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My brightness is at 20%. (Screencap RGB value is value of pixel, I can set brightness at 2% and everything be three different shades of black, the pixel RGB value is still 255,255,255.) I have compared black levels. I've done everything I can here. This "issue" is not an issue to me. Supermium / Thorium / Catsxp / Brave / "real" Chrome/Chromium all display the same EXACT colors on my system! Fonts, active tabs, inactive tabs. ALL THE SAME EXACT COLORS!

Yes. and some people are sensitive to LED lights, thus using LED back-lit monitors isn't recommended. I still use an old CCFL, and full RGB looks good.

No, everything is fine with your eyes! Starting somewhere in 2012-2013 all Nvidia cards are terribly bright and contrast by default. There is a lot of information comparing them to old AMD (in favour of AMD's default colours).

@AstroSkipper, respectfully, drivers from Microsoft can't be unofficial. Example of waht people think in terms of minor update going from .xx to .90. Microsft labs extensively tested that drivers, especially during that era, with browsers being on one of the first places in the test. Example 347.88 vs 347.90 (Microsoft). "I tried them out, and I definitely prefer them to the 347.88 WHQLs. Seem to be smoother to me." "All good to my experience" https://forums.guru3d.com/threads/347-90-version-on-windows-update.397826/page-3

Hi ; In the past, I have politely asked you to put some more effort into improving the quality of your problem reports, but it appears I can't get the message through ; indeed, "one picture is worth a thousand words", but in this case it's far from it... Please, provide "clickable links" of the actual problematic URLs and also try to include English translation(s) of the error(s) your Russian-localised OS generates ; if the errors you encounter are manifesting themselves ONLY when being logged-in, few here (including the developer) without a proper account already will go into the trouble of registering just to troubleshoot your errors ... As a rule of thumb, social media portals, be it western (e.g. Facebook) or eastern (e.g. VKontakte) are relentless towards anything "legacy", i.e. H/W, OS, browser; they're veritable beasts of Javascript and CSS that put a heavy tax on older desktop machines; I avoid social media with a passion, but if "one" must use them, better limit "oneself" to a mobile device with a recent version of Android/iOS... Small rant aside , I launched latest NM28 [v28.10.7a1 (32-bit) (2024-05-23)] and tried to load: https://vk.com/megaslava The browser struggled for a few seconds (5-8s) while trying to render huge blobs of code , but in the end the URI was successfully displayed: As a further test, I reloaded that same URI ten (10) consecutive times, not once did I get anything similar to what's contained in your first screenshot ; as I don't have a VK account myself, I only tested as an anonymous VK user ... As for your second screenshot, it would appear VK use serviceWorkers, so in "about:config" just enable them (if not already): dom.serviceWorkers.enabled;true FWIW, I didn't get any of the errors depicted in your second image, probably because I'm not being logged-in ... My friendly advice to you: If you can, use one of the XP-compatible Chromium derivatives for VK.com (and likewise for other "offenders" like Instagram/X/Youtube etc.) ... Regards.

@chermany4ever Replace the string %~dp0% by the path to your main Thorium folder! That is the path where the thorium.exe file is located.

Hope I've done what you ask correctly. By doing so a folder was created called %~dp0% which has more folders and files inside. Actually, a user data folder should be created with the name USER_DATA and not %~dp0%. The whole command starts the browser with some flags which were originally part of the batch file and creates the user data folder USER_DATA if not already existent.

Breakage of discourse-based forums/communities under UXP-based browsers (NM28/St52 and probably St55) is an already known issue, that has been reported more times than I'd care to remember ; discourse serve a script that checks for a specific platform feature in the client browser, which isn't present in the UXP platform per se but, at the same time, isn't strictly necessary for the discourse-based forums/communities to function properly - thus, "their" browser-checking script categorises UXP-based browsers as "unsupported" and then "they" serve the "dumbed down" version of the forums ... I have offered two mitigations for this predicament, one based on a custom uBlock Origin filter and another in the form of a userscript (requires a userscript manager to be installed); search my MSFN posts with the keyword "discourse" ; probably inside "My Browser Builds (Part 4, 5)" megathreads...

Although my Thorium browser starts as usual, the new Chrome XP API Adapter 1.2.0.5058 in combination with the --use-angle=d3d9 and --ignore-gpu-blocklist flags causes black frames, wherever pop-ups, menus or preview windows are opened, and the disappearance of tool bar icons. Round about six extensions are affected. Unfortunately, this type of hardware acceleration doesn't help me at all. Thus, I will remove both flags.

I think I have already written enough helpful comments and articles. And I replied to a rather disrespectful statement. Thorium is also made for Windows XP. And there are members and readers here who are using this OS on old or very old hardware. You understand what I want to say? Anyway! I don't like such comments "Such old computer ..." which are therefore absolutely superfluous. Such as yours. Sorry to say that!

