Jody Thornton

Is this issue still happening? Noel was mentioning in an XP/Firefox thread that Windows Update runs in a single core and throttles CPU throughput ... And the updates NEVER come.

Well except this one

Yep! Just run it

What is outlined there sounds more than fair to me, no?

Your welcome Dave. It was especially confusing because on the first moth of this new format (October 2016) I was able to get the update on a web page actually devoted to it, then in November it was only available via the Catalog.

10-4. I won't be too hasty.

I download the Security Only update which is not a month to month rollup. Only the security updates for that month are wrapped up in one file. It is not served to the user through Windows Update. You have to go get it from the Microsoft Update Catalog.

But then why the announcement? It was already known than v27 was a no show. Unless they're just getting users to prepare for v27, but that's not how it sounded.

I was meaning to go through the list of scheduled tasks on my Windows 8 system, and just never got around to it. I'll look at that this evening.

It appears that the plugin though follows Firefox's new Gecko plugin structure, and is not a XUL plugin, so it's not compatible with Pale Moon. So I can accept that. https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=11220 Still, they should have left Pale Moon supporting XP for the remainder of v26x's life. Stopping at 27, perfectly acceptable. I'm surprised no one on Pale Moon's forum flipped out.

OK then when I'm using the XP computer at work, and Twitter displays an embedded video, it says that video cannot be played on this browser. I was told that this was due to an H.264 /HTML5 issue with XP

I just install the security only updates. So far, it's worked well.

Well wait dencorso. I thought it was an OS limitation for HTML5 video, because Twitter videos don't work on Firefox within XP either. Am I missing something? I didn't think that limitation was Pale Moon specific.

As of version 26.5, it's all over. I agree that they should have allowed support to continue straight through to the rest of the v26x series. https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=13702

Wow I never saw that Flash update in the list. Hmmmmmm. Maybe I'm too preoccupied. Nonetheless thanks Greenhillmaniac.

So it installed with aplomb. Did any one else source updates that I might've missed?

Well, it appears that now I can only download KB3197876 from the Microsoft Update Catalog and not from the Bulletins Page. Plus the file name has the SHA1 hash built in to the file name. There were no .NET files of any kind. This appeared to be the only update. So I'll attempt installation now. Here's some info on this in the meantime: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3197876

I know yesterday was patch Tuesday. I will get to it tomorrow morning. Been incredibly busy.

To be fair, I hope you know I wasn't citing your age as a means of questioning your ability or adaptability. I was simply using it as a market share or demographics label. I do think different age groups are influenced differently. No insult intended. I can easily tell you're wise. And no question that top-notch technology combined with greater abilities will provide superior results. I just question whether or not superior results will be much sought after. I think that we are already tailoring our form and function by the limits of available tech. In my sister's example, once an Excel guru, she now just settles for quick and dirty updates on Google Docs. So not only is she utilizing less from spreadsheet technology; there is likely less of a need to develop fancy macros for someone with this information, because the presentation of the spreadsheet doesn't really matter much any more. Where you hit the nail on the head was when you said "The root problem is that people who carry around mobile technology feel they're doing important things, when they don't really even have a handle on what's important. Or how hard you have to work to do something important." That's bang on. But unfortunately, they see what they do as already important enough. They don't long for any better. Notice how they ACTUALLY LIKE watching movies on their phone. Why on earth wouldn't they want to watch programs on a high definition larger screen, relaxed on their couch? Why would they prefer "on the run" as opposed to leisurely? I'll never understand, but that is the way it's going. I agree that Windows 10 isn't better. You don't need to preach to me :). Where we're both off the mark is thinking that most millennials even want ANY kind of windowing OS on x86-x64 architecture. Just because it provides superior and tweakable results, doesn't mean they even want it. Blue Ray offers superior HD video, and SACD blows away CDs. But consumers (largely youngers folks) never turned the page to read the next chapters in those sagas. Smartphone video and digital music will suffice, thank you. And yes, I think most vendors don't see profitability in providing programmable create it yourself solutions anymore. I think they either want to provide you with a completed solution. You being able to program and develop and customize doesn't allow Microsoft or Google to brand themselves with something instantly recognizable. Customization or choice interferes with branding and image, so they can't have that. The other thing is, an OS really is just becoming a conduit for apps and services. So it's really no longer the product. Please know though NoelC, I really do hear you.

It really doesn't seem that Microsoft is in touch with the real world, does it? It appears they've conceded to defeat on the mobile front, and they are putting more of their energy into the whole 3D creative bit on Surface tablets. It sounds fun, but it doesn't seem to be in line with what people are looking for. I would say, focus on making people like NoelC happy, and provide long term support for enterprise-class desktops (no need for anything innovative here - just keep it working on today's equipment), and then diversify. Maybe creat phone apps for Android, and return to being the software moguls they used to be.

