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<copied from a Google search> Windows Defender was first introduced as a downloadable anti-spyware tool for Windows XP (Service Pack 2) and Windows Server 2003, then became a built-in feature starting with Windows Vista, evolving into a full antivirus suite with Windows 8, and is now part of the integrated Windows Security in Windows 10/11. </copy> If you allow/enable "Windows Updates", then it can add Windows Defender. I always disabled Windows Updates when I ran XP x64 so I am unsure if Windows Defender would have been installed via that route.

I examined the crash dump files which were created for the PSANHost.exe process after crashing. The crashes also seem to be related to the module psankrnl.exe. And they occur precisely every 60 to 65 minutes, so to say absolutely periodically. Maybe, a time bomb inside the setup file which will be activated when the version has become too old? The Panda Antivirus 21.01.00 setup file is already more than three years old. And if this theory turns out to be true, I'll be really furious and have to reconsider my opinion of Panda.

I installed Supermium, Version 138.0.7204.298 (Official Build) (32-bit) on win XP SP3 on Dell Dimension 4700 this AM. All seemed well -- it rendered even a brand new site that MyPal shows as garbage --until I entered an incorrect address and Windows Defender stepped in to protect me. WD? Where'd that come from? I thought it was part of Win 11. One reason I run only obsolete systems is to get away from the Microsoft nanny state. It's continued presence would be a deal breaker as far as daily use is concerned. So: 1. Where did this come from? Is it really part of Supremium? 2. Is there a way to turn it off? I looked at lots of options but ... way too much to comprehend and nothing labeled as 'Windows Defender.' Thanks for any help!

Everyone, sorry for all the typos, it's a dry winter here, in Canada at my location. Caught dry eyes.

Nah, not really. Just typed too fast. I edited my post but you read it before my edit went through. Regardless, the bottom line here is that Supermium users only have themselves to blame if they are "opting IN" on these 'protection services'.

I'll leave it like this until it's fully investigayed by a trusted party, which is @Dave-H in this case. The suggestion is to open up the default browser, not changed settings at all. Then try to save fake paswords or login to somewhere unimportant, see what IPs it knocks onto.

I would have to investigate further. ie, Supermium can be keeping the setting in the GUI but that doesn't technically mean that the setting "works". Doesn't really interest me further at this point. Not at v138 at least. Who knows about future releases.

On the contrary, It was said to the user that didn't think Supermium was stealing passwords. You again read wrong. That's why the bold text is now used.

No, I made a request, suggestion to the admins to check it. Read carefully what I write. Nothing is "on me". That is indeed right!!! But Supermium pretends to be Ungoogled, and Russians wrote that it exists in Ungoogled Supermium! Which can't be since the real Ungoogled has it OFF by default. So it's a lie by Supermium. No proof meeded in this case. Check the flags.

You made/forwarded/cited this so-called claim. The burden is on you to prove it. Citing two people arguing in Russian is no proof of anything. If you can't prove it, it doesn't exist. But technically, I AGREE WITH YOU. No skin off my back either way. Supermium couldn't log into my bank. But yeah, I did try, and yeah, I *immediately* changed my bank password after the failed login attempt. Supermium (and all Chrome forks above version 79 [December 2019]) have password data breach "protection". Personally, if you "trust these", you only INVITE man-in-the-middle and you VOLUNTEERED for your password hash to be TRANSMITTED !!! You REQUESTED it be analyzed via THIRD-PARTY to see if it exists in the wild. You ASKED for that when you opted in for the "protection". This is no different than VOLUNTEERING your local files to be SUBMITTED to antivirus firms if you allow them to be scanned by antivirus software. Technically, I AGREE WITH YOU, there *ARE* settings in Supermium (and all Chrome versions since 2019 !!!) that transmit data that I **OPT OUT OF**. But for the enduser that does "trust" the 'service', I leave that up to them to decide on their own, I would suggest they disable these "settings". But there will be just as many that claim they are "safer" having some embedded Chrome "service" acting as their "nanny" to protect themselves from themself.

Forgot to attach the translation. Several members, including this one, contradict one member that tells "no passwords and their hashes are transmitted". Another "silver" (high rep.) member gives a link to his investigation and writes "Don't make such categorical statements. I observed this activity (stealing passwords) many times."

Screenshot. One of many,

I shan't, can't give the links publicly without the violating of the forum rules because Russian forums contain cracked Western software, nevertheless, I can share with our dear admins via the messages. In the meantime, what do you suggest, ecaxtly? Probaly could make your own investigation?

Without some sort of PROOF, this shall be considered "fearmongering".

