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It barely differs from IE9 at that stage of development anyways rendering engine wise. IE11 was pretty much the only decent IE since IE5, and it was pretty much dead on arrival for obvious reasons. A lot of why IE sucked though was more to do with maintaining corporate compatibility and Microsoft internal decisions, rather than the actual IE team being incompetent - after all, it was them who started the tradition of sending cakes upon new major browser versions This comes from the IE7 era: Amusingly, they sent them a cupcake when Firefox switched to rapid-release cycle: https://www.geekwire.com/2011/cupcake-firefox-5-microsoft-fun-mozillas-rapid-release/

@msfntor : The good news (be it OT here) is that https://www.darkreading.com/ does load in latest Serpent 52 , however the font they're using does not render well: The solution is to block "remote fonts" in uBO: Back on topic, as much as you (or @XPerceniol for that matter) are enamoured with your DCBrowser , the hard fact remains it (the last XP-compatible version) is based on Chromium 75, whereas all the 360EEv13.x varieties are based on Chromium 86; mind you, "86" is now considered quite "old", too, with Google Chrome being at version 109 (and higher versions even dropping support for Win7SP1 ) ... I can easily replicate your issue with 360EEv12 (Chromium 78 based): Javascript Console error is enlightening: Syntax error is generated because the site (rather a framework the site depends upon) requires support for "?.", the optional chaining operator, first implemented in Chromium 80 (hence why 360EEv13 works ); sadly, operators can't be polyfilled (only transpiled, but at a very steep cost to performance ); nothing that would help your very aged JS engine of DCBrowser, am afraid... In the future, it'b be best to accept that webpage rendering issues in DC are due to it being obsolete when it faces the web of 2023+; make provisions to migrate to something newer (browser, OS, whatever...); this is a hard reality the majority of us face currently... Bon après-midi ...

Yeah, something similar has been done for older versions of MacOS. Someone took a backup of the repo of the last working compile for MacOS 10.7, and then started backporting fixes for it. https://github.com/blueboxd/chromium-legacy. In fact, Chrome now requires MacOS 10.13, but this program can run on 10.7 to 10.12.

It's probably out of their radar sight rather than breaking Pale Moon deliberately. I suspect most devs in general, if they were to look into the browser, would dismiss it as being slow and archaic. I just figured out I can actually check the version through my user on the instance running at workplace, apparently it's updated to the latest 25.0.3. Source code is here: https://github.com/nextcloud/server I found there are 4 files, each containing 2 incompatible class definitions (can't find them on the above link though), running the snippets through Babel and adding Palefill rules to do some search and replace fixes the errors and can now refresh the page without crashing, but I couldn't figure out the CSS magic required to make scrolling work when there are too many files to show at once.

Not really much point, even IE11 barely works anymore. Unless there's some piece of software you use (corporate thing) that requires a later version of IE than 9.x or other fringe reason...

... But the original query there was about "32-bit application support", which I assumed to mean "32-bit application support" under a 64-bit (Vista) OS ... And I believe the screenshot there relates to such a use-case (just take a closer look at the UA...) .... Being a user of 32-bit Vista myself, I'd be the first to welcome any good news about Vista ExtKernel supporting the 32-bit OS archictecture, but it seems we're not there yet...

And, knowing his posts, he wants to stay on Vista with ExKernel than getting a PC with newer Windows to run newer apps. @WinCare We know you want more Windows 10 and later apps to run on Vista, but you must understand a few things. Making an Extended Kernel for an OS isn't as easy as you think. it actually involves requiring much knowledge and experience with IDA Pro, see here as an example. (although it's about NT 4, but it still stands generally). You should be grateful and thank God that someone knowledgeable like @win32 decided to take his time to work on an ExKernel for Vista (even if Vista was badly hated!), and that you are able to run apps with ExKernel that you otherwise, couldn't run on vanilla Vista. All of this wouldn't have been possible without @win32's effort. And maybe, if you mentioned a few examples of the Windows 10 apps that you want to install on Vista, you could maybe get information regarding them, like if it's possible to run them on Vista or not, and reasons why they can't run, etc. That's the purpose of this topic, hence the [WIP] at the topic title (which stands for Work In Progress). But, keep in mind that not all apps run perfectly on Vista with ExKernel. Some apps can run, but with visual bugs or graphical glitches (and require workarounds to run almost perfectly), some apps crash upon running, or doing specific actions inside the apps, Hope this helps. I hope I cleared out everything you need to know. Best regards.

