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Yes, you are right, javascript engine at the 76 level. The goal is 78-79 level, left not so much to do.

then you may try mypal68.13, it seems to work. (just to remind that mypal68 can cause BSoD on some systems, better save your works before testing it!)

yeah, someone may report this to upstream via repo's issue tracker or their forum. but who can take up this job? (I can't as my position stands(or say, being standed)) and my advice: if you're going to report this to upstream, better register with different handle name than here's, and capture different screenshot which is not disclosed here, if you have newer OS environment, you may test with official PM32.1 to see if whatsapp is working on official build or not. and report to them if it doesn't. and FYI: mypal68.13 works (with general.useragent.override.web.whatsapp.com="Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:78.9) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/78.9" (without quotes) in about:config)

About Cauldronfare fail with "browser outdated" error 1. It does not like 'firefox68' so just remove it form the UA string general.useragent.override;Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Mypal/68.13.0 works But this is not good because affects all web may break other sites for sure. I put site specific override but it does not works, will to think why, then to change the UA string by other means like extensions. 2. set network.http.sendOriginHeader;1 in about:config thanks to @roytam1 thanks and to hope

MyPal68 requires a "modern" CPU (SSE2 able or beter IIRC), Plus it will only run stable if you have Windows XP SP3 In theory it should not require you to install Visual Studio 2017 runtime because it already contains all dlls in its directory. So in short if you got Windows XP SP3 + Pentium4 or later it *should* run. then again I just say *should*

the changes between them is here: https://github.com/roytam1/UXP/compare/e36be164d...5ae83c47f and I think what you want is: https://github.com/roytam1/UXP/commit/1270657ba0b345912ab8a86f27467d7788116ae7 and eventually here: https://repo.palemoon.org/MoonchildProductions/UXP/issues/1975

As sad as it is to see, I'm certain there will come a day where 7 will also no longer be able to suit my needs. It will be unfortunate, but I will most likely move to a Linux-based OS such as Mint and theme it to replicate the look and feel of XP/7. Themes and a bit of fiddling with WINE can make Linux more comfortable. I think this would be a great idea for anyone uncomfortable with W10 or W11, but are unfamiliar with navigating Linux. (Although some people have managed to get Steam working for XP beyond 2019, that too eventually broke over time. Some things just don't last forever.) Doesn't mean I wouldn't still use 7 or XP from time to time, though. I'll always have either one on a drive on-hand. There's hundreds of legacy and offline applications that are too useful to die off. @cmccaff1 mentioned this.

Although I am actually not a friend of Google, I love to do many things by using a tablet. Apple is no choice to me for many reasons , so I am an Android user for many years. Searching the internet, researching and reading books or articles is the main intended purpose of my tablet. Many of my posts are written under Android and its most recent browsers. It's very comfortable and easy. As a respite from the Chrome or Chromium world, I then enjoy surfing with my UXP browsers under Windows XP.

Finally, after 1 year, Windows Update V4 now works, but not the Windows Update Catalog. It's still buggy. But @WinFX did a very nice job!

After lots of testing with newer OSes, I feel better about making the leap to 7+ in the future. For now, I am happily sticking with XP. Microsoft truly outdid themselves with this OS, in all its various flavors and evolutions. Compatible with lots of vintage and modern hardware and software, lightweight and fast, with rock-solid stability. I find that XP is still perfectly fine for offline use...there are tons of programs that will keep it useful forever. The only real question mark going forward is web browsing...of course, I'm keeping my fingers crossed for whatever the future holds. One thing I will say with regards to web browsing is that if you can make good use of user agent spoofing/switching, you can get a lot of mileage out of 360 and other XP-compatible browsers to this day. The mobile versions of most sites, where applicable, still seem to work fine in old browsers and should render with no major graphical bugs. Of course this doesn't work with all sites, but as much of the web is mobile-optimized now, it is a lifeline for XP-compatible browsers as more desktop-optimized sites continue to be redesigned/updated to take advantage of whatever the latest JavaScript standards are.

I believe what this means is that improvements were made to the JavaScript core compared to the 'stable' Mypal68. If I was reading what Feodor wrote correctly, 68.13 improves it to Firefox 76 standards, which seems to mean improved nullish coalescing & optional chaining implementations along with other important back-end upgrades. Of course, I could be completely wrong on this one, but that's what I got out of it.

