Jody Thornton

I agree that it's an evolution of thought bphlpt. But I don't see where I was being negative. I see it as: In 2014, I saw things one way. Then the landscape changed. Now I see a different way. And I'm just expressing it. That's all. In fact, it's no more negative than referring to Win 8 as an abomination, right? Noel and I both know you're joking. That's why I placed smiley faces in my posts. I even qualified one of my posts with, "I know it sounds like I ... on and on", just to clarify that I realized I might've sounded smug, but didn't mean to be.. So I haven't meant to not be friendly about it, I promise. But if someone feels they've started to "see the light", can't they express that, even if it's a different viewpoint than most others hold? That was all I meant to do. I'm sorry it turned off a number of people. No bad feelings intended. I just wanted to express my change of mindset, that was all.

No I am not scurrying to the computer shop for a free upgrade. I don't run an eligible OS anyway.

I use Sumatra Dibya. And I use Pale Moon. I guess I find I'm just seeing better value in newer versions of Windows, whereas I hadn't before. Now, I'm not sure I'd call Windows NT 6x universally a lame horse. Windows 8 is running well on my Windows XP-era hardware. Just about as fast to be honest. Yes, I've placed Classic Shell on it, and rid of the Start Screen and even a lot of the Metro apps, but I haven't used NTLite or anything. It's not a pig on my older machine. It runs well.

Like Chrome, Adobe products, many x64 browsers don't work with the x64 version. Twitter vids don't play embedded in the browser. Lots of stuff Dencorso. And of course I don't mean without tinkering, I mean as is I wasn't trying to be dislikeable at all. I just feel a sense of moving on, you know.

But by Microsoft's "stance" on POSReady2009, the OS is not intended as a desktop platform, so Flash does not need to work on such an OS. So the way I'd see it, Adobe no longer needs to give a darn about it. I know it sounds like I've started to take a "Just let XP die now" viewpoint. I suppose it's because now there's so much that no longer is working on it now, that I've begun taking a "meh" attitude towards it. And I find once you get used to Vista and now Windows 8, XP seems so archaic now. That's just me though.

I don't think he'll be as hard-fisted towards Windows NT 6x based systems as they drop off. Windows 8 still works and should for the foreseeable future. He had mentioned once that he does not intend to yank Vista support too early. So that's promising. I don't think that Moonchild and Matt Tobin are that big of fans of the newest "metrofied" Windows builds like 8x or 10. They seemed to be squared right in on Windows 7. That doesn't have that long of a future. So what will their position be in January 2020? Dencorso, comparing their stance on post-support OS releases VS breaking away from Firefox is a tad different. The browser they have forked is still up to date rendering-wise, and has security releases made for it. Pale Moon is still fully completely compatible with today's web. Old Windows version on the other hand can't work with all of today's hardware or applications, and you may say, but if vendors created drivers and made apps compatible, then they would work. But that's no different from any other OS in the past, is it? And old DLLs can be demonstrated to be more exploitable. The moment you guys say, "I love Windows 2000, but DON't BANK online with it", then you've agreed that the OS is no longer up to snuff in some small way or form, right? I guess now that I've moved to Windows 8, I'm happy with it. I was still sympathetic to those wishing to save XP. up until Server 2003 support bit the dust. After that point, I could see that many applications and codecs were no longer being supported in the same way. So the fun ride seems to be over now.

Well the updates for Server 2012 are distributed using file names denoted as Windows8-RT-KBxxxxx. So saying they are not the same codebase as Windows 8 would be untrue. Moonchild (over at the Pale Moon Forums) vehemently disagrees with this philosophy. He does not, for example, recognize Server 2003 x64 and XP x64 as one and the same (meanwhile many of the updates were for both OSs.). To him, Vista and Server 2008 are not one and the same either. But their updates do work, trust me.

I have automatic updates on Windows 8 turned off completely. All I do is download the standalone installers for Server 2012 updates, and I use those to patch Windows 8 (it has been working since February 2016)

See, I would've just skipped updates that were relegated to Server only features. I am fairly certain that the updates for PowerShell 5.0 will fail on Windows 8, but I cannot confirm that. But I would expect that updates for any server feature would fail on the workstation OS.

@bphlpt: Even so, the updates are not for Windows Server 2012 (initial release), and thus not for Windows 8 (initial release). Interesting just the same. The point is that I'm NEVER offered updates at all, unlike what Dencorso might have thought. No biggie. Windows 8 is out of support, no differently than Windows XP is.

