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Hmmm does this count? Image only link: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EMMG-8aUcAAYo9i?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

I doubt this post will be very popular, but it needs to be said, for better or worse. It appears to me at this point that everyone is jumping on the renaming bandwagon, despite the fact that it doesn't seem to be an issue of any concern for roytam1, whose project this is, and who does virtually* all the work (*props to those who report bugs and help track issues). I'd like to remind everyone that roytam1 started this as an individual project for his own use, and was kind enough to share it with the rest of us. He has continued to provide "New Moon" along with various other additional utilities, including regular updates and fixes for each, on his own time and with no personal gain from it. He probably never thought it would become this popular, and probably never had any intention of creating an entirely separate "project," especially since he's doing it all by himself in his spare time. And now what do we have.. everyone pushing for things to be changed, just to make nice with the selfsame people who have been so critical of his project and have done their best to cause trouble in the past? Wow, talk about peer pressure. I noted once before, quoting someone else, that those who keep pushing for the changes were in effect doing the work of those who sought to cause trouble. Honestly, I'm still inclined to see it that way. How does a name change actually benefit any single one of you (meaning actual users of the project) who's pushing for it? (Rhetorical question, I don't really expect answers.) I will never understand the "peace at any price" mentality, no matter how many times I encounter it. But now it appears there will be "Peace in our time!" So be it.

for me, I just want a working browser and naming is unimportant to me. If just changing the names and no artwork works need to be done in short period (as I have no time working on artwork and I have no sense about audio-visual), then it can be done. As I have no idea what name to use, I'd create a poll here and let people to choose use names that Tobin given, or a name by other forum member suggested, and also give out a "No" option for reference. if these can be accepted by people, then it can be proceeded afterwards.

Admittedly, there's zero benefit to me from new branding. At best, we'll get some spiffy new icons, and new artwork in Help / About, but the core functionality of our UXP-derived browsers isn't changing. The difference I see is that this time, @Matt A. Tobin is offering to do a good portion of the necessary work. And I don't see that we're sacrificing anything; if we are, please enlighten me. I'd be much more dubious about this if I though we were losing anything concrete .

It doesn't matter, because Windows Media Foundation doesn't exist in XP. Microsoft added that feature in Vista. On Win 7, I often set media.wmf.enabled to false for testing (so the browser won't look for it, forcing it to use alternate media decoders such as Primetime). You might also set it false if your Windows version has a WMF bug you find intolerable; otherwise I'd leave it at true for normal browsing.

biggest issue are drivers for a modern gpu, amd blocks the install of any modern driver, even though it will install ok on windows 7

@Matt A. Tobin , @Mathwiz , @dencorso , RT (obviously) @VistaLover = Special Consultant (because not 'Branding' oriented) I would suggest the above 'team' to work with Matt A. Tobin on BRANDING (RT). With 'Mathwiz' being the 'main interface' with Matt A. Tobin. 'Mathwiz' did the 'PULLS' for RT Browser 'HELP Menus' to annoy Mr. Tobin LESS. I do not see Matt A. Tobin as say: "The Enemy of 'Old Boys' Who Insistent on using Windows XP OS" Let 'us' (RT) move toward Matt A. Tobin, rather than away from him. Added Later: I realize not everyone sees this as I do, but my viewpoint remains as expressed above here. So, not likely to change my viewpoint as expressed this message. I do not see any 'downside' to letting 'Mathwiz' and 'dencorso' see if they can improve matters via working with 'Matt A. Tobin' on BRANDING. RT seems open to this on the basis that as long as RT can keep compiling his RT Browsers with no problem, then okay enough for RT. 'Mathwiz' did already make things better via doing 'PULLS' to change the RT Browser HELP menus to aim at more appropriate URLs (links).

I also created a thread related to this topic. You can find some more information there:

@NoelC and others reported that file system operations are faster in 8 than 8.1. 8.1 was 5% slower than 7, and I believe 8 was quite close to 7.

Well, if you're just using the desktop - and you're not planning to use the Metro apps or the touch environment at all, Windows 8 does provide some benefits over Windows 8.1 that are as follows: There are no known telemetry updates in Windows 8 that plague both Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 Windows 8 does not have any known CPU blocks (which affected update support). Then again, Windows 8 went out of support in January 2016, so any updates you get will be manually applied from Server 2012 anyway (you can get these from the Microsoft Catalog) No GWX Nags! So you have a Windows version that's fairly modern, and that Microsoft leaves pretty much alone. You can't run IE 11 (but that hardly matters). Windows Defender still protects the system with updated definitions.

