VistaLover Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 16 hours ago, Dylan Cruz said: Apparently this browser is called Nightly. As in nightly builds? I don't know. Neat name, nonetheless In this case "Nightly" is the default app name in unofficial Firefox branding; Roytam1's offering is an unofficial (unbranded) fork of Mozilla's Firefox ESR 45 branch... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asdf2345 Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 24 minutes ago, VistaLover said: A number of Jetpack SDK extensions can be force-installed (but non-guaranteed they'll function as designed) in NM27 via the Moon Tester Tool extension (v1.0.2 should be preferred in NM27, because it also supports Firefox Complete Themes and Mozilla dictionaries ; both were dropped in recent Pale Moon 28.1x.*/29.0.0a6, thus latest MTT 2.0.1 also axed support for those... ) https://repo.palemoon.org/MoonchildProductions/UXP/issues/120 was the upstream UXP issue that tracked this for the transition Pale Moon 27/Tycho -> Pale Moon 28/UXP Noice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UCyborg Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 22 hours ago, Dylan Cruz said: Quote I personally delete all such runtime DLLs from programs' folder and let them use the ones installed system-wide. Some, but not all Firefox browsers' dependentlibs.list file contains those DLLs' names, they should be deleted from it to avoid "Couldn't load XPCOM" error after deleting the DLLs. What's the reason for doing this exactly? In this case, it seems there's no guarantee that would be installed in the first place, so this could backfire by not working for many. Shouldn't be a problem if all VC++ redists from 2005 - 2019 are installed. I do it so i don't have duplicates and for such libraries, it doesn't make sense that each application has its own copies as they're supposed to be shared resource. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soggi Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 15 hours ago, VistaLover said: (NB: OT content, NPP related ) It's probably Notepad++ bug #8010 on XPSP3/2003SP2, which started with NPP v7.8.3 Notepad++ bug #8010 was closed as WONTFIX; dail8859, a member of NPP's organisation, plainly states that XP is not supported anymore: Naaahh...that's disillusioning. :( I hate this "fading out" of support...there are often more and more bugs and no "final version" or such until a certain software is completely unusable. My imagination of an ending support of a software for a certain OS is, that there are still bug fixes...but I also know that either the required man-power and/or the interest in it (due to different reasons) is missing. Not satisfying... kind regards soggi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotHereToPlayGames Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 (edited) Ugh, I kinda get tired of hearing this "stuff". And I know that the "philosophy" or the "ideology" or the "sociology", whichever best classifies it, is not only difficult to explain, but also difficult to grasp. An excerpt from thougtco.com - https://www.thoughtco.com/ideology-definition-3026356 Ideology is a system of concepts and views which serves to make sense of the world while obscuring the social interests that are expressed therein, and by its completeness and relative internal consistency tends to form a closed system and maintain itself in the face of contradictory or inconsistent experience. ~Terry Eagleton </end exceprt> I love my Win XP - and my love for it is an "obscured social interest". Others here love their Win XP (or their Vista, as the case may go) - our shared love of our obscured social interest is "internally consistent". We are a "closed system" - whether we are conscious of being closed or not. We stand hand-in-hand in defense of our obscured social interest even "in the face of contradictory or inconsistent experience". We know that XP is less secure than 10 - but we don't care, we have more dominant justifications to use XP. ie, "obscured" We know that security vulnerabilities exist in running an old OS but we attempt to draw the line at running an old version of Notepad++ ??? ie, "in the face of contradictory or inconsistent experience" ie, "even more obscured" Again, we are a "closed system" - and our "social interest" is *obscured* (ie, unclear and difficult to understand, especially to those on the "outside" of that 'closed system'). It really is NOT "our place" to push "our world view" upon those 'on the outside'. If Moonchild wished to abandon XP, it is their (his?) prerogative to do so. If Notepad++ wishes to abandon XP, it is their prerogative to do so. et cetera... I don't know, difficult to explain, difficult to grasp. I love my XP and as "closed" as that may be, at least you guys are just as "closed", lol. But I myself do attempt to remain conscious of living inside that "closed system". And, while opinionated as I am, I do try to "know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em, know when to walk away" Edited October 27, 2020 by ArcticFoxie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotHereToPlayGames Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 (edited) Re: Notepad++ I personally use PORTABLE software pretty much exclusively. My version-of-choice when it comes to Notepad++ is version 6.8.8. It's not only the first version to color-code .rdf and .xul, but I monitor installer size and it's among the SMALLEST .paf.exe versions by a very wide margin. Edited October 27, 2020 by ArcticFoxie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roytam1 Posted October 27, 2020 Author Share Posted October 27, 2020 15 hours ago, UCyborg said: Shouldn't be a problem if all VC++ redists from 2005 - 2019 are installed. I do it so i don't have duplicates and for such libraries, it doesn't make sense that each