I learned the speed-up-then-coast back when "hypermiling" was a big thing. One of my "favorite" things to do is see a RED LIGHT over half a mile up the road and take my foot off the gas and coast the entire half mile.

To be clear, what you have called "Win2k-basic-gray" is the base window styling of an inactive window. When the window is active the title bar appears as a blue gradient by default. The appearance of these Title Bar stylings are not unique to Windows 2000. Since, I believe, an edition Windows 98, Microsoft started using Title Bars with a blue gradient styling by default. The exact default gradients, as seen in Windows 2000 family operating systems, and I believe also Windows Millennium Edition, became used and thereafter used. As of Windows XP RTM, the operating system provided for its own skinning of windows (the skins are known as Visual Styles) as part of the Themes system service. As of Windows 8, disabling the system skinning is still possible, but not normally (disabling the Themes service no longer would work) and it appears that the operating system was adjusted so that it does not normally happen; a user wanting to disable or opt not to use the visual styling would have to do quite a bit of much more complex work to achieve it (I do not recall exactly what). I have set my system (Windows XP Professional with Service Pack 3) Display Properties to use "Windows Classic style" for "Windows and buttons" (see attached picture for reference). I see the Windows Classic style gray (with gradient) title bar whenever a window that is not set as active displays and so long as the there is no styling being provided by another source (such as by a software program). There can be only one window with a designation of active, so all other un-skinned (by the operating system) windows would have the gray title bar. I work with many windows and I see very many gray Title Bars while doing so. In the case of 360Chrome, I only encounter the regular, unskinned, title bar (gray (inactive) or blue (active)) when the application crashes, and usually when I interact with something in a window or elsewhere (for which case I think the operating system interacts with the Title Bars of the all open windows). Presumably, the display of the true window Title Bars happens because the skinning program or program that displays a non-standard, customized window (as is the case with 360Chrome) fails to maiming its skin functions or painting and then the title bar part of the window is otherwise interacted with by other process (such as the operating system; the rest of the window may still display as it was last painted prior to the crash). I am not sure where the "above" and "below" are referenced/quoted from and cannot provide a good answer to the question. Yes. For both active and inactive Title Bars, the default height is 18 pixels. The default windows border (shown when the window floats and is not maximized or minimized) size is 3 pixels, a white pixel between two gray pixels. The window boarder is rather interesting. When the boarder is set in the Advanced Appearance dialog box (both Inactive Window Boarder and Active Window Boarder both change together), the resulting boarder is the given amount plus some. When the boarder is left at the default size of 1, the resulting boarder is 3 pixels, one while pixel between two gray pixels. When the boarder size is set to 9, the resulting boarder size is 12 pixels, 10 gray pixels, extending from what is otherwise the window, followed by a white pixel, and then a gray pixel. I have not decreased or otherwise changed my Title Bar heights. Windows_Classic_Style_TIF.tif Display_Properties_Advanced_Appearance_TIF.tif

In terms of compatibility between protection programs, I can confirm that Malwarebytes Premium v3.5.1 is not compatible with either Avast Premier 18.8 or Panda Dome 22.00.00. However, there should be no problems with Malwarebytes Free v3.5.1, as it does not have real-time protection.

The download page still says Windows Vista - Windows 11 for current version 5.11.2427. Is that an error? Missing APIs?

Well, the only drivers that will work will unlock your USB ports. You can download them from here. (these drivers were originally posted on msfn, but the download some download links are broken) Having USB it's great... you can use a cheap Wi-Fi dongle (not the latest gen, but older with B/G standards), USB storage etc. USB sound is supported, but you might get some stutter so you better go with a cheap PCI sound card or something like a Sound Blaster Live! which is also dirt-cheap... As MrMateczko said get on of those video PCI-E cards, I had problems with GoForce 7 series on different configurations (they not officially supported) so it's better stick 6 series or a PCI-E ATI...

I work with git since my first mypal, and the merge thing is always annoying, i have decided never use it myself, i found cherrypeeks do well instead merge. As for svn it was just simple things. @chermany4ever If your pc match written above and you want while can't run mypal68 please go to https://msfn.org/board/topic/183495-mypal-68 and ask there, until i online.

