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On 10/20/2020 at 5:25 AM, ArcticFoxie said:

AGREED!

My computer has FIVE monitors and it's not uncommon during research projects to have FOUR of them with New Moon Windows each with a DOZEN or so tabs.

NM27 is much more responsive than NM28.

If you want to run a test, use this version of NM28 - http://o.rths.ml/palemoon/palemoon-28.1.0a1.win32-git-20180922-3c04affe2-xpmod.7z

That NM28 version will be just as snappy and responsive as NM27.

It was shortly into the 28.2.x versions that the NM28 sluggishness set in.

@roytam1 Why do you not acknowledge this as an issue, or at all?

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For those using the good old youtube addon and getting the json txt file download prompt a Russian reviewer (had to translate) suggested toggling in options Page fix methods/Other Pages to off. So far that seems to have worked, although it often goes to the newer format when searching.

Wish Google had left youtube alone but nobody ever expected they would . Maybe the anti-trust lawsuit against them will keep them busy for a while :--).   

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56 minutes ago, DanR20 said:

For those using the good old youtube addon and getting the json txt file download prompt

... Another (English writing) reviewer noticed that:

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EDIT: json.txt download search bug is only happening if I'm logged in it seems. Tried the search while logged out and it did work. Hopefully there is some solution for this out somewhere, I'd rather like to stay logged in :D

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So far changing the Other Pages to off option has fixed the search problem for me.

We all know this can end at anytime as soon as google finally pulls the plug on the old format but I'll make use of it as long as it's there. 

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3 hours ago, asdf2345 said:

@roytam1 Why do you not acknowledge this as an issue, or at all?

You shouldn't hold your breath on getting a direct reply.

Roytam offers SEVENTEEN different browser builds if I counted correctly.

You need to find one that "balances" most of your needs - you will NOT find one that meets "all" of your needs.

It took TWO YEARS for an "about:permissions" bug to get 'partially' fixed in NM27.

I personally hold the view that a "patch" applied INCORRECTLY actually INTRODUCES security vulnerabilities.

That didn't stop people from using NM27 during those TWO YEARS.

We do have a "large following" here that FALSELY thinks they are "secure" just because they update their browser 'weekly'.

 

That is NOT meant as any disprespect, so to speak.

We all have differing perspectives on "security" - 'to each their own'  :)

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@i430VX

I updated my Roytam1 installer scripts to account for:

1) Hostname changes (breaking)

2) MailNews directory renaming (breaking)

and a few more things.

Now, everything works as expected again.

I also found other issues with the script I hadn't found before since I don't use the other programs. Those are fixed now to the best of my knowledge.

CHANGE LOG:

Last updated 2020-10-24 with following patches:
- Hostname changes and MailNews rename fix
- MailNews directory renames to match repository
- Borealis to bnavigator dir renames to match repo
- Created Borealis directory creation script (previously missing)
- Fixed inherited K-Meleon Goanna directory inconsistencies and script issues
- Fixed inherited Firefox 45 SSE script issues

Latest revised scripts can be downloaded at the top of the page here: https://w2k.phreaknet.org/

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On 10/22/2020 at 10:18 PM, soggi said:

The latest version still supports Windows XP, I run Notepad++ 7.9 myself without a problem on it.

IT runs with no problem, but many times it says "the file doesnt exist" when opening using double click. Opening from inside notepad++ (file>open) works fine, even identifying the relevant directory from which the failed double clicked file was originally launched. If anyone has had this issue and have  solution, please share it. Cheers!

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I'm not generally a huge fan of "benchmarks" because they focus too much on graphics and I don't do a lot of videos or YouTube.

But here's one that touts to focus on "the responsiveness of web applications" - https://browserbench.org/Speedometer2.0/

Below are my results on an i7-4770 running XP x64 (I run 32bit browsers even though on a 64bit OS) [higher numbers are better], "mileage may vary".