No Dencorso, Windows 8 does not receive Automatic Updates (Windows 8.1 does). I have to go search out all of the Server 2012 updates and use the Standalone Installer. Is KB3170735 a telemetry update or GWX daemon? If so, then Windows 8 does not get those at all.

The only one that predictably did not install was the update for .NET v3.5 (which I do not have installed). Otherwise, all good.

Okilie Dokilie. So here's what I downloaded, and I'm about to install: OS Updates KB3168965, KB3169704, KB3170377, KB3170455, KB3172727 Flash KB3174060 IE10 KB3170106 .NET (3.5) KB3163246, (4.52) KB3163250, (4.61) KB3164023 See you all after the system restart.

Good morning. I suppose tomorrow is patch Tuesday. I'll be out of town, but back by Wednesday to experiment with July's updates. Wow! Six months of patches.

Here's the other thing. That upgrade is only good for the device you're activating it on, for the life of the device. So if you hustle to upgrade, and then don't use Windows 10 for say, five years, but meanwhile that old PC or notebook breaks down, you need to buy it.

Well no guys, it's not Pale Moon developers kissing MS-heinie. It's that if they want their product to have a future and cater to new technologies, supporting XP (or any Windows NT 5.x variant) will hold them back. I would agree that for now Google Chrome could have kept running on XP and Vista, and Pale Moon's v26.x releases will keep supporting XP for the time being. But this isn't some conspiracy theory. If you want to be a profitable business, and stay in the business of selling new operating systems, why would you want every one staying on XP? Why? How would you ever make money that way? Besides, computing is changing now. XP and desktop OS systems represent computing up to 2011 roughly. Now mobile computing is where it's at. Windows needs to go places that are different than what XP or 2000 gave us. PC experts and fans will still compute this way, but that market is shrinking, and is not where the future is. Computing is getting end-users to install apps and companies making money by their customers and prospects using these apps. You and I are not part of that mainstream. READ THE NEXT PART VERY CAREFULLY .... Yes, I don't have a smart phone myself, and Windows is my main computing platform - HOWEVER - I do not delude myself into thinking I'm part of that mainstream. Being a lifelong record collector, it was like it was back in 1995, when I was searching out "Jagged Little Pill" by Alanis Morrissette on an LP, I knew I was in for a daunting search. After several months, I found a German-pressed import LP, and I felt lucky. But IN NO WAY did I convince myself ever that this was how music existed in the 90s. Compact discs were where it was at. I was not part of the mainstream, and at that time, I was going against the tide of acceptance. And so are Windows desktop users.

Uh - oh! How would you write the sound effect of a losing buzzer alarm? (GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG) - maybe In any case, the Atom release will be discontinued as of the next milestone release of Pale Moon v27. And Moonchild has stipulated NO EXCEPTIONS will be made for XP support this time around. So no XP support of any kind once v27 hits.

Oh wow, the .NET update appeared in this month's bulletin list. They may have been updating pages a lot while I was trying to download the updates. Well, feel free to double-check my work. I hope I did correctly this time around.

Well there was one for .NET v3.5 and there was a Flash update. (KB3157993)

OK so June's Patch Tuesday is here. It appears that I was navigating the security bulletin pages as they were being updated. But here's what I got: OS Critical and Important Updates KB3157569, KB3160352, KB3161561, KB3161664, KB3161949, KB3161958, KB3164033, KB3164035 PDF Reader (already installed) KB3157569 .NET 3.5 KB3142025 IE10 KB3160005 Abode Flash Player KB3157993 So how did I do? The updates did install (except that I do not have .NET 3.5, so that was not installed). The PDF Reader updates cites that I've already installed it. I'll have to search this thread after posting it. ***** NEVER MIND ***** I see the duplication ...lol. See the first update?

I would have thought this was big news. Just my thought perhaps: http://www.wsj.com/articles/microsoft-to-acquire-linkedin-in-deal-valued-at-26-2-billion-1465821523

I can imagine the conversation in the boardroom when they came up with this idea: "We need to drop this subject ... PERIOD!"

Good to see the positive reaction to Pale Moon. I've been a user for two years. Still the deprecation of plugins and XUL may be an issue for developers of other Gecko based browsers (yes, I know that Pale Moon is now Goanna, but it's all the same... lol). Seamonkey and K-Meleon's future may be impacted.

Well "worry" might be overstating it just a bit, but thanks.

Oh wait, it wasn't this past Tuesday was it? I thought Patch Tuesday was still three days away.