Recently read about this one, it appears to be one of the more interesting forks of Mozilla Firefox. More knobs in settings, sidebar, keyboard shortcuts; among other things, there's a knob for tab bar below toolbars, some update settings controllable through GUI like in old Firefox versions (there's no "Never check for updates", but the option to choose to install them is there), JPEG-XL support enabled by default, knob for turning on userChromeJS script support... There's also Web Apps feature, I guess equivalent to Chromium's "install website as app". Available x86 and x64 builds for Windows, x64 and aarch64 builds for Linux and a version for macOS (guess whatever's current in the Apple world). Homepage: https://floorp.app/en Downloads: https://floorp.app/en/download Installation instructions: https://docs.floorp.app/en/introduction/installation/

I think you can do this. The error your xml generates is very clear.

BTW, Amazon, eBay and Paypal have become really bad. These sites are much more sluggish in New Monn 28 than months ago.

I avoid it as much as possible, because it's not really useful for me. The only good AI was Deepl Translator, which did a good job of translating German-English, but it's translation accuracy has dropped lately and can't really recommend it. I also don't need search engines to answer my search query, just me give the d*mm link to a website that matches my question the closest.

I'm in awe of your patience, @VistaLover

I don't think that's the reason. I have several, most recent browsers installed on my Android 9 tablet, some with and some without uBlock Origin. And I have the same issues with the MSFN forum editor there as I have on my Windows XP machine. The forum editor has still problems with posting special links or pasted code. And that for many months now.

Cloudflare serves cookie consent script for the site, the rest are ads. I block all with extreme prejudice, the editor works fine, apart from the occasional "post goes through although it doesn't show until you refresh". Sometimes, but rarely, there's a delay when posting (server/database overload?).

Yes, I recently also started to encounter weird website behaviour, I reported here. https://msfn.org/board/topic/186000-posting-test-string-boot-ini-causes-http-403-forbidden-error/?do=findComment&comment=1264723 Interesting, I have no "forbidden", but the posting sometimes takes long time to pass through. Living in Holland, I have a very fast internet connection.

And what I meant is, if a driver is WHQL, it can't be unofficial, esp. since Microsoft gives that stamp. With WHQL you can be sure it wasn't tampered. I don't know how much it will help with browser acceleration on that old card though.

Just a small note. Due to the circumstance that the hardware acceleration does not work properly on my old machine, I have reverted my Chrome XP API Adapter from version 1.2.0.5058 to version 1.2.0.5057 which now runs smoothly again on my machine.

You're welcome! Glad it finally works for you. TBH, your hardware is much more recent and powerful than mine. Therefore, I couldn't imagine that Thorium does not run on your system at all, but does on my ancient box from 2000. The manual execution of the command I posted for you is actually just a test whether the Thorium browser can be started in your system at all or not. I observed in my installation that from time to time the execution of the batch file didn't do anything for whatever reason. Thus, I modified the code of this batch starter file and compiled it to an EXE file which now runs reliably without any problems. BTW, I brought your comment here as a deeper discussion would have been off-topic in @roytam1's browser thread. This thread here is a better place to get help in terms of Thorium related stuff and discuss its issues.

it could be some kind of rules about post filtering here. I do hit this these days when posting changelogs.

Thanks for that. I don't have uBlock Origin and I couldn't find the userscript, but I managed to fix it using the Modify HTTP Response add-on. I had to add the Win-Raid forum's hostname to the filter to make it work. Edit: I tried to add the updated filter as code to this post, but the forum won't let me. It spits out a "Forbidden - You don't have permission to access this resource" error message.

It was my assumption platform development subforum is suitable if you can point out the direction where the issue lies. But issues not being acknowledged also happened in the past in web compat subforum. Though I think you have a point; the latter might slightly more suitable just due to the fact that subforum is all about real examples of broken sites. It's my hunch them being bombarded with issues all the time makes them indifferent at times. And, well, that's just how it is in open-source world.

But the fonts aren't sharp. They are smudged.

Yes, this is my conclusion as well:

There's a documented difference with grey colour and its shades at github and by you here (thanks!). For me, the problem is with colours being too light, like on that first screenshot. I run Vista without exkernel.

Yeah! That did it! It's starting up fine, hasn't crashed again. Now to install extensions, import bookmarks and keep testing to see how it behaves. Thanks Astro!!! First you brought my comment here and then you helped me. You leave me speechless my friend. Thank you!!!

Ok. What did you see when you applied the starter batch file? Open a command line window in the main folder of Thorium and execute the following command: thorium.exe --user-data-dir="%~dp0%\USER_DATA" --allow-outdated-plugins --disable-breakpad --disable-encryption --disable-machine-id What do you see now?

