Jody Thornton

I'm with you for the most part here. I like being on a system that's "symbolically" out of support such as Windows 8 (since I can get fully compatible Server 2012 patches) and still use a fairly modern OS that can utilize newer applications. I also run a Metro-Free environment, and I use a lot of older Windows applications. But I like my browsers to be up-to-the-minute. And my tax software needs to be able to use newer security protocols in the installed TCP/IP stack to even function for e-file use. So for real work, XP and older is now a no go. I need what Windows NT 6 based systems give me. That was different as little as two years ago, but now the whole game has changed. But yes, Windows 10 has not interested me thus far. I hope something changes by 2023, but maybe I'll migrate to a different hardware platform by then.

I wonder if the RetroZilla author would benefit any from working with the K-Meleon folks. They have Gecko 38 in use, but I doubt it's compatible with Win9x.

Well it appears that the theater mode refresh issues in Facebook have been found in Pale Moon. Odd, I find it, that the thread sat dormant for days. Then I posted that I was testing K-Meleon (which uses Gecko 38) and it exhibited the same issue. Next morning, it was found to be corrected in an early v40x series of Gecko. Posters are thanking Moonchild for his perseverance, and I thought, "What perseverance"???. He and Matt A Tobin were willing to just sit on the problem. https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=13005&start=300

That's basically what I mean. I actually liked IE 7 on XP (at the time) but not for today's browsing.

Of course, using Internet Explorer on Windows XP might be a no-no, since it's version 8 ...lol. But yes, IE 11 gets the shaft for no good reason. A good browser.

Somewhat agree but these recent Facebook issues are a real doosie.

It appears that Moonchild was fixing the installer to work with Pale Moon under Vista, so it appears safe. However, Pale Moon has been experiencing rendering issues with Facebook and Netflix, likely because of new code and DRM-related issues, that aren't experienced in other browsers. It's been getting a bit tense over there.

I thought they just didn't want to take the extra time because of the small user base.

Apparently, the most recent engine and definition updates bring about a nag screen for end of support (but for XP ...lol - perhaps Microsoft was too lazy to change the displayed message for Vista users, as in both of them ) https://www.vistax64.com/system-security/304847-microsoft-security-essentials-begins-nag-january-10-a.html

This has to be unprecedented. I don't think when Windows Update was introduced for Windows 98, that Patch Tuesday was a thing yet. I think that part was established with Windows 2000. But I don't think that there has been a month for any Windows NT OS since then. This has to be a first.

Uh .... OK! So for January 2017, other than the Adobe Flash Player Update (KB3214628), there is no security update for Windows 8.1 or any flavour of Windows Server 2012. Is there a precedent for this? I'm very surprised.

I loaded up Opera 12.10 for fun a few days go. Besides some glitches, it works for the most part on this forum. And most sites were quite usable. So would that not work well enough for Win9x?

On your Mac Pro, eh? Hmmmmm - does it run bare metal (I know that Macs run on Intels now), but is it really quick? Any compromises to be aware of? I admit, this sounds like a pet project right up my alley.

Yeppers, I was aware of the IA64 builds of both XP and there was a released Windows 2000 Server for the IA64 architecture. I will agree, that Windows XP was just Windows 2000, save for new icons (I actually liked 2000's better), the firewall, visual styles and a few other things. Similarly, x64 was just a reworked Windows Server 2003. I love that OS though.

I'd be inclined to seriously disagree. Yes Windows XP x64 Edition really needed to be mated with appropriate machinery to shine. But if you had a fully compatible machine, x64 Edition was a dream to work with. I'd say so much so that it redefined how I would look at using XP. If I had to go back and use it, I would ONLY use the x64 version. It was remarkably stable on my HP xw8200. You were lucky to never have a BSOD on the x86 version, though I admit I had very few.

I thought the AMD x64 standard that we use now wasn't being engineered until the early 2000s.

Apparently, the Visual Studio compiler can indeed set a flag to allow compilation for Windows XP, so it CAN be made to work. All of the unofficial x64 builds of SeaMonkey also target Windows 7 and higher. If the developer doesn't allow compilation with the XP compatibility flag set, the limitation is in the executable.

@2008WindowsVista, I forgot about Cyberfox. I'll have to remember that one if I need to resinstall Vista

No apolgies needed. I just recall the post that's all. Let's hope Vista compatibility doesn't break in Pale Moon. :). Of SeaMonkey and Firefox ESR are x86 options. As it stands, Pale Moon is the only 64-bit option.

Don't even need to look 2008WindowsVista, I remember it well. It seems the installer script has been fixed so next release will work.

Trying to find out if things will be getting iffy in Moonchild land: https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=14182&p=102517#p102517

It appears that there were issues running the latest Waterfox builds on XP x64 Edition. It also appears that SeaMonkey is headed for a world of trouble. A lot of integrated tools were removed for the new v2.46 release, which itself took nine months for a completed release. And it appears that a lot of the code for Gecko was already removed for XP compatibility (from what I've been able to gather at MozillaZine.) It's estimated that v2.49 of SeaMonkey will likely get something similar to an ESR-style release. Though I think SeaMonkey is in even deeper trouble.

Yeppers. I use a Dell D610 (circa 2005) - not my daily driver. It came with Windows XP, has a Centrino M 1.8 GHz CPU and 1 GB of RAM. Puppy Precise v5.7.1 is what is installed (I used a full installation on an ext2 partition). It kinda looks like OS/2 the way I have the fonts setup. I browse and email with SeaMonkey on it.

Linux builds like Ubuntu are already bloated I use Puppy Linux on an old notebook that had XP on it. You'd probably like it Dibya.

If I were to ever long for a return back to XP, I would want Windows XP x64 Edition - plain and simple, and I would want a 64-bit browsing option. Those odds seem few and far between. But bar none, it was the besat desktop experience on my aging xw8200 workstation. Though Vista and Windows 8 work quite well on it.