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@Ugh: What does your "old lady" use currently, BTW? Official FirefoxESR 52.9.x was never meant to be run on a non-SSE2 CPU; AFAIAA, no effort has been made public here to recompile it to run on a SSE-only machine; compiler optimisation is one thing, but the source-code itself is another ; if the latter invokes the SSE2+ instructions set, then the SSE-only optimised binary will crash when run on a SSE-only CPU... The last (official) Firefox that would run on a SSE-only CPU is FxESR 45.9.x; Roytam1 does maintain a fork of that, for the sake of very old H/W, but it's being rarely updated and offered (as ALL of his browsers) in English, only: http://o.rthost.win/gpc/files1.rt/firefox-45.9.34-20221210-b637891ad-win32-sse.7z Discussion of Firefox 45/52 tends to be academic nowadays, because Google, with their dominance on everything web-related , have restructured the Internet of 2020+ to be palatable mostly to the latest Chrom-e/-ium version (-20 versions, if lucky ...) and likewise with their stepchild, "Firefox Browser"... The "-sse" & "-ia32" variants of New Moon (27/)28 target nonSSE2 CPUs: New Moon 27.10 was originally forked from Pale Moon 27 (Vista+); its engine is inadequate for today's web, but it has recent TLS (HTTPS) implementation... https://o.rthost.win/palemoon/palemoon-27.10.0.win32-git-20230408-f4385096ea-xpmod-sse.7z https://o.rthost.win/palemoon/palemoon-27.10.0.win32-git-20230408-f4385096ea-xpmod-ia32.7z New Moon 28.10.6a1 tries to catch up/be better than latest Pale Moon 32.1.0 (Win7+) ; it's based on the UXP platform and has, together with Serpent 52, the best web compatibility of the offered XP-compatible browsers (but still inferior to mainline Chrome/Firefox): https://o.rthost.win/palemoon/palemoon-28.10.6a1.win32-git-20230408-d849524bd-uxp-b5e969b8a-xpmod-sse.7z https://o.rthost.win/palemoon/palemoon-28.10.6a1.win32-git-20230408-d849524bd-uxp-b5e969b8a-xpmod-ia32.7z Originally forked from FxESR 52, the "-ia32" variant of Serpent 52.9.0 will be the closest thing (to Fx52) that will run under XP+nonSSE2: https://o.rthost.win/basilisk/basilisk52-g4.8.win32-git-20230408-3219d2d-uxp-b5e969b8a-xpmod-ia32.7z ALL above binaries will NOT autoupdate, thus you need to manually update/overwrite older builds with newer ones (they're released in weekly cycles, but, unless you have a special need that calls for it, you can update more infrequently); and, as stated, are only offered in English (so, here's hoping your client has at least some rudimentary command of English ) ... For updated builds, you may want to bookmark: https://rtfreesoft.blogspot.com/search/label/browser Best regards

@legacyfan Why you don’t use search button first before creating new thread?