I found it out by accident, we have Supermium user(s) with identical names on MSFN and other forum(s) . Their names came out from the search relating to Supermium, resulting in the finding of another forum. They made a research. I used translation, and I was horrified! Luckily, I didn't put my paswords there! Unsurprisingly, Russian forums contain cracked Western software, so I shan't, can't give the links publicly, nevertheless, I can share with our dear admins via the messages. That said, to be completely fair, I don't know how well the Russians can be trusted. Probaly Dave could make his own research?

ASAP. Not advised for banking and important stuff. It would be fatal since even the "Ungoogled" Supermium broadcasts, transmits the passwords to third parties. Tell later.

By that time they will bump up the minimum version, you'll wait in vain. Supermium lags behind for at least several versions.

This one is easier to use. But also doesn't let me use an EQ in conjuction with it. https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/decibel-limiter/jhdflfacjalpcajleapijmclnbilnjlh

This seems to be a great replacement for Audio Compressor. Audio Compressor was "always on" but this one has to be "turned on" whenever you load a web site. I haven't yet looked at the code to see if it can be configured to turn itself on. This one doesn't let me use an EQ in conjuction with it. https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/audio-limiter-pro/nbegknfbjphdkfigiepacdkichbmdaof

Seeking suggestions to improve video streaming experience. 1) ability to save presets specific to Computer A's speakers, Computer B's speakers, and Computer C's speakers 2) ability to prevent things like action movie LOUD scenes from being TOO LOUD 3) should work on multiple web sites (ie, not YouTube-only types of extensions) My current config uses two extensions that work decent for the most part. But one of the two extensions (Audio Compressor) has a tendency to LOCK UP (video freezes and/or stutters) and needs disabled/re-enabled quite frequently. Re-enabling also requires the streaming video web site to be reloaded. Currently using Audio Compressor version 0.1.28 in conjunction with Ears Audio Toolkit version 1.3.12. https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/audio-compressor/daomidlfpcfjchpalpjogmnhabkekbnn?hl=en https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/Ears: Bass Boost%2C EQ Any Audio!/nfdfiepdkbnoanddpianalelglmfooik

yesterday i can successfully boot my 98 from nvme! 0) (early) i convert my nvme gpt disk with installed win10 to mbr type, w/o data loss. unfortunatelly, i use already existed win10 recovery partition for new 98 copy - format as fat32 lba 545 mb at end of disk. it was wrong. 1) (yesterday) i move win10 ntfs part at disk end (cant delete it - there is value data), make new fat32 CHS part 500 mb at disk begin, format it and copy existed 98 folder from other disk. 2) at start i forget copy new build of SweetLow's driver, so use build w/o vsd, and after boot get many bsods "write error on disk C:" and garbage in file system. after SweetLow told about, i update driver, and get properly work 98 in protected mode. also verify booting in safe mode - here also all ok. now i will try grow this partition to 8 and then to 20 gb, for new tests.

i think, it is just stupid typo in code: they want "eat less cpu time if user is active", but get reversed.

yes, new build now prodice sounds on line out... garbled exactly as i make some tests with SoundCheck (req KernelEx), and sometimes get slightly stuttered, almost pure sound, but this result was very unstable.

Disregard. Based on bank account login, I will need to wait until Supermium releases a v140 or higher. But even then, I also forgot that Supermium will never be able to work with Widevine on Netflix (not a showstopper, per se).

So I admittedly find myself fully rethinking Supermium on MODERN HARDWARE. We tend to think of forks like Supermium existing only for the sake of "keeping XP alive" or for "ancient hardware". I "was" a member of both! We all know the type, frowning upon friends and family using anything but XP and using our ancient hardware as somewhat of a "badge of honor". Again, we all know the type, we kind of saw ourselves as "better than" folks with newer computers and "better than" folks that use Win10 or Win11. I have *zero* regrets in "finally" upgrading to a HEAVILY TWEAKED *ancient* and no-longer-supported version of Win10. So I saw things like Supermium as "not for me" (mainly due to *horrific* experiences with Supermium when I was on *ancient hardware*, so why use it on modern hardware?). That changed yesterday... My bank account "forced me" to upgrade from Official Chrome v136 to Official Chrome v140 back in November. The force was actually several months prior to November. November was just when I finally realized that an "older browser" was the ROOT CAUSE for login "extra steps". As of today, I will be running Supermium as my DEFAULT. At least for the sake of testing must-have web sites (bank account, pay my utility bills, et cetera). I don't know (yet) if v138 will be "new enough" for my bank account login. So why "downgrade" when v140 works for everything I need a web browser for? Well, and unsure why it took so long, but it only hit my v140 *yesterday*. I had a "screen_ai" folder suddenly appear in my browser profile! Some 106MB "extension" that Chrome added "under the radar"! I caught it during download and before "install", but just seeing it sneak in, well, basically p#ss#s me off! Reading into what it "does" is kind of scary. I can see SUPERMIUM (and maybe other forks "targeting" XP / 7) as a route of preventing this "under the radar" AI [BS].