Jody Thornton

I just don't get that. Once you excise all of the metro stuff from Windows 8x, it really looks more like a windowing system than 10 does. The caption buttons (min/max/close) in Windows 10 and UI are more flat than 8x by a long shot. And the dialog boxes in 8x are more like Windows 7. I just don't get the dislike for Windows 8.

So it'll be March when we see the next updates. Wow! That seems like a real regression for Microsoft! https://www.sevenforums.com/news/405295-february-2017-security-update-release-delayed.html

I don't think there is a precedent for that either - where no updates were issued in a month prior to Windows 2000 Professional. I don't recall how Windows 98 and ME were scheduled for updates, or did they just come at random?

Wonder when it will be?

I switched over to the bulletins tab, but only January's patches are there. Still awaiting February.

So I take it this is where we will now find posted updates for Windows. Nothing is showing up yet https://portal.msrc.microsoft.com/en-us/security-guidance

Now Pale Moon v27.1 is fully working with Facebook. But not without a lot of arguing over there. On to the OP's topic (oh wait! That's me), I wonder if we'll actually get any updates tomorrow. I'm curious to see.

Now can you not remove source files by using the DISM command. Then when you check the status of features is shows in a command window as "Disabled With Payload Removed"

If I had to place a bet, I think the x64 Edition and Server 2003 variants would (in x64 builds). If I could take half the money off the table, I think particular XP installations could do it.

I have a hard time understanding how you're getting stuttering issues on WinNT6x, especially on a Quad Core. Those system actually make MORE use of the hardware than XP does. I'm baffled. What is it that you're trying to accomplish? There is no way that Vista or Windows 7 should have such difficulty, unless you're short on RAM or using an older GPU. Just guessing though.

I'm with you for the most part here. I like being on a system that's "symbolically" out of support such as Windows 8 (since I can get fully compatible Server 2012 patches) and still use a fairly modern OS that can utilize newer applications. I also run a Metro-Free environment, and I use a lot of older Windows applications. But I like my browsers to be up-to-the-minute. And my tax software needs to be able to use newer security protocols in the installed TCP/IP stack to even function for e-file use. So for real work, XP and older is now a no go. I need what Windows NT 6 based systems give me. That was different as little as two years ago, but now the whole game has changed. But yes, Windows 10 has not interested me thus far. I hope something changes by 2023, but maybe I'll migrate to a different hardware platform by then.

I wonder if the RetroZilla author would benefit any from working with the K-Meleon folks. They have Gecko 38 in use, but I doubt it's compatible with Win9x.

Well it appears that the theater mode refresh issues in Facebook have been found in Pale Moon. Odd, I find it, that the thread sat dormant for days. Then I posted that I was testing K-Meleon (which uses Gecko 38) and it exhibited the same issue. Next morning, it was found to be corrected in an early v40x series of Gecko. Posters are thanking Moonchild for his perseverance, and I thought, "What perseverance"???. He and Matt A Tobin were willing to just sit on the problem. https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=13005&start=300

That's basically what I mean. I actually liked IE 7 on XP (at the time) but not for today's browsing.

Of course, using Internet Explorer on Windows XP might be a no-no, since it's version 8 ...lol. But yes, IE 11 gets the shaft for no good reason. A good browser.

Somewhat agree but these recent Facebook issues are a real doosie.

It appears that Moonchild was fixing the installer to work with Pale Moon under Vista, so it appears safe. However, Pale Moon has been experiencing rendering issues with Facebook and Netflix, likely because of new code and DRM-related issues, that aren't experienced in other browsers. It's been getting a bit tense over there.

I thought they just didn't want to take the extra time because of the small user base.

Apparently, the most recent engine and definition updates bring about a nag screen for end of support (but for XP ...lol - perhaps Microsoft was too lazy to change the displayed message for Vista users, as in both of them ) https://www.vistax64.com/system-security/304847-microsoft-security-essentials-begins-nag-january-10-a.html

This has to be unprecedented. I don't think when Windows Update was introduced for Windows 98, that Patch Tuesday was a thing yet. I think that part was established with Windows 2000. But I don't think that there has been a month for any Windows NT OS since then. This has to be a first.

Uh .... OK! So for January 2017, other than the Adobe Flash Player Update (KB3214628), there is no security update for Windows 8.1 or any flavour of Windows Server 2012. Is there a precedent for this? I'm very surprised.

I loaded up Opera 12.10 for fun a few days go. Besides some glitches, it works for the most part on this forum. And most sites were quite usable. So would that not work well enough for Win9x?

On your Mac Pro, eh? Hmmmmm - does it run bare metal (I know that Macs run on Intels now), but is it really quick? Any compromises to be aware of? I admit, this sounds like a pet project right up my alley.

Yeppers, I was aware of the IA64 builds of both XP and there was a released Windows 2000 Server for the IA64 architecture. I will agree, that Windows XP was just Windows 2000, save for new icons (I actually liked 2000's better), the firewall, visual styles and a few other things. Similarly, x64 was just a reworked Windows Server 2003. I love that OS though.

I'd be inclined to seriously disagree. Yes Windows XP x64 Edition really needed to be mated with appropriate machinery to shine. But if you had a fully compatible machine, x64 Edition was a dream to work with. I'd say so much so that it redefined how I would look at using XP. If I had to go back and use it, I would ONLY use the x64 version. It was remarkably stable on my HP xw8200. You were lucky to never have a BSOD on the x86 version, though I admit I had very few.