@legacyfan KB4056615 is replaced by KB4463103

@Joaquim Check XP2ESD to build fully updated modern Windows XP installer, which can be used from Rufus without issues.

not github specified, but general git usage/concept. unfortunately this is how git works, and it could be more troublesome if in svn/cvs way. (for having a upstream-tracking branch and a dev/work branch for actual porting and merging in same repo)

Yes! this is it, and now no need to build, just set network.http.sendOriginHeader;1 Although never liked and used the merge thing on the github i thing it does a mess.

No drivers are available for the integrated GPU in either of those motherboards, use VBEMP or GeForce 6000/7000 series or Radeon X300/X500/X600/X1050/X700/X800/X850 PCI-E GPU, or a PCI GPU. Use PATCHMEM, user AHCI driver if you want to use a SATA HDD/SSD. Can also use IDE/PATA HDD which is the easiest option. Install 98SE with "SETUP /p i" switch to disable ACPI which causes issues. Use unofficial USB drivers for USB 2.0/Flash Drive support. No drivers available for the integrated HD Audio, use cheap USB Sound Card or PCI sound card. As for LAN, might try drivers from here: https://soggi.org/drivers/realtek.htm

Numeronym! Precisely defined (just as we know you ) and mathematically interesting! I appreciate this kind of marginal note.

In terms of Protegent Antivirus, there is a review on Softpedia: https://www.softpedia.com/get/Antivirus/Protegent-Anti-Virus.shtml To be honest, I never heard of this program before, though. But it seems indeed to be XP-compatible and quite well known in India (and probably in other eastern countries). Anyway! Another option which has to be checked more deeply.

Fine, in mypal i have intl/icu with disabled these vista-7 things, i replace with my icu. Next i get erro about ulIvBits here https://github.com/roytam1/UXP/blob/4200e26d23da41410b7b7f5a5a6110b381df44e2/dom/crypto/WebCryptoTask.cpp#L638 Actually it is no any ulIvBits elsewhere. I wonder how did you build your 20220806, please tell how to reproduce. glad to see you here! and for your question, the rev you provided points to `tracking` branch. corresponding rev pointing to `custom` branch is https://github.com/roytam1/UXP/commit/e36be164d23b9b9d02240a44d2f028a4045567af

Steam will no longer be supported on Windows 7 and 8.x with January 2024.

Hello @feodor2! Great to hear development is ongoing especially in terms of the JavaScript engine! Hope you are well despite all existing problems in our world In any case, I'm already very excited about a new release from Mypal 68. Best wishes and greetings from Germany, AstroSkipper

That's why on browsers that allow me to build with both static and shared linking options, I like to do local shared builds, but public static builds. RetroZilla takes ~126 MiB RAM using Windows XP SP3 and Visual C++ 6.0 SP5 to build rzbrowser.exe with static libraries, but only ~83 MiB RAM to link gklayout.dll with shared libraries. Using Visual C++ 2003 bumped the RAM usage of rzbrowser.exe from ~126 MiB to ~178 MiB, but I don't believe I tested that compiler with shared libraries (~117 MiB would be my guess if I did). Building shared libraries of RetroZilla Browser will result in a bin directory size of ~20.5 MiB excluding MSVCRT.DLL. Building static libraries results in a bin directory size of ~18.5 MiB (I don't remember the exact bin size because I more commonly do shared builds instead of static builds, not to mention the differing build configurations I often use that will sway the bin directory size slightly).

Thanks, yeah it had to be said, I'm tired of that trio of users saying hi to each other every day and then placing each other upvotes for their ego-boost, it looks very silly and spammy ! I used the Italian antivirus on my girfriend. She is my testing grounds. The amount of time it was used is very short. but I can say it's very light-weight, I know for sure because she runs on a very cheap Pentium CPU I bought for her on sale for 45 Euros in 2017. Pentium G(smth) - Kaby lake with fake cores. The one they use in office machines only.

... Well, e10s is a numeronym; "10" denotes the number of letters omitted between the first one, "e", and the last one, "s"; see also this article; for similar numeronyms i18n and L10n, Wiki has a separate entry here ...

