that would be said about supporting 9x. I think things maybe changed since then. The Atom build runs under XP too. Here's a reply: The [highlight]rebel force[/highlight] is here dude: Go to grab the Atom flavor that is the official version for Windows XP now. :mrgreen: http://www.palemoon.org/palemoon-atom.shtml They also replied about it and seem positive about 3rd party builds. But they are going to the C++11 route. Is possible to build C++11 for Win95/98? https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?p=76562#p76562 Uh, if you noticed, that thread was locked immediately afterwards. Moonchild and Matt Tobin are DEFINITELY NOT interested in tailoring apps to older out-of-support systems. Mind you, they're not really stuck on 8x and 10x either. They seem to like Windows 7 the best.

@Jaclaz: I do a lot of file copy/move operations - HOWEVER: I access mostly LAN and external USB drives so that's measurably slower any way. And I hardly pay attention to it (which is directly to your point - and supports it) @Noel: I am on the original Windows 8.0.

Well, I'm on Windows 8 right now, and I've had NO issues on my system since I've installed it in December. For a little while I was thinking "Now that I'm done my taxes (for which I needed a newer .NET Framework), I'll go back to Vista for a year, since I loved how it worked and looked." But I'll tell ya, Windows 8 works so smoothly. I have completely forgotten that this system should be half-metro"fied". It just feels like a flatter, leaner Windows 7 (and since I use Quick Launch and non-grouped tasks in the bottom bar, really more like a flatter, leaner Vista) For updates that I'm applying from Server 2012, I am checking the explanations on each, just to make sure what I'm installing. So far so good, but I always could just leave my system at the state it was in January 2016. It really works with no complaint from me or the system.

With Pale Moon, I find the x64 version a tad more brisk (more responsive anyway). But I just figure, if I'm going to use an x64 OS, give me native apps.

I would love to go back, but I want a 64-bit browsing solution. None exist for XP x64. Otherwise I could use SeaMonkey, K-Meleon or Pale Moon/Atom.

No worries. I'll bring it back on topic as of Patch Tuesday.

Also K-Meleon and SeaMonkey are working Gecko variants. The x64 version of Pale Moon also works still.

Most probably far beyond that date , but you have a "wrong" perception, while XP is much less bloated than later systems it is not "light", it's installed size almost tripled (around 1500 Mb vs. 650 Mb) when compared to Windows 2000 (without providing, with the exception of bells an whistles, very few new, useful features). To be fair, even the almost 5x size of Windows 2000 when compared to good ol' NT 4.00 (650 Mb vs. 150/180 Mb) is hardly justified. jaclaz I know, everyone seems to forget how much of a pig we all thought that XP was back then. People who loved XP's RTM release back then are like the same people who embrace 10 now. They hated convention just as much and embraced everything new as well. I could run Windows 2000 on a PII 350 MHz Dell Optiplex with 128 MB. To run XP SP2 in a similar way (with the classic desktop and no visual styles), I found a P4 1.4 GHz with 256 MB of RAM did the trick, so double the RAM, and way more than double the CPU. As an aside, I've setup an HP Pavillion with the RTM version of XP that had a PII 866 MHz CPU, and 512 MB of RAM, and it ran nice. SP2 DEFINITELY slowed down the system.

Perhaps I'm incorrect, but to me Windows 8 seems more "responsive" than Windows 7. It may not necessarily be faster, but stuff seems to load or respond more briskly. Anyway, I'm good with 8. Plus, just a few days away from Patch Tuesday. I'm looking forward to "round two" of trying out 2012 patches.

This is now why I especially like Windows 8 (especially now that it seems I'll be able to use Server 2012 updates with it). Now if I don't us any updates and leave it right at January 2016, I'll be basically on par with NoelC (in the manner that he has ceased updating Windows 8.1 after a certain point) Plus, I can run the x64 build on a pair of Netburst Xeons, so even if I retain this machine for some time longer, I'm all set.

Thank you RyanC. I was wondering what the heck went on. I was REALLY enthusiastic about KernelEx's future for Windows XP.