Thank you VistaLover for your wise explanation with the interesting details... I do as you say: I accept without blinking an eye that DCB won't make this site for me - it's their loss. I can get the bad fonts like in your first screenshot when I disable uBlock. But with uBlock enabled, the fonts are as in your second screenshot, whether I have fonts enabled or disabled. To make it easier on the eyes, I use the Owl addon (Owl - Dark Background by tk) v2.2.8 in Basilisk Moebius, which darkens the background. And I confirm that 360EEv12 (based on Chromium 78) won't let you render this site, but that's okay with me - I just use it sometimes for testing...

You could always buy a Windows 11 PC.

Wow, that was quick! This is going to sound paranoid (because it is) but it sounds like the folks at NextCloud discovered - horrors! - that Pale Moon had started working with their Web site and immediately started looking for a new way to break Pale Moon. Can't have non-Google-approved browsers accessing our site - that would be a "security risk!" No, I don't think that's what happened - probably just a coincidence - but given what folks seem to think "security" means nowadays, I can't rule it out....

I really believe a sedentary lifestyle is a recipe for disastrous health.

All corporate news is propaganda, it doesn't matter what country they come from.

AGREED! It's actually quite narcissistic of the MSFN Community to "always conclude" that each and every time a web site is discovered to not work on our ANCIENT browsers that "developers" are out to get us. I assure you that they have much more important things to do than maintain compatibility for ANCIENT browsers.

I think I'm going to watch all 3 tonight as people here just watch the news and wonder why they are triggered, I know I get easily triggered from political news (far left and far right) I'm in the center on most but the far right want to take remove scum like me (their words, Sean Hannity frequently calls us scum and filth) from the earth after they remove all rights. Its just exhausting at the length they would go to prove survival of the fittest and I would fail and lose.

Patience is the main key. I still wait for my queue to test things for modern versions of World of Tanks and Wargaming.net Game Center. I have submitted the required logs to win32 and silently wait for stuff to come, being ready to retest or provide more details.

"Epoch Inspired @EpochInspired Your daily inspiration, with stories of hope, love, tradition, and insights about health, family and art. https://twitter.com/EpochInspired TheEpochTimes.com: https://www.theepochtimes.com/c-inspired " - So I am delighted to be able to satisfy you with this link to other inspiring stories that will make you feel good! You could share some of your favourite stories with us.

FWIW the IE10 preview version reportedly worked on Vista (I’m sure I could find old MSFN posts about that if I searched for a while), but you wouldn’t be able to install any security updates for it. For many years, there have been Vista users who did not bother to install IE9 since they were no more inclined to use it than the default IE7. Even if you had IE10, you wouldn’t want to use it for browsing, so I tend to agree with new member derpo: There’s no point.

I remembered the name. h264ify https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/h264ify/aleakchihdccplidncghkekgioiakgal?hl=en https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/h264ify/

This clears things up a lot more. Thanks!

You're welcome. This is quite simple : 1st - for firefox, youtube usually serves H264 (less CPU hungry, so less stuttering). 2nd - for chrome, usually AV1, VP8, VP9, H265 (very CPU hungry). You may try to play with the spoofing of the User Agent, but youtube can also identify the browser by some other means of fingerprinting. I know there are extensions to tell youtube to use H264 1080p only, but never used them myself.

This helped me right now because I've lost faith in humanity and I think the majority of people are with ill intentions and I'll never trust again, I"ll always keep a firewall up that will never ever come down. Life has taught me, there is only 1 person you can depend on when the 'going gets rough' and that is yourself; period. If you are seeking others for approval there are "Yes People" out there but given enough time the true colors bleed though.

Any update for extended kernel on the x86 version of Vista?

In the task scheduler go to \Microsoft\Windows\Setup and deactivate everything there.

I'm not sure if .NET and Visual C++ is the cause of crackles and lags or not. I have noticed that my host XP will always play the cited video without dropping any single solitary frame! But the same EXACT 360Chrome v13.5.1030 from within inside VirtualBox v4.3.28 will drop FOUR frames for the cited video, that's correct, only FOUR - but playback is EXTREMELY choppy the ENTIRE SPAN of the video. The choppiness has nothing to do with "dropped frames". Playback is HORRIBLE from within VirtualBox despite NOT dropping frames!

YES these problems if browser works without refreshing some time... .NET Framework 1.1 and Hotfix and 2.0 with two security updates... ..and I don't see Visual C++ in Ad/Remove Programs - so I don't have this Visual C++! Is't BAD ???

Guide available to install Office 2013 on Vista!

Any news about the next version of extended kernel? And any progress on 32-bit application support?

