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x86: https://www.google.com/dl/release2/chrome/adjs6spifue5dxngiogotsz633pq_109.0.5414.149/109.0.5414.149_chrome_installer.exe x64: https://www.google.com/dl/release2/chrome/oeecyq7z2j4yyfoa4cev5c4o7e_109.0.5414.149/109.0.5414.149_chrome_installer.exe Source: reddit ...

New build of post-deprecated Serpent/moebius for XP! * Notice: This repo will not be built on regular schedule, and changes are experimental as usual. ** Current moebius patch level should be on par with 52.9, but some security patches can not be applied/ported due to source milestone differences between versions. Test binary: Win32 http://o.rthost.win/basilisk/basilisk55-win32-git-20230805-cf690545e-xpmod.7z Win64 http://o.rthost.win/basilisk/basilisk55-win64-git-20230805-cf690545e-xpmod.7z repo: https://github.com/roytam1/basilisk55 Repo changes: - import from UXP: Issue #1240 - Follow-up: Add missing JSVAL_TYPE_BIGINT cases in JitFrames.cpp. As pointed out by roytam1 during testing with Discord. (5c3cedb1) (269f138d0) - import from UXP: Issue #1240 - Follow-up: Fix incorrect values in Number() constructor. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1466893 Our code base was using the return value to create the Number object. However with the BigInt changes, it is no longer stored in rval, use args[0]. (df038107) (fb0d93eb2) - ported from UXP: Issue #1877 - Resolve RELEASE_OR_BETA conditionals. (d4eac725) (0a9699790) - ported from UXP: Issue #2026 - Part 1 - Implement BigInt64 and BigUint64Array. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1456569 (b64643e4) (3225988d4) - import from UXP: Issue #2026 - Part 2a - Support BigInt in NumberFormat and toLocaleString. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1543677 (d972016c) (f347d192b) - import from UXP: Issue #2026 - Part 2b - Format BigInts representable as int64_t without first converting them to strings. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1543677 (3ce9cf4d) (97edefc48) - import from UXP: Issue #2026 - Part 3a - Add support for BigInt in devtools. (Server side) https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1527867 (e861cd3b) (9b4f6e00d) - import from UXP: Issue #2026 - Part 3b - Add BigInt Devtools support. (legacy frontend) (61efc86b2) (9842eeb3b) - ported from UXP: Issue #2026 - Part 3c - Add BigInt Devtools support. (new frontend) (9042881c) (37e9397b6) - import from UXP: Issue #2026 - Part 4 - Fill in missing dense elements case and fix a comment. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1456569 Skipped this during the initial implementation, not sure when or if this code path is used, but I figure it should be there just in case. Also fix debug builgs by removing an no longer valid MOZ_ASSERT. (b7e487bd) (cf690545e)

New build of Serpent/UXP for XP! Test binary: Win32 https://o.rthost.win/basilisk/basilisk52-g4.8.win32-git-20230805-3219d2d-uxp-65de5a7185-xpmod.7z Win64 https://o.rthost.win/basilisk/basilisk52-g4.8.win64-git-20230805-3219d2d-uxp-65de5a7185-xpmod.7z source code that is comparable to my current working tree is available here: https://github.com/roytam1/UXP/commits/custom IA32 Win32 https://o.rthost.win/basilisk/basilisk52-g4.8.win32-git-20230805-3219d2d-uxp-65de5a7185-xpmod-ia32.7z source code that is comparable to my current working tree is available here: https://github.com/roytam1/UXP/commits/ia32 NM28XP build: Win32 https://o.rthost.win/palemoon/palemoon-28.10.7a1.win32-git-20230805-d849524bd-uxp-65de5a7185-xpmod.7z Win32 IA32 https://o.rthost.win/palemoon/palemoon-28.10.7a1.win32-git-20230805-d849524bd-uxp-65de5a7185-xpmod-ia32.7z Win32 SSE https://o.rthost.win/palemoon/palemoon-28.10.7a1.win32-git-20230805-d849524bd-uxp-65de5a7185-xpmod-sse.7z Win64 https://o.rthost.win/palemoon/palemoon-28.10.7a1.win64-git-20230805-d849524bd-uxp-65de5a7185-xpmod.7z Official UXP changes picked since my last build: - Issue #2026 - Part 1 - Implement BigInt64 and BigUint64Array. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1456569 (b64643e410) - Issue #2026 - Part 2a - Support BigInt in NumberFormat and toLocaleString. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1543677 (d972016c23) - Issue #2026 - Part 2b - Format BigInts representable as int64_t without first converting them to strings. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1543677 (3ce9cf4deb) - Issue #2026 - Part 3a - Add support for BigInt in devtools. (Server side) https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1527867 (e861cd3b3a) - Issue #2026 - Part 3b - Add BigInt Devtools support. (legacy frontend) (61efc86b21) - Issue #2026 - Part 3c - Add BigInt Devtools support. (new frontend) (9042881cea) - Issue #2026 - Part 4 - Fill in missing dense elements case and fix a comment. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1456569 Skipped this during the initial implementation, not sure when or if this code path is used, but I figure it should be there just in case. Also fix debug builgs by removing an no longer valid MOZ_ASSERT. (b7e487bdf1) - Issue #1240 - Follow-up: Fix incorrect values in Number() constructor. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1466893 Our code base was using the return value to create the Number object. However with the BigInt changes, it is no longer stored in rval, use args[0]. (df03810723) - Issue #1240 - Follow-up: Add missing JSVAL_TYPE_BIGINT cases in JitFrames.cpp. As pointed out by roytam1 during testing with Discord. (5c3cedb141) No official Pale-Moon changes picked since my last build. No official Basilisk changes picked since my last build. Update Notice: - You may delete file named icudt*.dat inside program folder when updating from old releases. * Notice: From now on, UXP rev will point to `custom` branch of my UXP repo instead of MCP UXP repo, while "official UXP changes" shows only `tracking` branch changes.