application has its own copies as they're supposed to be shared resource. not really for mozilla related products. there is a list to check if required runtime files are in same directory as xul.dll when starting up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UCyborg Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 There's little more behind dependentlibs.list than the mere check for listed DLLs. Arbitrary DLL may be dropped in the application directory and have its name added to dependentlibs.list before xul.dll and the listed DLL will be loaded at application startup. The reoccurring pattern is that said .list file lists non-system DLLs that xul.dll depends on, with xul.dll being the last on the list. I don't see a good reason for existence of dependentlibs.list and the logic behind it. When it comes to actual dependencies of xul.dll, they are resolved by the operating system when the library is loaded. Why the extra code to load them explicitly? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asdf2345 Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 On 10/21/2020 at 12:02 PM, RainyShadow said: How does one write a simple extension for NM27? It has to modify requests to YT by adding pbj=1 to the address and the following two headers: X-YouTube-Client-Name: 1 X-YouTube-Client-Version: 1.20200731.02.01 I tried looking in existing extensions to modify one, but just couldn't wrap my head around all that JS... Doing these manually i was able to load the classic layout. [edit] These numbers are from the Good old youtube extension, Old youtube has the number 1.20200806.01.01 instead Any progress? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RainyShadow Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 1 hour ago, asdf2345 said: Any progress? None. Busy days, pfff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmiranda Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 On 10/26/2020 at 12:03 PM, VistaLover said: (NB: OT content, NPP related ) It's probably Notepad++ bug #8010 on XPSP3/2003SP2, which started with NPP v7.8.3 Notepad++ bug #8010 was closed as WONTFIX; dail8859, a member of NPP's organisation, plainly states that XP is not supported anymore: Copy that. Pspad works perfectly. I guess that solves my choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siria Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 RainyShadow said:How does one write a simple extension for NM27? It has to modify requests to YT by adding pbj=1 to the address and the following two headers: ... I tried looking in existing extensions to modify one, but just couldn't wrap my head around all that JS... ATTENTION, next Mozilla Apokalypse already this December - in 4 weeks! Example, such important pages: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Archive/Add-ons/Code_snippets https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Archive/Mozilla/XUL/ and thousands more. Everything about HOWTO code for pre-FF57 gets now DELETED :-((( Mozilla said:Support for extensions using XUL/XPCOM or the Add-on SDK was removed in Firefox 57, released November 2017. As there is no supported version of Firefox enabling these technologies, this page will be removed by December 2020. I tried to check if Wayback has backups, using a few example pages, but for most found nothing at all. Then tried to guess original version URLs by removing "/Archive/" in URL, but that didn't work either: When Mozilla moved pages to that /Archive/ link, they also changed the rest of the path structure completely :( For example this current page: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Archive/Add-ons/Code_snippets contains still an original old link to https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Code_snippets/StringView BUT it gets now redirected to: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Archive/Add-ons/Code_snippets/StringView_library old URL: docs/Code_snippets/StringView curr URL: docs/Archive/Add-ons/Code_snippets/StringView redirected: docs/Archive/Add-ons/Code_snippets/StringView_library example-2: old URL: docs/Mozilla/Tech/XUL/Attribute/ curr URL: docs/Archive/Mozilla/XUL/Attribute/ Then did a mass check and was first glad to see thousands of archived pages, with or without /Archive/, but at second look most are stoneage, 2009, 2014... And if not knowing the exact URL, that's an almost lost case too. Best would be if anyone gets the wayback team to store https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Archive/**** as a complete project again... (Disclaimer: researched this a few weeks ago, after the quoted post above, no idea if perhaps meanwhile things have improved or not) . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VistaLover Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 @siria : https://udn.realityripple.com/ https://udn.realityripple.com/docs/Archive Salvaged documentation for pre-WE (aka "legacy") add-ons: https://udn.realityripple.com/docs/Archive/Add-ons/Add-on_SDK ... Thus, you can relax a bit now... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RainyShadow Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 Some useful links here: Where can I learn how to develop addons for Palemoon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soggi Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 (edited) On 10/27/2020 at 10:26 AM, ArcticFoxie said: Ugh, I kinda get tired of hearing this "stuff". ... I don't know what you're talking about... I think software with bugs / performance issues / security flaws fixed is better than not fixed software...so also Notepad++ with a fixed file loading bug would be better than a not fixed version, though it doesn't concern my own workflow. kind regards soggi Edited October 29, 2020 by soggi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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