Thank you for popping into the café and thank you for the reply - I'll be sure to reply at another time when I can better answer your posting. Overall not too bad today and I did get outside for a short walk in the sun (no people) and I enjoyed it (the trees, the birds) ... important as they (unlike people) never let us down. Enjoy your weekend everyone :)

Mercy me, it is actually May Stuck inside for too long and sometimes you lose track and days blend into each-other. Ugh. Ok: Think February likes March? No, but April May

Regret. I didn't realize how fast the last 10 years would go by.

I'm feeling : (Somewhat) Good. I know MSFN is an awesome forum (no other forum has been like this) with lots of wise people who are ready to help noobs and enthusiasts (I'm a PC enthusiast and not a complete noob) but some people pick fights within topics and that brings the discussion to nowhere, and this is frustrating. Someone (not going to name that person) has already fought with me, misunderstood me and is now very hostile but I don't care as it's not my fault if he misunderstands me. I'm hoping that this behaviour is discouraged. This is all I ask.

Hi, I didn't find a good custom shell folder tutorial with the right registry settings, so I share mine with a Desktop icon, a Start Menu entry and a Folder Option checkbox. This custom shell folder is usable in Explorer (browsable like My Documents) {4c64f810-31ec-11db-a98b-0800200c9a66} is a ClassID given by a GUID generator. You can call this custom shell folder by his ClassID. ex. : "explorer /e,::{4c64f810-31ec-11db-a98b-0800200c9a66}" If you know how to add a checkbox in Display Properties same as My Documents got, please tell me. In the Windows Registry, just OEM Link will be replaced. Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00 ; Custom shell folder name : "Home" (REG_EXPAND_SZ) [HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\CLSID\{4c64f810-31ec-11db-a98b-0800200c9a66}] @=hex(2):48,00,6F,00,6D,00,65,00,00,00 "SortOrderIndex"=dword:00000047 ; Custom shell folder icon : "%SystemRoot%\\system32\\SHELL32.dll,150" (REG_EXPAND_SZ) [HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\CLSID\{4c64f810-31ec-11db-a98b-0800200c9a66}\DefaultIcon] @=hex(2):25,00,53,00,79,00,73,00,74,00,65,00,6d,00,44,00,72,00,69,00,76,00,65,\ 00,25,00,5c,00,41,00,70,00,70,00,6c,00,69,00,63,00,61,00,74,00,69,00,6f,00,\ 6e,00,73,00,5c,00,69,00,63,00,6f,00,6e,00,73,00,5c,00,41,00,70,00,70,00,6c,\ 00,69,00,63,00,61,00,74,00,69,00,6f,00,6e,00,73,00,2e,00,69,00,63,00,6f,00,\ 00,00 ; Custom shell folder required settings : "%SystemRoot%\system32\shdocvw.dll" (REG_EXPAND_SZ) [HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\CLSID\{4c64f810-31ec-11db-a98b-0800200c9a66}\InProcServer32] @=hex(2):25,00,53,00,79,00,73,00,74,00,65,00,6d,00,52,00,6f,00,6f,00,74,00,25,\ 00,5c,00,73,00,79,00,73,00,74,00,65,00,6d,00,33,00,32,00,5c,00,73,00,68,00,\ 64,00,6f,00,63,00,76,00,77,00,2e,00,64,00,6c,00,6c,00,00,00 "ThreadingModel"="Apartment" ; "Folder Shortcut" ClassID [HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\CLSID\{4c64f810-31ec-11db-a98b-0800200c9a66}\Instance] "CLSID"="{0AFACED1-E828-11D1-9187-B532F1E9575D}" ; Custom shell folder real path (REG_SZ) [HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\CLSID\{4c64f810-31ec-11db-a98b-0800200c9a66}\Instance\InitPropertyBag] "Target"="D:\\Home" ; Custom shell folder attributes : ; 0xf0000000: SFGAO_FILESYSANCESTOR(1),SFGAO_FOLDER(2),SFGAO_FILESYSTEM(4),SFGAO_HASSUBFOLDER(8) ; 0x08000000: SFGAO_BROWSABLE(8) ; 0x00800000: SFGAO_STORAGEANCESTOR(8) ; 0x00000100: SFGAO_DROPTARGET(1) ; 0x00000010: SFGAO_CANRENAME(1) ; 0x0000000d: SFGAO_CANLINK(4),SFGAO_STORAGE(8) [HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\CLSID\{4c64f810-31ec-11db-a98b-0800200c9a66}\ShellFolder] "Attributes"=dword:f880011d "WantsFORPARSING"="" ; Show the custom shell folder icon on the Destop [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\HideDesktopIcons\NewStartPanel] "{4c64f810-31ec-11db-a98b-0800200c9a66}"=dword:00000000 ; Custom shell folder checkbox in the Folder Options [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Advanced\Folder\CustomFolderOnDesktop] "CheckedValue"=dword:00000000 "DefaultValue"=dword:00000000 "HKeyRoot"=dword:80000001 "RegPath"="Software\\Microsoft\\Windows\\CurrentVersion\\Explorer\\HideDesktopIcons\\NewStartPanel" "Text"="Show the Custom Shell Folder on the Desktop" "Type"="checkbox" "ValueName"="{4c64f810-31ec-11db-a98b-0800200c9a66}" "UncheckedValue"=dword:00000001 ; Add the custom shell folder to the Desktop [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Desktop\NameSpace\{4c64f810-31ec-11db-a98b-0800200c9a66}] @="CustomShellFolder" Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00 ; Use OEMLink as custom shell folder entry in the Start Menu ; Custom shell folder name (REG_SZ) [HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\CLSID\{2559a1f6-21d7-11d4-bdaf-00c04f60b9f0}] @="Home" ; Custom shell folder icon (REG_SZ) [HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\CLSID\{2559a1f6-21d7-11d4-bdaf-00c04f60b9f0}\DefaultIcon] @="%SystemRoot%\\system32\\SHELL32.dll,150" [HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\CLSID\{2559a1f6-21d7-11d4-bdaf-00c04f60b9f0}\InProcServer32] @=hex(2):25,00,53,00,79,00,73,00,74,00,65,00,6d,00,52,00,6f,00,6f,00,74,00,25,\ 00,5c,00,73,00,79,00,73,00,74,00,65,00,6d,00,33,00,32,00,5c,00,73,00,68,00,\ 64,00,6f,00,63,00,76,00,77,00,2e,00,64,00,6c,00,6c,00,00,00 "ThreadingModel"="Apartment" [HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\CLSID\{2559a1f6-21d7-11d4-bdaf-00c04f60b9f0}\Instance] "CLSID"="{3f454f0e-42ae-4d7c-8ea3-328250d6e272}" ; Call the custom shell folder by using his ClassID : "::{4c64f810-31ec-11db-a98b-0800200c9a66}" [HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\CLSID\{2559a1f6-21d7-11d4-bdaf-00c04f60b9f0}\Instance\InitPropertyBag] "CLSID"="{13709620-C279-11CE-A49E-444553540000}" "method"="ShellExecute" "Command"="&Open" "Param1"="::{4c64f810-31ec-11db-a98b-0800200c9a66}" ;"Param2"="explorer.exe" : Param2 is the executable ignore the file association ; For example, if you want to explore this folder ;"Param1"="/e,::{4c64f810-31ec-11db-a98b-0800200c9a66}" ;"Param2"="explorer.exe" [HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\CLSID\{2559a1f6-21d7-11d4-bdaf-00c04f60b9f0}\shellex] [HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\CLSID\{2559a1f6-21d7-11d4-bdaf-00c04f60b9f0}\shellex\ContextMenuHandlers] [HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\CLSID\{2559a1f6-21d7-11d4-bdaf-00c04f60b9f0}\shellex\ContextMenuHandlers\{2559a1f6-21d7-11d4-bdaf-00c04f60b9f0}] @="" [HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\CLSID\{2559a1f6-21d7-11d4-bdaf-00c04f60b9f0}\shellex\MayChangeDefaultMenu] @="" [HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\CLSID\{2559a1f6-21d7-11d4-bdaf-00c04f60b9f0}\ShellFolder] "Attributes"=dword:00000000 ; Custom shell folder checkbox in Advanced from Start Menu Properties ; Text = custom shell folder name [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\StartMenu\StartPanel\ShowOEMLink] "CheckedValue"=dword:00000001 "DefaultValue"=dword:00000001 "HKeyRoot"=dword:80000001 "NoOEMLinkInstalled"=dword:00000000 "RegPath"="Software\\Microsoft\\Windows\\CurrentVersion\\Explorer\\Advanced" "Text"="Home" "Type"="checkbox" "UncheckedValue"=dword:00000000 "ValueName"="Start_ShowOEMLink" ; Custom shell folder policy (NoOEMLinkInstalled) [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\StartMenu\StartPanel\ShowOEMLink\Policy\NoOEMLinkInstalled] "RegKey"="Software\\Microsoft\\Windows\\CurrentVersion\\Explorer\\StartMenu\\StartPanel\\ShowOEMLink" ; Show the custom shell folder in the Start Menu [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Advanced] "Start_ShowOEMLink"=dword:00000001