I'm not on XP (as you know already), but the last "legacy" version of the Browsec VPN (actually, proxy) extension (v3.16.16) does install and work as expected under Serpent 52.9.0: BTW, I used CAA to access it (caa:addon/browsec)

The original Chinese version connects to state-owned servers, but the Russian repack in blackwingcat's link has the telemetry stripped out (confirmed using Kerio firewall connection requests). Aside from that it doesn't seem to have a negative effect on the OS.

This is quite normal for the browser running on Windows XP, and it will persevere even when you manually install h264 decoding support in that browser (installing Adobe Primetime CDM or standalone LAV Filters DLLs); that setting only checks for a GPU-provided h264 decoder, it implies you have WMF (Vista SP2+) and a compatible gfx card; my old (end of 2006) Vista laptop I'm posting with doesn't come with such a card (with a H/W h264 decoder), so, while I don't need either APCDM nor LAV Filters for decoding purposes, the browser uses Vista's native WMF decoder only in software mode, thus heavily taxing my equally old Core 2 Duo processor...

No. We ain't. Of course one cannot be sure about anything, that's how things work in life. But when one offers to back his requests with his own hard work (and recognized expertise) , I reckon it's wise to accept. And I do agree there's no downside, whatsoever, to it. ======= Well, I do like most of the proposals. However, Serpent 52 might as well become Moonshine, which sure has a bite, as serpents do. And, if so, the brand might be an alembic. ======= Then again, to speed things up, the finished brandings might be sent to @roytam1 as pull requests to this current structures, so as to avoid having to decide on migrating build structures (or whatever that is called) at the same time the branding issue gets solved, at last.

ROYFOX

The largest the logo icon would be anywhere is 256x256 which is the second largest size. At that resolution it doesn't look as chunky as it does in the 512 size. But let's see..

Looks nice! Simple and effective. I like it.

Well.. I created an icon for the Whistler Branding which would be used on Pale Moon... It is based on a public domain photo of the actual whistler mountain.

I agree with all the line. A fruitful collaboration can be spawned out of this, and I hope @roytam1 will agree.

As I've posted in a previous thread, it is possible to get Ryzen working on Vista, but drivers are kind of a pain to get working. Windows 7 USB3 drivers do work on Vista, but don't try and slipstream them, because they're not signed for NT 6.0. I would recommend first installing using a PS/2 keyboard and a DVD, if possible.

@Jaguarek62: Here is my latest build. Just so you know, it differs from the copy @FranceBB patched by including additional code that tries unsuccessfully to disable DirectWrite. chromiumxp_test_11062019.7z chromiumxp_test_11062019.7z.sig

I'm sorry too; profiles.ini does exist in my Serpent 55 installation: You do need to create a second profile in order for changing the setting to 0 to work, though.

Slight mistake in that first quote: profiles.ini is 2 levels higher, in folder containing "profiles" folder, not in profiles folder itself.

They do have a tendency to stop working, particularly on desktops/tower, in my experience laptops (kept properly) are less prone to this, I personally attribute this to three main factors: the drives (common desktops units) themselves are cheap (and as such they are cheaply made) they are used less and less, and lubricants tend to stick up as they dry up very often a lot of air (and dust) is blown through them by the PC internal fan(s), which makes lubricant dry and hardened by dust ciontamination Usually (on desktop units) all is needed is to disassemble and clean the inside accurately, particularly the lens, of course and in some cases cleaning the sliding parts and putting on them a tiny drop/bit of lubricant and move them manually is needed. You'll need both a vacuum cleaner and some source of compressed air. If you need some lubricant, you want to use Molykote EM-30L (which is a specific grease "safe" for plastic parts) for slides and gear teeths and sewing machine oil for metal rods and gear pins, if you cannot find (or afford) the Molycote (or even better "Superlube") any "white", silicon based grease would do, rule of the thumb i to use the least possible quantity of lubricant, (and that much is already too much, you should have used less ). Of course it is well possible that the unit is simply defective/worn-out, but it costs very little to try and clean/lubricate them. jaclaz