New build of Serpent/UXP for XP! Test binary: Win32 https://o.rthost.win/basilisk/basilisk52-g4.8.win32-git-20230408-3219d2d-uxp-b5e969b8a-xpmod.7z Win64 https://o.rthost.win/basilisk/basilisk52-g4.8.win64-git-20230408-3219d2d-uxp-b5e969b8a-xpmod.7z source code that is comparable to my current working tree is available here: https://github.com/roytam1/UXP/commits/custom IA32 Win32 https://o.rthost.win/basilisk/basilisk52-g4.8.win32-git-20230408-3219d2d-uxp-b5e969b8a-xpmod-ia32.7z source code that is comparable to my current working tree is available here: https://github.com/roytam1/UXP/commits/ia32 NM28XP build: Win32 https://o.rthost.win/palemoon/palemoon-28.10.6a1.win32-git-20230408-d849524bd-uxp-b5e969b8a-xpmod.7z Win32 IA32 https://o.rthost.win/palemoon/palemoon-28.10.6a1.win32-git-20230408-d849524bd-uxp-b5e969b8a-xpmod-ia32.7z Win32 SSE https://o.rthost.win/palemoon/palemoon-28.10.6a1.win32-git-20230408-d849524bd-uxp-b5e969b8a-xpmod-sse.7z Win64 https://o.rthost.win/palemoon/palemoon-28.10.6a1.win64-git-20230408-d849524bd-uxp-b5e969b8a-xpmod.7z Official UXP changes picked since my last build: - No Issue - Fix drawing in titlebar on Mac when building with the Big Sur 11.0 SDK. On Intel we build with the 10.12 SDK so this problem is avoided. Also Pale Moon no longer supports drawing in the titlebar in the front end. However Basilisk does and built for ARM the tabs were cut off by the native titlebar. This uses the new APIs introduced in SDK 10.10 and 11.0 to draw in the titlebar. (2625cb0b6) - Issue #2181 - Add sys/auxv.h to system-headers (607df6796) - Issue #2184 - Increase mozjemalloc page cache size from 1 MiB to 16 MiB. (d8cd769cf) - Issue #62 - Follow-up: Fix debug build bustage with shared Spidermonkey. (af72806b3) - No issue - FreeBSD builds should also use xz compression for packaging. (2e6362218) - Issue #2155 - Follow-up: Reorder super-property evaluation order per latest spec change (74032644f) - Issue #2173 - Fix exporting array and object binding patterns (0b2e8c481) - Issue #2173 - Add a new PNK_ARGUMENTS node type for call argument lists (924140d40) - Issue #2173 - Add a new PNK_PROPERTYNAME to hold location information about property access name (fa1193b8c) - Issue #2173 - Store the info about the existence of the default case into the switch ParseNode (36b5a5624) - Issue #2173 - Fix return value of MUST_MATCH_TOKEN* macros in Parser methods which returns bool (c02e109b7) - Issue #2173 - Add accessors to ListNode (9c17ec053) - Issue #2173 - Add accessors to TernaryNode (4726d96fd) - Issue #2173 - Add accessors to BinaryNode and subclasses (662419c50) - Issue #2173 - Add accessors to UnaryNode and subclasses (68a407c93) - Issue #2173 - Add accessors to NameNode, CodeNode, RegExpLiteral, and add NumericLiteral (ba730c488) - Issue #2173 - Add accessors to NullaryNode and change LoopControlStatement arity to PN_LOOP (a49f4d048) - Issue #2173 - Add accessors to LexicalScopeNode (3bd300e26) - Issue #2173 - Add TryNode (d4103253d) - Issue #2173 - Fix remaining ParseNode* in FullParseHandler methods signature (287a2ad2e) - Issue #2173 - Allow constant folding to see inside functions when using the module pattern (661b1c534) - Issue #2173 - Remove unused case/code from function node ops (f21340f1a) - Issue #2173 - Separate CodeNode into FunctionNode and ModuleNode (0dac79185) - Issue #2173 - Introduce FunctionNode::syntaxKind instead of JSOPs (0132ae210) - Issue #1863 - Update freetype2 to 2.13.0. (8a54b4f30) - PR #2189 - Follow-up: Fix build bustage with GCC 9 related to checkExportedNamesForDeclaration (7c9215f95) - No Issue - Fix FreeBSD build failure with WebRTC enabled. (3c3456cc6) - Issue #2191 - Remove as much old fontconfig support as needed for Harfbuzz update. (b5d5963a4) - Issue #2191 - Make ScaledFont::SetCairoScaledFont virtual so it can be accessed from outside Moz2D. (c54e2502b) - Issue #2191 - Get rid of gfxFontconfigUtils.h since gfxFontconfigFontBase is unnecessary. (a35ce5e5e) - Issue #2191 - Remove redundant CairoScaledFont accessor from gfxFont subclasses. (b721b6257) - Issue #2191 - Require implementation of gfxFont::GetScaledFont and remove unnecessary gfxPlatform::GetScaledFontForFont. (0f7750cd2) - Issue #2191 - Remove virtual from gfxFont::GetCairoScaledFont. (44b74873c) - Issue #2191 - Follow-up: Add missing mozilla::gfx in gfxFcPlatformFontList.cpp (d9e7c07ed) No official Pale-Moon changes picked since my last build. No official Basilisk changes picked since my last build. My changes since my last build: - update harfbuzz to 2.8.2 (58116e6c5) - update harfbuzz to 3.2.0 (b5e969b8a) Update Notice: - You may delete file named icudt*.dat inside program folder when updating from old releases. * Notice: From now on, UXP rev will point to `custom` branch of my UXP repo instead of MCP UXP repo, while "official UXP changes" shows only `tracking` branch changes.

