Jody Thornton

Here are some screenshots with the new revision, plus Classic Shell. I also imported my Vista classic desktop metrics and colours.

I'll provide the link and EVEN BETTER NEWS. He just posted a new version a couple of days days ago. Now IE 11 and the taskbar work with aplomb! http://bertrand.deo.free.fr/TEMP/w8classic.zip The only bug I can see is that Control Panel -> Personalization does not render. Other than that, unzip the executable, run it, and then after log off and back in again. Then run the executable again to patch IE 11 (so it now appears like classic looking IE), and then also choose the "Configure Theme" button to access Advanced Properties (just like you used to in Vista and 7)

Just another to show the file/save dialog box. (EDIT!!! I had to remove the old image to upload the new ones below)

Well, since this thread is about usable desktops, I had asked on some other thread in the Windows 8x section whether or not the classic desktop was actually just buried underneath Aero in Windows 8.1. I believed it had been, so I downloaded a tool into my 8.1 VM, and though it appeared risky, I was about to turf the VM anyway. It claims to restore the classic desktop. Well, there are some rough edges, but it does restore the classic desktop non-skinned elements for real. (EDIT!!! I had to remove the old image to upload the new ones below)

If rapid release does take hold (and the update engine IS indeed being reworked - though on the Tech Prview it's still like 8.1) I would hate if I like a particular feature on a certain revision (say 10.5). Then let's say the feature is permanently changed on 10.6. I would not be able to stay at 10.5 because the following updates will be pushed to customers.

I've been running the last two release candidates, and now the full version. I never thought that K-Meleon would make it, but I'm glad to stand corrected.

10 was chosen to mark that this will be the final full release of Microsoft Windows. After the release of 10, updates will be once monthly (ala rapid release style like Google Chrome). Technically, it seems that the re-engineering of Windows Update methodologies are the feature of Windows 10.

Well at first the service appeared in the Service Manager as "termsrv". I restarted Vista, and it appeared as "Terminal Services". I disabled the service, and after another restart, the messages disappeared from Event Viewer (I cleaned out Event Viewer, of course)

It's Official! Windows 10 it is. http://live.theverge.com/microsoft-windows-9-event-live-blog/#/

http://www.msfn.org/board/topic/91916-terminal-services-missingsystem-even-notifications/

Oft in the future here...lol. What I ended up doing was extracting termserv.dll and termserv.dll.mui from the Install.wim package on the original Vista DVD-ROM. I placed termserv.dll in \windows\system32 and termserv.dll.mui in \windows\system32\en-us. I was now able to disable the service in the services applet. The notifications are gone...!

If you edit win.ini, you will find the section for MS Shell Dlg = {x} MS Shell Dlg 2 = {x} {x} is usually MS Sans Serif. Change that to Tahoma or whatever else you like. It should work.

The OP's transverse question seems to me to be equivalent to your unasked question #3, and both seem to me to be improperly phrased, because both the adoption of WES 2009, or the spoofing of it, will, at most, accomplish the OS continuing to be patched... but neither can possibly keep *"them"* getting patched!!! However, everybody here (me included) seems to have concluded that the OP really-really meant "the best way to having the OS continue to be patched", so that, if so, question #3 has actually been asked. Holy Crap! Just answer the poor guy's question. Talk about semantics. I cannot believe the flaming BS I took from you idiots, for stuff just like this, but it's OK if you guys do the same crap. Man, talk about club mentality.

Now that's rich! I did something along those lines and got flamed off the board. I check in now and then, but Christ, am I ever glad I left.