 

NM27 27.6.0a1 (2017-10-29)  ==  36.6 +/- 0.39

NM27 27.9.7 (2020-10-23)  ==  36.3 +/- 0.47

Arctic Fox 27.10.2a (2020-10-23)  ==  36.3 +/- 0.67

Mypal 28.2.2 (2018-12-12)  ==  27.2 +/- 0.64

Mypal 28.14.2 (2020-10-13)  ==  28.86 +/- 0.25

BNavigator 0.9.7559a1 (2020-10-09)  ==  27.5 +/- 0.31

Basilisk/Serpent 52.9.0 (2020-10-23)  ==  27.28 +/- 0.15

Chromium 49.0.2623.112 (2016-12-24)  ==  59.8 +/- 0.81

Chromium (Advanced Chrome) 54.15.5320.0 (2017-10-29)  ==  51.6 +/- 1.3

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2 minutes ago, ArcticFoxie said:

I'm not generally a huge fan of "benchmarks" because they focus too much on graphics and I don't do a lot of videos or YouTube.

But here's one that touts to focus on "the responsiveness of web applications" - https://browserbench.org/Speedometer2.0/

Below are my results on an i7-4770 running XP x64 (I run 32bit browsers even though on a 64bit OS) [higher numbers are better], "mileage may vary".

 

NM27 27.6.0a1 (2017-10-29)  ==  36.6 +/- 0.39

NM27 27.9.7 (2020-10-23)  ==  36.3 +/- 0.47

Arctic Fox 27.10.2a (2020-10-23)  ==  36.3 +/- 0.67

Mypal 28.2.2 (2018-12-12)  ==  27.2 +/- 0.64

Mypal 28.14.2 (2020-10-13)  ==  28.86 +/- 0.25

BNavigator 0.9.7559a1 (2020-10-09)  ==  27.5 +/- 0.31

Basilisk/Serpent 52.9.0 (2020-10-23)  ==  27.28 +/- 0.15

Chromium 49.0.2623.112 (2016-12-24)  ==  59.8 +/- 0.81

Chromium (Advanced Chrome) 54.15.5320.0 (2017-10-29)  ==  51.6 +/- 1.3

Hmm, I might try that and confirm if there's a difference between old and new New Moon 28

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Just now, ArcticFoxie said:

Oh yeah, forgot to add NM28.

NM27 has always "felt" much more responsive than NM28 - at least now I have a "benchmark" that kinda proves it also :)

 

NM28 28.1.0a1 (2018-09-21)  ==  25.3 +/- 0.44

NM28 28.10.2a1 (2020-10-23)  ==  27.7 +/- 0.34

Hmm, maybe the best option would be to try porting Jetpack to NM27, but I don't know who could do it

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4 minutes ago, ArcticFoxie said:

I'd concede to majority consensus, but my vote on adding Jetpack to NM27 would be a resounding NO.

Don't need it, don't want it, to me it would be "bloat" added to very fine product.

So why is a easier way to write addons that work without a restart "bloat"?

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26 minutes ago, ArcticFoxie said:

Oh yeah, forgot to add NM28.

NM27 has always "felt" much more responsive than NM28 - at least now I have a "benchmark" that kinda proves it also :)

 

NM28 28.1.0a1 (2018-09-21)  ==  25.3 +/- 0.44

NM28 28.10.2a1 (2020-10-23)  ==  27.7 +/- 0.34

Just FYI,

Firefox 82.0:

66.6 ± 1.1  :o

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On 10/19/2020 at 6:30 PM, Jody Thornton said:

I apologize if it's already been referenced, but the thread is just too long.  But is there a way to extend the compilation life of x86 Basilisk 52?

My mom runs real Basilisk x86 on a 32-bit Windows 7 installation.  They run a lot older 16-bit Windows and BOWEP games from the early 90s, so 32-bit Windows 7 is just easier for them.  I suppose they can just continue to run the final 32-bit Basilisk release, but I just want to keep browsing safe for them.

Should I post this in the Windows 7 forum instead?  XP compatibility is no longer needed, but I figured this was the best thread to discuss all things Moon-Matt.

https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=25397

I don't think THEY'll bat an eye. "Download more RAM"? What an immature response. So unless you want to build the entire browser from source yourself, roytam1's fork is probably going to be the most accessible option in the future.

You also get some bells and whistles that the upstream dropped, like early WebExtension support. It might be a bit slower in places, at least theoretically, due to usage of critical sections instead of SRW locks. Maybe roytam1 could implement runtime check in the future, use SRW locks if available and critical sections otherwise. Some folks run Vista and they could benefit as well since Vista already supports SRW locks.

When the time comes, I'll make a switch.

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