Very nice. I don't think I've tried Serpent before. I will have to give it a test. (Also, nice to hear you are also a fellow Android user! )

I use Windows 7 or Android if Windows XP fails. To be honest, I do many things on my tablet under Android. I am a fan of UXP browsers for years. I use mainly New Moon 28, Serpent 52 and Serpent 55.

Hahaha; I personally refrain from logging into certain things on XP out of an abundance of caution, though I'm certain the majority of malware nowadays probably target more modern OS's and hardware. It's nice to hear that you still get use out of it, to the point that it's still a daily driver. XP and 7 are both my daily drivers (they get equally used almost every day, but if I had to pick one I'd have to go for 7). I must admit I didn't like 7 at first, but I've grown quite attached to it over the years. Also a lot of things that are no longer possible on XP are still possible on 7 (like installing and running Steam games, a must-have for playing with my nephew). It seems a lot of browsers are no longer supporting XP as of late. What browsers do you use? I am currently using a fork of Pale Moon called New Moon, but would appreciate hearing any other alternatives (besides MyPal, as while it's nice it does not fit my needs. Many webpages would not load properly on MyPal.)

An XP user at Avast Forum says he prefers version 18.5 to the final 18.8 because the latter has “resource hog issues”: https://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=220639.300

Dear @AstroSkipper, why did you ignore this question? I asked it to ensure if I understood correctly what you said or not. Please respond. Thank you. That comment was actually not meant for you. And a member here will probably decide for himself whether certain contributions require a statement or not. BTW, I never try to say anything, but I say it as clearly as possible, in most cases even crystal clearly. Regarding your reply I didn't say it doesn't matter to me generally, but in most cases it doesn't matter completely to the companies where I am or was a customer. And that has already been the case for a long time, unfortunately. It used to be different, but you can't understand that because of your age. Apart from that, this is all completely off-topic again. We want to move on here. Content that would serve the topic here would be much more important and appreciated.

No problem here when shopping on Amazon in my browsers under Windows XP, and have been for years. Without @roytam1 this would probably no longer be possible. Windows XP is my main OS, and I do all there, as far as possible, of course.

I have to say that I believe Windows XP as an OS will always be usable, even if in an emulated form. With the amount of legacy software out there, it will be worth something, whether if it's simply to run older games or programs for older hardware. In fact, I just installed it recently to a spare drive for use on older websites and for running DOS games. I use it for viewing sites like Bitview, FriendProject and RetroBook, all of which were made to emulate the 2006-2009 era of the internet. However, I wouldn't use it to login to more serious pages though (like Amazon for example).