It may very well annoy more people (my bringing XP up) than submix8c's behaviour dencorso, but as per the point the OP was making; just don't read it then. There are others that DO NOT feel the way you or submix8c feel. After all, I'm not the ONLY guy discussing the topics. By contrast, there are topics that annoy me too, but I don't tell others to keep quiet. I just don't read it. Why is that such a problematic concept? (not angry, just trying to understand) See dencorso, you might be more more accepting of submix8c's antics because you've known him longer, but not all of us do, or find that behaviour any more acceptable than you find my repetitive topics. Trust me, that sort of contestant "clubhouse" or "entitlement" behaviour scares valuable input away. It scares new blood away. Anyway, I responded to bphlpt as eloquently as I could. I think what is said there is valid. I do appreciate you opposite viewpoint dnecorso.

Now see, you've demonstrated how two people who don't agree 100% can still value each other's viewpoint and not act belittling to each other. I will say unlike you perhaps, I don't explicitly value or recognize things such as how many times someone has posted here in the past or even donated (so what?) but if one takes time to share their knowledge in a friendly manner, that can be valuable. I didn't want to sound defensive, but like the OP feels, I still maintain revisiting topics can bring a different light depending on different people's input. So what may be annoying to some, well all I can say was that the OP was right: there are other people still chiming in the conversation. So it doesn't annoy everyone. And we should feel free to carry on our conversation if it interests us. Some people are extremely detail oriented and want many points of view on a topic. Perfect case in point; here in Ontario the Rob Ford scandal is making HUGE inroads, and I'm THOROUGHLY sick of it. Every talks about it ad nauseum. However, I would never say to media forum posters to pipe down, or tell Jimmy Kimmel to put a lid on it. Everyone has an opinion on it, and rehashes the same points, but it's not going away, nor should it. I just don't read it. To me, XP was like a computer version of Rob Ford. What other big story is there in the "Windows" world? See what I mean? Having said that, I do recognize your viewpoint. (and even submix8c's; but he should have been nicer about it; that's all) Well bphlpt, thank you very much for your thoughtful perspective. It does make me feel a tad better. We don't have to agree, but we can do it without yanking out each other's hair. Cheers to you too my friend. Jody

THAT, sir, is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS, now is it? You're a strange person, man. Why? Other people seem to want to talk to me. So you want to deny them that? This is how Internet forums work: A person posts a topic. If people want to respond, they will. If they don't, they won't. You're acting like you--and everyone else who has responded--is somehow being forced to do so. If you don't want to be a part of this conversation, then it's simple: Don't. Ah; you found out submix8c likes to bite when he doesn't get his way. I stopped posting here recently because I realized that if you're not part of the club, and some people here are not interested in your conversation or focus on Windows, they get all irritated. Not to say that there aren't good folks here; because there are. But idiots are always loudest. The only reason I posted today, because I was glad to see I'm not the only one who gets bitten by submix8c. He owns the board you know...lol. It's his way or the Highway. No revisiting topics for a fresh perspective, and no speculation on Windows XP's afterlife, none of that. He doesn't get that it's a public forum - FOR EVERYONE. Although it was funny; he tells me on one occasion to Google something more often when he though I was lacking detail on a point (I see he did that to you earlier in this thread as well). So then on a later occasion, he "discovers" that MSE for Vista and 7 will install on Windows XP x64 (sounding a bit like a chest gloating superstar). But if submix8c would have Googled or checked the forum, he would see that I reavealed that already. But see, I'm not "part of the club" so what I say matters none. Too bad too, because there are lots of GOOD people here, but submix8c almost singlehandedly soured my experience. If you look up submix8c in a thesaurus, I'm sure you'll find a list of obscene words that can't be repeated. Just to show a further smaple of his peachy demeanour, check out this thread. He's such a treat. http://www.msfn.org/board/topic/155511-x64-edition-updates-until-2015/page-2

Well thanks Flasche. I was just trying to make a point, but submix8c basically says you can't do that. It's people that act the way he does that sours the board. Too bad really. It gives the feeling of you have to be in the "MSFN Club" or else. Just even look at the s--head's last response to me. Take care to all of the worthwhile folks on here.