If you mean the current certificates, there's probably no harm in doing that, but you need to make it clear that they will need to be updated at some point, using one of the several mechanisms outlined here. I've always used heinoganda's updater, and it has never failed me, but I know some people have had trouble with it.

Surely there's no point in integrating the actual root certificate updates in your project as they are still being regularly updated. Any you include will become outdated quite quickly. It would be much better to include just the actual updating mechanism, so the latest versions can always be retrieved.

There are indeed no more official pale-moon builds for XP newer than 26.5 but the whole point of this thread is to talk about all the unofficial builds that are based on latest Pale Moon, and also PaleMoon27 for XP, And some of those builds are compatible with SSE1 cpu as well.

Perhaps your Windows installation is simply borked in a way that would make it difficult to diagnose. Crashing in ntdll.dll doesn't say much, you'd have to use the debugger to maybe have the chance to figure out what goes wrong.

Yes, it should work that way. NT6Only.txt is only there to hide in for XP installs. A log file is created \Windows\Logs\WinNTSetup\%Date%\WinNTSetup_RegImport.log. Maybe there is a parsing error. @Sonic Wimscript folder was moved to out of Tools, but there is also another bug with it.

First and foremost - start looking for VPN with NO-logging policies and (obviously) outside of russia, cuba , etc. Then look who is the owner and where it is registered. Off-shore islands are the best. Do not use German VPN, from what I read, they are demanded to write and store logs by the German law ! Don't get me wrong though, I love Germans !

Preliminary beta completed, testing in-process. Unsure if will be able to upload this weekend or not.

I'm not quite familiar with the others, but browsec is a well-known KGB data mining tool. Browsec logs your data, and it’s based in Russia. Besides , even in paid version !: It doesn’t support P2P, It doesn’t support Netflix, HBO Max, and Disney+ Source : https://www.vpnmentor.com/reviews/browsec/ EDIT: Maybe the other suggested VPN providers need a proper research too ? Add reviews from trusted sources ?