You and I were discussing this before. I even quoted your post over at tenforums.com, just to see what the Windows 10 fan boys would say over there about your concerns (I guess I should have asked first, so sorry). And please understand that you and I are in pretty much complete agreement about what we should expect from a desktop OS. But you and I are a dying breed. You said once something to the effect of not letting millennials decide what you should want for a real desktop (or at least a real computing solution), but they already have: a looooooong loooooong time ago. First off, Microsoft cares not about your customizations or your Big Muscle Aero fixes. They want you to leave the interface alone. When you see a modern day screenshot of the default Windows 10 interface, that's what they want you to be acclimatized to thinking of when you create a mental image of what Windows is. When Ford advertises a new Mustang, they don't want you to imagine a classic 1965 model. Same applies here. I'm almost sure (I'm just being smart-a** here, but maybe not) that if Microsoft could, they would send you a cease and desist letter to stop customizing their beautiful interface, and quit misrepresenting Windows by posting screenshots on MSFN. I think that reflects their thinking, doesn't it? But I digress. You mentioned previously that you can't fathom how no one would need serious machines to do serious development and work on, am I right? or close enough? But as more millennials and frankly middle age folks below 55 embrace mobile technology, and abandon the desktop model, less and less need exists for desktop application development. Now there is one thing that perplexes me, I'll admit. If Microsoft is hoping that the Modern UI penetrates the entire OS, and basically blows away the Explorer shell completely, so that Windows can becomes a completely mobile touch OS, then why did they give up on Windows Phone so easily? Isn't that a big part of creating a mobile ecosystem that can compete with Android and iOS? You were referring to full featured desktop solutions as "state of the art" computing, correct. Now, a little off topic, but just go with me here. I'm a long time hi-fi buff. Sadly, very very few people care about state of the art any more. Turntables have had a tad of a comeback, but most people are fine with mobile digital players (basically a smart phone component now). Contrarily, I would think it be odd to live in a residence where there isn't somewhere I could find a pair of speakers almost as tall as I am, or a turntable for spinning tunes. But that's because I listen to music the way I did in the 80s. Most people think that hi-fi equipment lays waste to their home, but at one time, people were envious over it. I rarely hear gamers looking at top-flight video hardware or overclocking CPUs anymore. Even five years ago (maybe even just three) I still heard about that a lot. They all use game consoles now. Because no one uses Windows like us oldsters do (and some of these people I speak of that have abandoned Windows: they sometimes are in their forties). My sister is 45, and never uses Windows at home. It's her Samsung Galaxy all the way. Need to see a spreadsheet? She can open it Google Docs, and she doesn't miss the big screen or full size keyboard. Me? I'd be lost, and I'd feel it was a compromise. But again, I'm a dyin ----- never mind, I'm gonna go play a record.

Haaaaaaaaaaaaaa! That's classic!

See, I don't think these companies look at this from a perspective of "we don't care any more about XP". You're saying that Google basically "has it in" for XP. There's nothing personal about it. Perhaps Google has development plans coming very shorty, and they definitely know that it will not work with XP. So force the change now and create the incompatibility now (even if it's an artificial at the moment) so that Google users will not even consider XP as a usable platform for Google products. And send the memo to both Vista users, so that they know as well. Now, Google makes a big big change to HTL5 video applets or makes a big change in Chrome. Guess what the two things are that they now DON'T have to do (which saves hours of testing and money, and that last point will make shareholders happy), they don't have to test the rollout on XP or Vista. So if FranceBB complains that Google Drive doesn't work - well that's OK, because it wasn't supposed to. And saying that XP is special because many millions of users still run the OS, will just make Google say, "Then why are you"? If Google had a personal vendetta against XP, then why did they update Chrome and allow it to run on XP until April 2016? There is your answer right there. They did so until it wasn't feasible for them to do so anymore. They weighed the man hours and cost against the market share and said, "Hmmmm, seems most people use smartphones and Windows 7, so let's focus on Android and NT v6x, ... er except Vista, just because it's not a going concern". That's all there is to it.

Phantogram from the summer with "You Don't Get Me High Anymore"

That would be my BIGGEST concern. Now I understand why Microsoft (in addition to most other tech companies) feels that desktop computing is no longer a priority. I hate it too, but mobility is where it's at, and I don't see it changing. Young people 40 and under just are NOT voluntarily using PCs. Anecdotally, all I see are devices. They only use Windows 7 at work because they have to, and even that's changing slowly. So, since I know I'm not along with the tide of popularity, I'll stay with a Windows OS release that seems under the radar a bit. That "a**-emblers" crack was quite clever.