New build of Serpent/UXP for XP! Test binary: Win32 https://o.rthost.win/basilisk/basilisk52-g4.8.win32-git-20230401-3219d2d-uxp-c867bd4fe-xpmod.7z Win64 https://o.rthost.win/basilisk/basilisk52-g4.8.win64-git-20230401-3219d2d-uxp-c867bd4fe-xpmod.7z source code that is comparable to my current working tree is available here: https://github.com/roytam1/UXP/commits/custom IA32 Win32 https://o.rthost.win/basilisk/basilisk52-g4.8.win32-git-20230401-3219d2d-uxp-c867bd4fe-xpmod-ia32.7z source code that is comparable to my current working tree is available here: https://github.com/roytam1/UXP/commits/ia32 NM28XP build: Win32 https://o.rthost.win/palemoon/palemoon-28.10.6a1.win32-git-20230401-d849524bd-uxp-c867bd4fe-xpmod.7z Win32 IA32 https://o.rthost.win/palemoon/palemoon-28.10.6a1.win32-git-20230401-d849524bd-uxp-c867bd4fe-xpmod-ia32.7z Win32 SSE https://o.rthost.win/palemoon/palemoon-28.10.6a1.win32-git-20230401-d849524bd-uxp-c867bd4fe-xpmod-sse.7z Win64 https://o.rthost.win/palemoon/palemoon-28.10.6a1.win64-git-20230401-d849524bd-uxp-c867bd4fe-xpmod.7z Official UXP changes picked since my last build: - Issue #2176 - Don't reconstruct the parent when tearing down display:contents nodes with pseudo-elements. (dd2697172) - Issue #2175 - Fix build bustage in WebRTC. (1788589ca) - Issue #2155 - Split Nestable to ds/ and EmitterScope to EmitterScope.{cpp.h} (81691afbc) - Issue #2155 - Move NestableControl classes except ForOfLoopControl to BytecodeControlStructures.{cpp.h} (a8ac1cac3) - Issue #2155 - Move TryEmitter and ForOfLoopControl to TryEmitter.{cpp.h} and ForOfLoopControl.{cpp.h} (70e1654c3) - Issue #2155 - Add SwitchEmitter (2554a83d1) - Issue #61 - Reinstate buildability with shared gkmedias dll (371d7cf05) - Issue #61 - Place Skia in libxul (6b3767c44) - Issue #61 - Add configure option for non-windows platforms (924bf92e4) - Issue #61 - Add missing external symbol cubeb_set_log_callback to gkmedias symbols.def (c85f28b0c) - Issue #61 - Add missing external symbols for gkmedias when WebRTC is built (6b510a74e) - Issue #62 - Get --enable-shared-js and --enable-export-js working again, and fix link bustage related to ICU when doing shared lib (b171da18f) - Issue #62 - Fix xul.dll link bustage related to MovableCellHasher. (2c8387f4f) - Issue #62 - Fix xul.dll link bustage relating to JSErrorNotes. (6890cdd9a) - Issue #62 - Fix xul.dll link bustage related to JS::ubi::DominatorTree. (ed30a9646) - Issue #2165 - Build ICU as a shared library if we're building Spidermonkey shared. (bad884a7c) - Issue #2165 - Follow-up: Always build ICU as shared lib in Windows. (18e43fad2) - Issue #324 - Follow-up: Remove more traces of *INTL_API. (9ff14017e) - Issue #2165 - Disable LNK4217 and LNK4286 warnings when linking ICU as they're too spammy. (f09b0002e) - Issue #62 - Always build Spidermonkey as shared lib in Windows. (66eaa872f) - Issue #1831 - Add an option to enable TLS 1.3 "compatibility" mode. (ca93d4b42) - Issue #2180 - Add pref to control NSS TLS 1.3 protocol downgrade sentinel (dc4bf9b82) - Issue #2180 - Follow-up: Move sentinel check up a bit. (f6f0a495a) Official Pale-Moon changes picked since my last build: - [Pale-Moon] Issue MoonchildProductions/UXP#61 - Add gkmedias back to package-manifest (d7a120958) - [Pale-Moon] Issue MoonchildProductions/UXP#2165 - Support ICU as shared library in packaging. (f284afab4) - [Pale-Moon] Issue MoonchildProductions/UXP#2165 - Follow-up: Simplify OS detection for MOZ_SHARED_ICU check. (64bc4788e) Official Basilisk changes picked since my last build: - [Basilisk] Issue MoonchildProductions/UXP#61 - Add gkmedias to package-manifest (e6ed122e1) My changes since my last build: - [Basilisk] Issue MoonchildProductions/UXP#2165 - Support ICU as shared library in packaging. (09138ab01) - gkmedias: add missing `_moz_cairo_scaled_font_get_hint_metrics` export, fix linking (68d130e55) - [Basilisk] Issue MoonchildProductions/UXP#2165 - Follow-up: Simplify OS detection for MOZ_SHARED_ICU check. (c867bd4fe) Update Notice: - You may delete file named icudt*.dat inside program folder when updating from old releases. * Notice: From now on, UXP rev will point to `custom` branch of my UXP repo instead of MCP UXP repo, while "official UXP changes" shows only `tracking` branch changes.

Oh, sorry, I almost missed your reply as I'm not checking my notifications enough, thank you for the explanation. Frankly, I surprised there aren't more of us reporting in the forum about this browser. Everything is working just fine for me anyway.

*cough* https://www.nuget.org/packages/Microsoft.Direct3D.D3D12On7 https://github.com/hejmus/win10verhack

No, I'm pretty sure it was Jordan Rachel ! "your" version ? Care to elaborate ? Are you a developer of some sorts ? We already had a developer with "his" chrome versions recently, from the same country, pure coincidence some might say. By the same coincidence, he also couldn't go on with the newer chrome versions.

Hi. I have noticed that whatsappweb allows login and kind of start to load in a fresh profile in sp52. But then ends up spiraling around just like github. Has anyone been able to trick whatsapp into working in sp52?