New build of post-deprecated Serpent/moebius for XP! * Notice: This repo will not be built on regular schedule, and changes are experimental as usual. ** Current moebius patch level should be on par with 52.9, but some security patches can not be applied/ported due to source milestone differences between versions. Test binary: Win32 http://o.rthost.win/basilisk/basilisk55-win32-git-20230408-90aa2da97-xpmod.7z Win64 http://o.rthost.win/basilisk/basilisk55-win64-git-20230408-90aa2da97-xpmod.7z repo: https://github.com/roytam1/basilisk55 Repo changes: - import from UXP: No Issue - Fix drawing in titlebar on Mac when building with the Big Sur 11.0 SDK. On Intel we build with the 10.12 SDK so this problem is avoided. Also Pale Moon no longer supports drawing in the titlebar in the front end. However Basilisk does and built for ARM the tabs were cut off by the native titlebar. This uses the new APIs introduced in SDK 10.10 and 11.0 to draw in the titlebar. (2625cb0b) (6f6086e1e) - import from UXP: Issue #2181 - Add sys/auxv.h to system-headers (607df679) (7d88b91e3) - import from UXP: Issue #2184 - Increase mozjemalloc page cache size from 1 MiB to 16 MiB. (d8cd769c) (15568ece6) - import from UXP: Issue #62 - Follow-up: Fix debug build bustage with shared Spidermonkey. (af72806b) (8690b0779) - import from UXP: Issue #2155 - Follow-up: Reorder super-property evaluation order per latest spec change (74032644) (b70cbbdf4) - import from UXP: Issue #2173 - Fix exporting array and object binding patterns (0b2e8c48) (883f2ebe1) - import from UXP: Issue #2173 - Add a new PNK_ARGUMENTS node type for call argument lists (924140d4) (aa7e25184) - import from UXP: Issue #2173 - Add a new PNK_PROPERTYNAME to hold location information about property access name (fa1193b8) (f9e429c4f) - import from UXP: Issue #2173 - Store the info about the existence of the default case into the switch ParseNode (36b5a562) (7e5e4918d) - import from UXP: Issue #2173 - Fix return value of MUST_MATCH_TOKEN* macros in Parser methods which returns bool (c02e109b) (48571aa05) - import from UXP: Issue #2173 - Add accessors to ListNode (9c17ec05) (5f06ea872) - import from UXP: Issue #2173 - Add accessors to TernaryNode (4726d96f) (6cd3774da) - import from UXP: Issue #2173 - Add accessors to BinaryNode and subclasses (662419c5) (0f372d2fe) - ported from UXP: Issue #2173 - Add accessors to UnaryNode and subclasses (68a407c9) (014867919) - ported from UXP: Issue #2173 - Add accessors to NameNode, CodeNode, RegExpLiteral, and add NumericLiteral (ba730c48) (4b0f0e687) - import from UXP: Issue #2173 - Add accessors to NullaryNode and change LoopControlStatement arity to PN_LOOP (a49f4d04) (8791207a5) - import from UXP: Issue #2173 - Add accessors to LexicalScopeNode (3bd300e2) (f3f51ebb0) - import from UXP: Issue #2173 - Add TryNode (d4103253) (35c239c0d) - import from UXP: Issue #2173 - Fix remaining ParseNode* in FullParseHandler methods signature (287a2ad2) (6c0008690) - import from UXP: Issue #2173 - Remove unused case/code from function node ops (f21340f1) (cb01c6f90) - ported from UXP: Issue #2173 - Separate CodeNode into FunctionNode and ModuleNode (0dac7918) (f98526a86) - import from UXP: Issue #2173 - Allow constant folding to see inside functions when using the module pattern (661b1c53) (42d6d570a) - ported from UXP: Issue #2173 - Introduce FunctionNode::syntaxKind instead of JSOPs (0132ae21) (260bbc54c) - import from UXP: Issue #1863 - Update freetype2 to 2.13.0. (8a54b4f3) (ffb926317) - import from UXP: PR #2189 - Follow-up: Fix build bustage with GCC 9 related to checkExportedNamesForDeclaration (7c9215f9) (bd30f5bfd) - import from UXP: No Issue - Fix FreeBSD build failure with WebRTC enabled. (3c3456cc) (a6fbd148a) - ported from UXP: Issue #2191 - Remove as much old fontconfig support as needed for Harfbuzz update. (b5d5963a) (170771a8a) - import from UXP: Issue #2191 - Make ScaledFont::SetCairoScaledFont virtual so it can be accessed from outside Moz2D. (c54e2502) (7b8614d7f) - import from UXP: Issue #2191 - Get rid of gfxFontconfigUtils.h since gfxFontconfigFontBase is unnecessary. (a35ce5e5) (644697bc7) - import from UXP: Issue #2191 - Remove redundant CairoScaledFont accessor from gfxFont subclasses. (b721b625) (9e3bea9d8) - ported from UXP: Issue #2191 - Require implementation of gfxFont::GetScaledFont and remove unnecessary gfxPlatform::GetScaledFontForFont. (0f7750cd) (8a5e88041) - ported from UXP: Issue #2191 - Remove virtual from gfxFont::GetCairoScaledFont. (44b74873) (cd4c972e1) - import from UXP: Issue #2191 - Follow-up: Add missing mozilla::gfx in gfxFcPlatformFontList.cpp (d9e7c07e) (b5e596fb7) - import from `custom` branch of UXP: update harfbuzz to 2.8.2 (58116e6c) (5d1c07c75) - update harfbuzz to 3.2.0 (90aa2da97)

