Jody Thornton

Wow, really? Now all you need is the classic theme restoration add-on to rid of Australis

So has MSE and also Microsoft Security Scanner been cancelled for XP/2003 as well?

It appears that KB3184471 was made to supersede update KB3160352 in MS16-081. Not sure why that one does not install.

Seems to be multiple updates from one of the screenshots in this thread: http://www.eightforums.com/windows-8-news/75904-microsoft-security-bulletin-summary-september-2016-a.html

I also understood we weren't getting these cumulative updates until October. Now when I was on the September 2016 Bulletins Page, the separate Windows 8.1 updates were there. Could there have just been an older update offered up that you did not previously install?

Well I'm back to working again (well able to post anyway)

I Yeah the date system on the forum was off-kilter. I was unable to even post yesterday

I remember how you guys felt (in another thread) that I was being a tad off-putting when I expressed concerns about using XP. Well, if you thought I was bad, hear these guys: https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=13060 Yikes! It does confirm that if there was any hope at all for a Pale Moon version to target older OS releases, it's likely for nigh.

Cue the Circus music: (daaah-daaah-da-da-dum ... daaah-daaah-da-da-dum) Step right up, yes ... step right up. We are now going to witness the eighth month witnessing the Ultimate Updater (that's me ...lol) as he dare take updates from Server 2012 and hopes to accomplish the incredible feat of installing those updates on to a Windows 8 system. You say it can't be done, ... he'll ruin his system. He proceeds forward nonetheless. Here are the updates that he will install.... For the OS itself => KB3175024, KB3177186, KB3184122, KB3184471, KB3184943, KB3185911 For the Adobe Flash Player: KB3188128 and for Internet Explorer 10: KB3185319 Has this man lost his mind? Will he be able to reboot his system? We'll find out. Greenhillmanic, if you would roll the drums please ........................................................................................ see you after the boot! _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ After the Reboot! (for some reason I cannot post a new entry ... it says "time between new posts are limited and that I'd have to wait for -60834 seconds) OK so I'm back. Now interestingly KB3184471 was not consider required for my system, so that on did not install. I'm going to re-investigate that one now. However the rest installed. So there is eight months done. I wonder how October will go regarding cumulative updates.

I went and bought two sealed Windows 8 Pro DVDs from a local IT support retailer. The first one was in November for $60.00 (as opposed to $80.00). And I went back to the same guy and purchased the second one just a few weeks ago for $50.00. I was able to talk him down more, by "emphasizing" he was still stuck with them, and no one wants Windows 8 anymore (except me).

Go to page 2 of this thread, and scroll halfway down. MY CPUs apparently lack the PREFETCHW instruction, and that disallows running the x64 version of Windows 8.1 and Windows 10. The CPUs were all launched prior to 2008 Plus, if you go to the Windows 8 Forums linked below, you'll see many had issues with the upgrade. I'm surprised this is news to so many. http://www.eightforums.com/installation-setup/33167-8-1-upgrades-says-wont-work-pentium-4-prescott-630-a-2.html

That's odd Noel, because you posted in that very thread back at Christmas time. Let me go find it. It was well known that many had hardware issues and could not upgrade to Windows 8.1

I'll go find it later. But yes, it's in there.... lol

Now that would be a fun game for another thread Noel. My wishlist OS ...lol.

Actually not exactly Harry Tri. I have come to prefer Windows 8 because of it lacks telemetry updates and GWX. However, it started out because I use a system that runs on a pair of Netburst (P4--style) Xeons. These CPUs lack some of the security components needed to run the x64 version of Windows 8.1. So at Windows 8 I must stay, or replace the system. But now that all of that telemetry crap and updating crap came to light. I do prefer Windows 8. So if and when I acquire a newer system, I will still use Windows 8. This was the thread (below) where I discovered all of this:

That's why i prefer Windows 8 and Vista. They seem to roll beneath Microsoft's radar, but yet Windows 8 stll has a healthy measure of compatibility with modern-day applications. Vista still tends to run what I want.

Haaaaa! Now there's a clever response (but more true than I might think ...lol)

Now that I have to try. I do like the Windows 8 flat look, but no Metro AT ALL is quite tempting.

Where can I find out more about using the Windows 7 explorer.exe process? Basically I just use a Windows 7 shell on 8?

For me I posted my findings in my "2012 updates" thread sometime back, but here goes: If you aren't using Metro/Modern apps or the new UI, basically all of the Windows 8.1 improvements are for nigh. Aside from some extra parameters in the DISM command used to clean the Component Store, there isn't much change to the Explorer-based section of Windows. I can run all of the same applications in Windows 8 as I can for Windows 8.1. Classic Shell allows me the same benefits in Windows 8 of booting directly to the desktop with a Start Menu. And even if I were to use Windows 8.1, I'd still be installing Classic Shell. Plus I can conceal all of the Metro-esque stuff quite nicely. No Telemetry: since Windows 8 is not eligible for the Windows 10 upgrade. Even though GWX woes have passed, I didn't get bombarded with that nonsense either. I can run Windows 8 x64 builds on older, but still reasonably fast processors, like my twin P4-style Xeons. My system cannot run the x64 builds of Windows 8.1. There are oh-so slight extra security requirements. Hope that helps Arnold!

Hi Folks: I was searching to see if there was a 4.9 release of Windows Defender for 8x and 10. I received some "credible-looking" results from the PC Mag site. But there was no direct link for a client download on Microsoft's site. For those running Windows Defender on Windows 8.1, what is the latest revision you're running now?

Well, Windows 8 will definitely be "excluded". I guess what we mean to say is one of two things. Let's hope that Windows Server 2012 (classic) gets either: (a) rollup security and .NET updates -OR- (b) continued access to individual updates ... in both cases, let's hope we can apply them to Windows 8. Now bringing up Vista, I am going to research whether or not there is any software, web-based or locally installed, that allow me to NetFile my tax returns on Vista next year (apparently the is a new security protocol required in Microsoft's TCP/IP stack that is required by the Canada Revenue Agency to permit this, which is ONLY included in Windows 7 or higher. That's what prompted my move to Windows 8 in December. But if there is software that works on thw web with Vista, well that opens up my options. Should this good fortune of applying updates to post-supported Windows 8 collapse, I might just return to Vista x64. Using Server 2008 updates, we should be able to give Vista the same royal treatment after April 2017 that we gave Windows 8. That would provide "support" until January 2020. Besides everything else that I want to run would work in Vista.

Well no worries. What we DO know is that Server 2012 WILL get these rollups. So the question is, can these rollups be applied to Windows 8? October will tell us.

Speaking of this, you might want to read my post on Windows Update changes for Windows 7 and 8.1, on this page

You folks might just want to read this: https://sur.ly/o/blogs.technet.microsoft.com/windowsitpro%2F2016%2F08%2F15%2Ffurther-simplifying-servicing-model-for-windows-7-and-windows-8-1%2F/AA010667 Now while I'm sure that this may be viewed negatively, I can see a benefit here. I can simply download Server 2012 update rollups for Security and .NET Frameworks (it targets all installed versions) and then just manually install those on to my Windows 8 system. Just two rollup updates a month. That's provided of course they don't introduce checks to make sure I'm running Windows Server 2012. That would stink. Also for Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 users, it means you can no longer disect the telemetry updates. That's crappy. The latter issue doesn't affect me, but still you would have my sympathies. Now I wonder what the difference is between security-only rollups and the regular cumulative rollup offered by Windows Updates? What is missing in the security-only updates? Since Windows 7 and 8.1 (I think) are both now in extended-phase support, would they not be both only receiving security updates and no new features?