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chrome is a programm doing such a independent own solution, i think you can take either from supermium or e3kskoy7wqk they might already know more precise what exactly you need, IE8 with tls 1.3 would be a idea in theory

the internet explorer 8 suppose to have tls 1.2 with some upgrades the standlone ie8 installer dont have tls 1.2 there KB4019276 is the upgrade for IE8 for tls 1.2 recently i wanted to test my installer, i looked on the windows update catalog and the biggest upgrade is ? the IE8 installer so i was thinking to try it on a bigger KB upgrade https://msfn.org/board/topic/187777-new-and-probably-a-lot-faster-installer/ look for kb4467770 + kb4019276 + kb4493435 + kb2598845 (english/us) or (GERMAN) there should be a downlink link there is a problem but - and im not certain where it actually come from if i use the orginal installer from IE8 almost no websites is opening (a few are opening) like theoldnet.com so i tryed both - the orginal one from microsoft and the one from me both have identical results (same goes if the side-upgrades are added) what i wanted to try is to test TLS 1.2 - but it dont do the test (either microsofts or mine) so hard to say where this is coming from - if you know i would be happy about that weird enough i have a .iso with sp3 with IE8 (without tls 1.1 and tls1.2) (like the normal IE8 installer (blank) has) there some websites are opening if you want to build in tls1.3 directly into IE8 you would need to figure out where the IE8 selects for example tls1.2 and at that progress you have to hand that over to your tls 1.3

someone did something like that from what i know it use a proxy where the proxy then handles tls1.3 https://msfn.org/board/topic/183352-proxhttpsproxy-and-httpsproxy-in-windows-xp-for-future-use/ it is build from openssl i think but he rather tell you the story

we talk a little away from each others, the "fix it" part was for notheretoplaygames not for K4sum1 and we have like 100 % the same meaning: "2) We-the-consumer can just slip back to a previous version - IT AIN'T GONNA HURT YOU ONE D@MN BIT TO USE A PREVIOUS VERSION." i totally agree on that one, but what notheretoplaygames also says is that he has to much of upgrades he says always something like "that upgrades go a little to fast" but here is where i tryed to point out you can fix this version trick - i dont have to repeat what i wrote about that, its a version trick in short again also you only missing the part with version 8 - thats the last one from the "common trick list" - there are certainly more - but having these would be ok for now and it does indeed work against that "fast upgrade problem" the other part regarding the user agent - if r3dfox has a problem with the new versions - yes the user agent is a solution that work against that - it might not fix it totally - but it would be a step into the right direction that same thing also goes for supermium - what is even the problem to searching for the value that is being added to not_a_brand with "version 8" ? thats the only thing you missing, its only 1 thing

fact is some of them are doing this, and they will do this in the future why you just cant fix it ? what stands against that ? you leave up an option you certainly can fix - so to say i also understand it its a one time fix, its not like you have to bring out 150 versions of it ancient or not they are doing this but that i already said and the other thing both firefox and chrome have these - why we can not compare them in that matter ? what they are trying is a version check - while they offer zero new functionality a solution for this idiocy is to fix exactly that - a changeable version then they no longer can point out that bullXrap instead they have to rely on a new functionality - what they often dont do its like with a d3d9 vs d3d10 question - there is barly any improvment either video or 3dmodels and what they would do they would make a check for d3d10.2 and say - ha see now this dont work anymore for what purpose ?

hmm when you either stuck, dont want to make more of releases, coming to an end, versions dont go high quickly then it might be time for the same thing as in the supermium then it would be time for a user agent changer, build in

ty notheretoplaygames (picture 1) in the first 2 pictures i can see 2 different things at the first upper picture the "file edit view history bookmarks tools help" looks like a menu having that at the spot of the "window title" (picture 2) then "file edit view history bookmarks tools help" has gone downwards its no longer at the part of the "window title" instead at the window title now it has "Customize r3dfox -- eclipse r3dfox" and below it shows "file edit view history bookmarks tools help" it very much look to a menu (picture 3) in your second post you are showing v151 where the windows title is not showing "Customize r3dfox -- eclipse r3dfox" instead it shows what it shows in (picture 1) the menu "file edit view history bookmarks tools help" is at the window title in the second post (picture 4) does not show a differens so we can discard this one that also refers to a common problem devlopers often have (also supermium) often something is coming in like "this dont work - then like nothing else - no pictures - not where it happens - not how it happens - not even what the problem is - and often the most important: how it is to reconstruct to happening" - but rather you need to reconstruct the error - so you can see what the problem is

the title bar is there with correct names and reacting correct ? dont sound to bad for me it somewhat looks like the window title bar - i dont know if NotHereToPlayGames means that if it is that problem there are solutions that draw a "tab like title bar" - sumatra pdf use one for example, if that is the problem it certainly is solveable maybe someone put up the right pictures - like version before - like chrome 151 normal on win10 (representing a visable working picture, so everybody know what is meant), how it looks on redfox (might already be posted), a normwise representation what is suppose to be or how it suppose to look like