I've never noticed a difference either, so I too am interested in knowing of any "tests". Quantifiable measurements, no "gut feelings". I've always had better luck with having Hardware Acceleration DISABLED. Largely in part due to needing to screencap from online video conferencing and HW disabled will screencap the video image whereas HW enabled will not (at least on my work laptop).

I suppose it should also be asked of all three of the members that always cite these brightness issues - your profiles all cite Vista, are you also all using extended kernel? I suppose "one of these days" I will see if I also get PURE WHITE active tabs for all of these browsers in Vista - but it is very very very "back burner".

My NVIDIA driver version is 307.83, the last official version I got via the updater from NVIDIA. This version is also the last officially offered one when performing a driver search on their homepage. However, I could update to the more unofficial 307.90 version which was offered by Microsoft but there was never any need to do that. And I don't think such a minor update could change anything. My DirectX version is indeed 9.0c.

If I understand you correctly, the NVIDIA 6200 graphics card is not supported. Am I right? BTW, I didn't see any notes about supported graphics cards or chips. Where are them?

The contents of the updroots.sst file have been changed; the contents of the other * .sst files are unchanged.

Thank you, very helpful! members must take example from you!

Yes, the browser doesn't load at all with it. Genius, zero CPU usage, deserves a Nobel Prize.

What What about Bing AI search copilot? I'd like to try, I use Bing search anyways, I don't care if CIA, FBI or NSA guys read my searches, I don't plot against America.

Like Dave-H once said, such comments trigger off-topic discussions. Hence Astroskipper intervened, there you have it. As for me, my specs are relevant 'cause I have the same USB issue with @UCyborg

The computer made in late 2009, an average MSFN user has much older. Besides, I upgraded its DDR3 RAM to 16GB and added an Nvidia card made in March 2015. It runs on Xeon x3470. It's somewhat similar to Dave-H's.

Agreed! This whole "hubbub" about brightness in A vs B vs C is all BS to me. The creator's intent should be focused toward a working and stable "port". Not creating 30 different versions that all function 100% identically but have a color change here or a pixel change there all to appease "members on this web site like it this way", "members on that web site like it that way", "these members don't know about those members but they want it this way", et cetera...

I disagree. I myself would "ignore" these types of "reports" if I were win32. You see, in life, we all place our own "scale" on things like this. On a scale of 1 to 10, this "brightness difference" is a ZERO on my radar. A zero on a scale of 1 to 10. But the three people on this forum that love, love, love to talk "brightness", this issue is clearly a 12 to them. A twelve on a scale of 1 to 10.

Sucks because you need to "register".

since @ClassicNick provided a newer NSS port, I'm trying to fix/port it to VC7.1 and VC6 for retrozilla use. EDIT: progress - VC7.1 works, VC6 needs more fixing: in NT 3.51: and in Win95: EDIT2: VC6 port is finished. PR created: https://github.com/rn10950/RetroZilla/pull/68 Bin (suite): http://o.rthost.win/gpc/files1.rt/retrozilla-suite-tls13-20240526.7z browser-only (rzbrowser): http://o.rthost.win/gpc/files1.rt/rzbrowser-tls13-20240526.7z

I haven’t posted in years. Found this thread from Slashdot. Just wanted to swing through and say how awesome this is.

And this is for the trusted certs. "Automatic certificate trust list update" https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-server/identity/ad-cs/certificate-trust

It supposed to fetch them automatically. The cert store hasn't changed between Vista and 11. "An automatic updater of untrusted certificates is available for Windows Vista, Windows Server 2008, Windows 7, and Windows Server 2008 R2" https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/an-automatic-updater-of-untrusted-certificates-is-available-for-windows-vista-windows-server-2008-windows-7-and-windows-server-2008-r2-117bc163-d9e0-63ad-5a79-e61f38be8b77

You forgot to include the instructions or any precise explanations. Besides, not everyone with older monitors will see that function. Most importantly, you forgot to tell - it's mostly HDMI. Here. lemme help you. Correcting HDMI Colour on Nvidia and AMD GPU https://pcmonitors.info/articles/correcting-hdmi-colour-on-nvidia-and-amd-gpus/

Well, this topic "win7-browsers-video-colour-range-stutter" doesn't specify Firefox only, try to switch to chrome then?

Try to experiment with different drivers, but the whole 1000 generation is very bright (it's how their BIOS is written). I returned 1080ti back to the shop, it was too bright and washed out. https://msfn.org/board/topic/185912-should-i-get-a-gtx-1080ti-or-a-gtx-titan-x-pascal-for-vista/?do=findComment&comment=1255575