There are news: You asked for a Website, here it is (bought by @millenium_tech): http://www.windowsupdaterestored.com Still work in progress, but it works

wimscripts are missing in combo list in "Local Windows installation" since WinNTSetup 5.30 beta 7. Works in 5.26 + 5.30 beta 6

A thread with such a request should only be created if something like this happens:

You're welcome, anytime!

thank you everyone for the reccomendations I'm now on windows 11 and it has never rum better (and thanks to mina for the compatibility report)

Just posting to move this thread up a little bit...and to thank @NotHereToPlayGames for sharing his releases for a browser that is still very capable on the modern Web. Chrome 80 seems to be the bare minimum (for Firefox the earliest 'regular' release is 72, first ESR is 78--please correct me if I am wrong) to support nullish coalescing and optional chaining...this 'unlocks' a good amount of the modern Internet, though not all sites work properly. That is to say, 360v13.5 will still get you around on the Internet these days, but once more web designers start embracing the later ECMAScript standards, the percentage of sites that work will go down, but that's a given with any browser from any era. I am excited to see what happens with XP going forward, but it looks like for the future it'll be either 7, 8.x or 10 to get you through your daily tasks, without question.

my PM26.5-win2000 builds are already noSSE. and also my -ia32 builds are also noSSE (still needs CMOV instruction set anyway)

Just food for thought, given my past experiences with Windows and occurrences of certain oddities at times. I thought my main Win10 installation works properly until I realized some parts do not. WER dialogs don't show despite DontShowUI=0 setting because some flag that is supposed to be set only under specific circumstances is always set for unknown reason, weather widget from ExplorerPatcher brings down Explorer for unknown reason, crashes after some time with no prior warnings signs, different DLL every time, Process Hacker upon inspection while the crashed process was being held showed USER handles reached the default limit of 10000, who knows why, they're not even increasing at some crazy rate during runtime, they just explode at random. I've had some different sort of crap with XP as well back in the day and while I've probably forgotten about some oddities, one of my "favorite" ones was Explorer opening folders with delay. Or inability to open Effects dialog from Display properties, just nothing happened while clicking. WinXP x64 install on my desktop and Win10 install on my laptop...I haven't detected anything...yet (with exception of one incident several months ago when I was using Explorer on WinXP x64 and suddenly memory usage spiked and consumed over 95% of available RAM (4 GB)), but they're not used as much, which probably helps. I thought about using DeepFreeze at some point, but it seemed too much of a hassle due to having files spread-out throughout the disks. ASUS laptop from 2018 at work somehow works, mostly, but TPM broke several months ago and I get an endless spam of TPM errors in Event Viewer. I don't really have the need to start things with delay, but I tried using VBS script once for the purpose. Because T-Clock Redux on XP x64 would refuse to replace system clock 3 out of 4 times when starting up the computer and logging in. But it still happened even if I put 15 seconds delay, so ended up having to restart Clock64.exe process manually... Seems there was a better chance of working if computer was already warmed up by the time I logged in.

someone is trying to "mirror" my binaries.

Why I got this? (I also got this too on my VMs)

There is a known "nuance" with the telemetry blocking methods of previous releases (including Humming Owl releases [I see dozens of these zero-length attempts in Humming Owl releases, only these two in my releases]). No DNS connections are made with the previous blocking methods (including Humming Owl releases), but some LOCAL proxies (such as Proxomitron) still "sees" the blocked connection.