from what i remember "in the wild" was a description for commercial buiness style guys useally they have something they dont like/want (like XP) also useally the meaning exits that only they are professionals and only their work and what they want should exits (again xp is such an example, they do not want to have it, the title in the c-runtime question was changed from "getting rid of xp" to "Remove XP (and Server 2003) support") - that shows what they want - they could have keept it - but they dont - "they are the professionals - they "should" decide how this is going on" so now if something was around they called it exits "somewhere in the wild" - what they cant get rid of so easy, but they useally always try you are leaving them a possible option to remove your programm "from the wild" by tolerating Not_A Brand with "version 8" - this one should be changeable - or at some point they will use this one in the past i pointed out to build in the the user agent (build in no plugins) would be a good idea - now that theory is proofen to be right we are not a company, we are not a big concern, we are not microsoft i think modders, retro, maybe open source stuff rather would describe this kind of software around here but the stuff around here often actually is good, its not like that here are dump people or something rather its the opposite

do you maybe know know why this dont work ? https://msfn.org/board/topic/187777-new-and-probably-a-lot-faster-installer/ it dont come from the installer itself - as the normal one from microsoft also has the same problem (both IE8 alone and IE8+upgrades) for example youtube.com dont open - it just says "connection failed" theoldnet.com is opening, but its not a modern website and dont explain why youtube dont but if i use a common sp3 iso, the websites like youtube.com are opening - they are not fully functional - but it dont just say "connection failed" sp3 from a iso : https://ibb.co/tP2K2nk7 IE8 either installer (untouched) from microsoft or from my installer: https://ibb.co/t10jkBD im not trying to get the IE8 back, we have chrome - but i wonder what is going wrong here

that is a kernel extender it seems to be a overkill just for file read tool - why it cant make a simple text string with normal code it might have been compiled with a newer version of visual studio 2019 i thought i might talked about this already https://msfn.org/board/topic/182888-how-vs-makes-working-code-still-incompatible/ the vistual studio 2019 v16.1 to v16.7 dont have that problem - all after 16.8 - 16.11 have that trick inside it is a hidden .obj file, where in the c-runtime code/ucrt/std depening on how we call this is forced to being used you can see the header and cpp files - but if you edit them it never reads that code - instead it always force to use that .obj file - what is precompiled with that code that use vista+ functions as said in that article that compiler makes a code that runs without your code and it runs before your programm is starting up (and there are these missing functions - even if they are not used in your code)

only one thing is missing then, in "Not_A Brand" there is a last version at the end, it has a 8 there

https://ibb.co/s9GjRTzb so far good job, as suspected these are often the same values and are connected to each others - also as expected unlike the plugin the source code often change both up the 3 in brands are snipped together you can definatly tell - this not a brand maybe needs a small rework as it dont show something like "8" to me it shows version 99 (but i have a unchanged official chrome 109 on that windows 7 machine) that not a brand apears again in sec-ch-us-full-version-list again with a oddly weird version of "8 " Sec-CH-UA-Platform-Version also shows me "0.1.0" not 10.0.0 - i dont know if thats a normal value either for supermium or that chrome browser i use (it might be bugged - but i can say its unchanged) so i would say finding what makes that value 8 is the only missing thing at the moment the legacy string you have not shown us, maybe that one is imperfect but so far again - well job

an alternativ that always will work is www.virustotal.com when you downloaded something you can upload it there but more likely it already has been uploaded, in this case you get the results by instant after that you useally can open it up safely

it seems these are somewhat all called somewhat "user agent (UA)" for the normal UA a function is offered by the browser in this case supermium then somewhat it either talks about java offering these values or HTTP both are controlled by the browser either way it is very likely they access the same data just with a different request form (that has to be in the browser) why would there be a problem to find where these strings maybe values are stored ? they dont look very different to me: https://browserleaks.com/client-hints#client-hints-description then you already find a description (and unlikely a plugin you have the source-code - something far beyond a plugin) https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/NavigatorUAData/getHighEntropyValues navigator.userAgentData .getHighEntropyValues ([ "architecture", "model", "platformVersion", fullVersionList", ]) then somewhat "Low entropy hints" https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTTP/Guides/Client_hints they are part of HTTP thats a old protocol for webbrowsers microsoft offers this code in short: userAgentData.getHighEntropyValues(["platformVersion"] then: majorPlatformVersion = parseInt(ua.platformVersion.split('.')[0]); (ua probaly mean user agent - while this is going into majorplattformversion) (this makes it move to majorplattformversion) then: if (majorPlatformVersion >= 13) https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-edge/web-platform/how-to-detect-win11 "User-Agent Client Hints (recommended) - Sec-CH-UA HTTPS header navigator.userAgentData JavaScript method" "User-Agent string (legacy) - User-Agent HTTPS header navigator.userAgent JavaScript method" so the 2 java methods are: navigator.userAgent and navigator.userAgentData

