Supermium

[Dave-H]

I guess things like Cloudflare captchas are more a defence against bots than anything else.
A forum operator, for instance, wouldn't want a bot potentially harvesting all their members' e-mail addresses, so it is fundamentally privacy concerns.
Something which works in some browsers and blocks the site in others doesn't make sense, though, and we're not talking about ancient browsers here.

[j7n]

I was able to load forum.zdoom.org with User Agent Switcher in Supermium 132, but not in New Moon where it keeps cycling on "finished TLS handshake". The site is focused on an old video game. Having it require the latest software to work rubs me the wrong way, which is also consistent with their new versions require modern Windows. It is not essential for me to read this site. But I suspect how this may happen with more servers soon.

[user57]

j7n  seems already figured it out, as thought it´s nothing special to draw/show a "new version" would provide
that´s why specific data is like stolen from your computer like the OS, x32-x64 mode, browser version
then their server refuse connection - while the code would work - while the display also would show everything
(the trick to then display a false error message or making a crash is a old trick to try to hide the real concerns)

so it was exactly what we thought

the thing with bot´s are that they are not limited to a version - special these are getting upgraded and with "Ki-like" improvements they are sometimes not to detect either way
so you have forum moderators to keep the things clean of something like this
and there are bot detectors already - if these fail, very likely a version check also fails

so i dont think its a security concern rather the common establishment of new versions (where they then have rights to login into your computer)
its not different from the pedophile or terrorist question
it is not made for that - its a gate opener for them (such as company interests - that dont care about privacy concern for example, or want to sell your specific information (what is worth up to million of dollars)
as i already wrote in a different topic - they not doing that for these things 

they are trying to find a spot like "now win10 can happen, now win11 can happen" -> read terms of use -> if it not standing there no problem 
next terms of use
its like a cut they trying to create
this progress was seen over many many years for now - so they overtaken many many spots (and placed company interests - not pedophiles, not terrorists, no security concerns)
and as i wrote at some point if everybody would have a webcam at home 24/7 you might find 1 pedophile, a terrorist or maybe even a bot
but thats not what they really want the relation is far to off that it could be that
the logic is far more simple -> open me the gate and yaaaa there could be pedophile, terrorist or a bot somewhere, wait did you say domestic violence ? sure this certainly was the reason now we can do this

its a fault to think always from 1 to many or from a few to many
thats part of their "trick chest"

who is interested what that website really is doing, j7n seems to have tested it out:
https://www.whatismybrowser.com/detect/what-is-my-user-agent/

oh i forgot - thats things a company never should have the right to do so - if something is going on its a police or higher concern 
you guys litterally give company everything about you - just if the right "keywords" are used 
and the companys have lawers, influencers also people at the police and politics - so they are trying exactly this somewhat somehow

 

and something about banking - its not the win7 winxp users that have these problem - known problems who have this are happening in win10 or maybe now win11 (you can google how many data or things in this relation are happening like every day) and the majority are not the elders OS´s

 

to say my clear meaning again these are not questions for company´s, these things are police stuff like placing a hidden camera (but then you would you say company come in ?) company´s are not allowed to do so ... but they are coming - hidden - slowly - and step by step more having these things - and this problem we just talked about is something like this - over what a such thing they place these things

"open me the gate" 

[DrWho3000]

On 11/16/2025 at 12:33 PM, Dave-H said:

It doesn't work in Supermium 132 (I'm waiting for 138 to become an official release before updating).
It does work in Firefox 145 (on Windows 10).

when is next new release

[Dave-H]

No idea I'm afraid, it's up to Shane the developer.
138.0.7260.295 R6 has been in pre-release for a week now.
Presumably if no show-stopping issues come to light, it will become the first 138 release soon.