The point is you brought it up the MSE issue yourself prior to knowing that it was back. Don't you snore at me for stating my point. You DO offend me. You're nothing but a smart a-- Off I go, which I'm sure will make you just happy. I've felt I've contributed to this board, but people who act like you just make being on forums a complete displeasure. "Duh!" and "Jeez Dude" (such bright responses) Bye!

I do Google (besides I hate when people say "Google is your friend"; we're here to have a discussion where people help each other, instaead of saying "Go elsewhere"). Officially USB was never supported, though I understood keyboards and mice could sometimes work. And besides you're link points to an obviously buggy implementation I would never accept. I want to plug in a flash drive and have it work. Nuff said.

But see submixc, how is that response any more productive than mine? So you're not interested. And no, jaclaz, I'm not "offended". Everything's fine. I'm not mad at anyone. I'm just a person that gets vehemently behind something. I'm never a fence sitter. But all is good.

Hmmmmm - I think aside from not being able to utilize Plug and Plug, DirectX (beyond v2.0), USB and some newer apps, it would be faster. It's NTFS file system was simpler than NTFS5, so maybe less overhead. It was fairly stable, but I think Windows 2000 bettered it. I'm not sure I could go back to a Windows 95 Explorer interface now though. It's just too simple. I complained at the time about the Windows Desktop Update that accompanied IE 4, but now, it's commonplace, and hardware has well exceeded it's overhead.

Just a couple of things I wanted to say on this, because it irks me how a couple of you are extremely fatigued about ad nauseum conversation on Windows Updates/XP EOL. Here's wny I keep bringing it up (along with many others mind you) and contribute to several update threads. First off, the way I see it, Windows XP's EOL is "THE BIG STORY OF MICROSOFT WINDOWS" right now. I think of it as the same weight in computers as 9/11 or JFK was to news (I'm exaggerating a tad, but there is a comparison). Days after the attacks, I still only wanted to hear, talk about or find out more about anything that had to do with the events of September 11th. Some of us become fixated on a story and want to follow it's development, and visit EVERY MINUTE detail of it. With our XP topic, I find that I hear different details about different elements of the story as time moved closer. Those that disagree with what I've stated, instead of disparaging my having the level of interest I have in watching Windows XP's EOL unfold; skip the thread. If I wish to discuss it in fine detail, thread after thread (again others seem to as well), why can't I? Really, I'd like to know that. Besides, what other really interesting things are happening in Windows right now? Windows 8.1 Update? What else? Not despite my lack of interest in that, I won't chime in one of those threads and tell them to stop whining or get a life (Yes I know jaclaz apologized, but at the end of the day, I'm sure he'd wish I'd shut up about XP EOL; but I won't because sometimes the most obscure details come from asking things repeatedly. Different people tell you different things, and sometimes when you cross-reference something, you get clarification.) Besides, I've already switched to Vista, so I'm watching the EOL occur from afar. But if it turns out XP users end up faring better than expected, I may switch back to XP x64. I simply like to reasearch things through and through. **** UPDATE **** Just to further validate my viewpoint, in a related story with MSE support, we were originally told that MSE support for XP would die on April 8th. Then we have been told that support for MSE on XP will remain until July 2015. Now, the MSE page has been removed and is unavailable (at least accoding to a thread on this forum). So see? Things are constantly in flux. That's why speculative questioning (even if repeated) is interesting to me. Cheers, Jody

It sounded to me as if he eluded to getting x64 updates AFTER April on Windows Update. Read the paragraph: "There won't be anymore new official updates for XP. Through windows update. You maybe able to download patches to an unpatched system but wont recieve any new ones. You may however be able to access the windwos update cataloge Idk though. I run X64bit so I am still getting patches." The manner in which he makes the distinction sounds as if in May, June, July, .... he still expects to receive updates for x64 through Windows Update.

What I will be checking though are those update ISOs that were pointed out on here, and see just how many XP updates are nested in them.