but that is not some kind of joke ? why would it be a problem to changes a few lines of code if (has_unwanted_user_agent) close_connection(); if (has_unwanted_client_hints) close_connection();

first : did you change the client hints (all)? second : why would someone cloudflare whatever not use both (user agent, and client hints) - sounds the most simple solution to me third: its not possible to hide it some outside java.dll or something. the executable/browser/chrome has to give that values to the next engine (whatever it is winhttp, winsock, maybe something else? - nobody cares) if this would not be the case every chrome version could not give it to something next so it must be in chrome itself - its rather about finding where these values are handled - and then being changed forth: you have shown a nice skill, why it actually would fail on something like this ? you litterally got the code around and the compiler search functions can find something like this - the rest is about compiling and testing (there are test websites also for the last part)

ok then just change these too, they are probaly some strings somewhere you have the source code you probaly can search its connections, my computer is not very fast chrome in v110 or something already took 2 weeks to compile - but with a compiler and compiled i could certainly change these, so i think you can do this too

we have to be more specific then https://www.useragents.me/ https://deviceatlas.com/blog/list-of-user-agent-strings these are suppose to be changed rightly not just one of them, what ones are missing? if the client-hints are missing why they are not changed either way? https://browserleaks.com/client-hints

wasnt there a user agent switcher ? j7n talked about it quite often - or why it cant be changed - it actually has to be somewhere in the code

about that one if its not a event problem, how about a debug version - chrome compiles slow for me like 2 weeks but advance debug information should show where this come from

https://msfn.org/board/topic/186953-supermium/page/151/#comment-1287479 windows offer functions for directorys often they are sniffed together they offer like C:\ - (rootdrive) C:\windir - (aka C:\windows) the others are then sniffed together like C:\windows + \spool = C:\windows\spool %windir%\system32\DllCache = C:\windows\system32\DllCache ExpandEnvironmentStrings is a such core function a other is SHGetSpecialFolderPathA https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/api/processenv/nf-processenv-expandenvironmentstringsa https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/api/shlobj_core/nf-shlobj_core-shgetspecialfolderpatha %ProgramFiles% (probaly like rootdrive (c:\) + (Program Files) = c:\Program Files %ProgramFiles(x86)% for example is not for x86 its a folder for 64 bit OS on 32 bit this function fails %APPDATA% for example is different in XP to win7 but in xp it is C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data with %ProgramFiles%, %APPDATA%,%SystemDrive%,%ALLUSERSPROFILE% and %windir% - you probaly can make all the folders you need also often this strings are often stored somewhere in the registry

to me it tends to have a classical problem the thing with the open source suppose to be free, and allowed to be used by anyone with 1 exception, if the use is commercial but that is not was always has happend at some point like youtube like google - they got buyed or rather this open source thing is not what open source represents anymore so microsoft "buyed(probaly only contributed)" chrome and made edge out of it, youtube is full of ad´s now (while there was not a single ad in the past - how can it work if in the past this worked well ?) also they offer streaming to buy - also not very "past-youtube" like - also the realname must, real email, smartphone ect. so the rather defintion - they switched the side - now they are just a commercial company - like microsoft - microsoft is a good example because they never where open source - open source was a challenge for commercial companys like linux vs microsoft exactly this has happend in all of the past of open source history ... so if they see this "oh well now i like it and we buy it - everything changes" = commercial buisness/company (thus they can always eat up open source - and this is what always has happened) and this is not what open source community was made for it just was : challenge to commercial buisness, free, allowed to use for everybody (and 1 exception for commercial use) now instead just the big companys and the company´s use these things - so by the definition thats what they are now i think thats basicly also the problem - as long they was the elder-definition all of these things did not happen also i want to point out its like a steal they buy it up at some point and then they use it for their purpose so open source has nothing and company has everything - again

interesting since when it works for windows xp ? it once was only win7 i special like this one WebGL hardware acceleration - it suppose to speed up the video playback quite a lot

youtube dont play on that "ISO IE8" either but it opens a website: https://ibb.co/93VK03sm - somewhat it is working - like on many other websites they are not fully functional dont get me wrong im not trying to make IE8 to a IE11 or Chrome v150 so that youtube works tls1.3 directly into IE8 (rather then a proxy - maybe a nice checkbox like it has for tls1.1 and tls1.2) would be a idea but since there is chrome version 150 for windows xp - that would raise questions to do so what i was trying to do it to test out the installer for function, so i looked up that windows update catalog for the biggest of all the upgrades available - and that was the IE8 (blank) installer with around 17 MB size then it seems to have fully functioned - so i tryed out the IE8 - to compare results i have tryed a .iso with IE8 (that one opens at least in parts) it dont seem to be a problem of the installer from me - because in this case the normal IE8 installer from microsoft would have worked so i was wondering what really is doing that difference