Impossible to tell without actual setup file(s) at hand. .NET 1.1 may be installed following the procedure described here. If you don't have linked setups, put those links in Wayback Machine, it's where downloads remain archived. There are number of reasons why something may not work, from relying to 16-bit components to convoluted copy-protection either relying on 32-bit kernel drivers or some specific undocumented APIs, old CrypKey is one example of such protections. The copy-protections are big compatibility killers. Sometimes things can be fixed by DIY methods, eg. debugging, but we're talking about old (obscure?) business app (booooooring), so chances of someone helping you with the problem is very low, especially since there's not much information to go from, so unless some random person shows up and guesses what you're dealing with, it's all just a pointless guessing game. Generally, well-written programs from over 20 years ago may work fine, others relying on obscure specifics from the operating systems of the era may not. And compatibility modes activatable from .exe's properties' compatibility tab are just collections of specific compatibility shims dealing with specific issues, that's why they're not the magic cure for everything. Worse, it seems most people don't even know they can be deployed in controlled-manner with Compatibility Administrator, part of Windows ADK (Assesment and Deployment Kit). Plus, some shims aren't documented or may support undocumented command-line parameters, which may or may not help. In the world of old games, one such compatibility shim is DXPrimaryEmulation and a popular command-line parameters that goes with it is -DisableMaxWindowedMode. You will likely only find out about it on community forums. Again, we have games doing strange things or things that don't work like they did on old graphics drivers, so may not work properly or have visual glitches, but for those, we have for instance whole old DirectDraw/Direct3D APIs up to version 9 re-implemented on top of Direct3D 11/12 and game-specific patches, all community work. Business apps on the other hand...yeah, good luck with that, they're not Mozart's symphonies or DOOM. There was a time I used one such app, Perftech ERGO, version 1.39, updated in 2003-2004 era, uses InterBase 6.0 SQL server and a licensing system by CrypKey. From what I remember, there were some delays when ran on Windows XP, I clearly remember startup delay, but it's possible there were also delays when opening forms. But it worked fine on Windows 2000 and Windows 98 SE.

Hello, I use an old version of autoruns to manage my startup applications. It's version 12.03 from 2014. It works great from Windows XP to Windows 10. Occasionally it crashes on start. But all you have to do is try again and it works. It's a very powerful tool as it lets you delete services as well if you want to get extreme. Just run it as administrator. https://www.filehorse.com/download-autoruns/17787/ You can check if your issue happens with autoruns as well. I didn't test because I use XP 64 so it's different. I never set up post 2009 thing since I don't think it's compatible.

still not ok for me.... win10 still the best for my work

In this precise case, my ISP provider has nothing to do with it, I'm blocked by that chinese company (their server blocks me from viewing the page itself, but the connection is established). I'm sorry you had terrible experiences with French IPs. It's not France that blocks, it's the companies that don't want to see the French on their websites. In France we have Freedom Of Speech, Freedom Of Choice. In Vichy, especially ! For me, it would seem rather weird to use VPN just to obtain legal soft from a legal (?) website, so my opinion about the shady company stays. But thanks for your time !

And looks like this one is also russian ! Unfortunately I'm quite busy lately and I have no time to do a proper research, so please go ahead and prove otherwise .

ok im downloading the media creation tool and will be install windows 11 shortly I also found the model of the 1030 I have supports windows 11 (I have the newer model)

New topic:

In China, many extensions we couldn't to use, thanks for the GFW...

Perfect, thanks for the news!

Notice: while upstream updated harfbuzz to latest release (7.1.0), I can't do this because it breaks compiling in VC2015. instead, I'll try to update it to 3.2.0 for the moment.

Finally, after 1 year, Windows Update V4 now works, but not the Windows Update Catalog. It's still buggy. But @WinFX did a very nice job!

... Well, e10s is a numeronym; "10" denotes the number of letters omitted between the first one, "e", and the last one, "s"; see also this article; for similar numeronyms i18n and L10n, Wiki has a separate entry here ...

I don't have more info at the moment, sorry

Why is the list of updates available to install not displayed though?

Hello MSFN members ! We have news, thanks to @WinFX :

That imporssible, if you know some Chinese, you must be know the Qihoo 360 was the garbage company in our heart...

Now have a Motorola One 5G Ace smartphone. First ever smartphone, quite the learning curve.