Well as of the RTM release, Vista really, REALLY was a s--t pile. It really was. Slow I/O, badly written display drivers, you name it .... However, SP1 and (especially) SP2 cleared away most of those warts, and by the end, I would agree it performed pretty much identically as well as Windows 7. What was never resolved was management and cleanup of the component store. It became huge. However that doesn't bug me any more. I'm perfectly OK now with an OS taking up 15 to 20 GB of disk space now, where I wasn't before. Why? Because I now understand what the component store does, and why it provides sound stability benefits to Windows. As for Windows 8, funnily enough, I can still update using Server 2012 updates without any "tricks". I was hoping the same for my Windows 8.1 brethren, but no such "exact" luck. But Windows 8 has been exceptionally stable, and a VERY GOOD performer.

yeah that was mine post and links are the same as i sent before

Somewhat related, but Windows also doesn't bother stuffing multiple services in a single process anymore by default, at least when 3,5+ GB of RAM is available. Funny, this practice of stuffing services in single process (aka. svchost.exe) was even listed as being outdated in the one long list of complaints of flaws about Windows at http://itvision.altervista.org/why-windows-10-sucks.html. So MS does listen to customer feedback every once in a while.

You're right. Not really. TBH, I have only a little idea about these GitHub repos, especially when it would come to creating my own. As I already mentioned in my thread, I personally am not really a coder but rather a code recycler, fixer, modifier and batch programmer. I like to repair things that no longer work correctly. Especially when they are close to my heart. In any case, thanks for your further explanations!

Also, I think those licenses also contain some form of if you attempted to contact the original author and they did not reply within a timely manner, then it is considered "abandoned" and up for grabs, so to speak.

Sorry, my rant was a bit overreacting yesterday, my opinion is more mixed on multi-process specifically. I mean in theory, it could overall be lighter on resources due to absence of overhead for interprocess communication, no allocations inherent to spawning new processes ect. But all single-process browsers (referring to old school Mozilla browsers...what else is out there anyway?) that are kinda usable today (if you don't visit too complex websites) all get crapped up, resources aren't freed, it just gets slower and more RAM hungry until you close and restart the browser, worst case scenario in my experience is getting stuck in a permanent loop when it 100% CPU core and you can't interact with the browser at all. While multi-process browser just terminates the process and BAM, resources associated with the tab are freed instantly. And this old school Mozilla code seems to have a funny quirk that resource consumption will actually spike up when you close tabs, so if you're reaching the limit if you're on a 32-bit browser, that'll be the final nail in the coffin.

And certain folks using roytam1's releases could say: "What do you mean "obsolete browser"!? I just updated it last Saturday!"

I had to LOL the way that this hit my bookmarked link for MSFN, looked like somebody was reporting that Chrome v115 runs on XP

The majority of these forked extensions are being accompanied by an online "source code repository", where it's easy to inspect/view the modifications applied; e.g., Stylem is a fork of the old Fx extension Stylish (by Jason Barnabe); Stylish was licensed initially with a GNU GPLv3 licence; prior to releasing Stylem, Lootyhoof created a fork of Stylish on GitHub, keeping the original licence: https://github.com/Lootyhoof/stylem This forked repo contains all info regarding the initial and current licences and provides easy access to the modified code; hence, one can do away with an "in-package" patch file; where Stylem is listed now in, e.g. ABBO: https://addons.basilisk-browser.org/addon/stylem/ , there's a prominent link to its Source Repository ; you're not inclined to start a "proper" GitHub repo, are you?

I do think so, too. The extension I already forked for my private use was abandoned by the author in 2015.

TBH, me neither. I am never really sure about things like that.

I'm no authority on this ; some relevant links from "upstream": https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=13655 https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=26433 AIUI, if you modify the original source code and intend to distribute your mod in binary form (e.g. XPI), you have to, under the MPL-2.0, include in your redistribution package a) a copy of the original licence (or link to it), b) a detailed record (in the form of a patch/diff file) of the modifications you applied on the original source code and c) if you were granted permission from the original author(s) to keep the original "name", provide clear proof of that or, in the opposite case, use a "new" name for your own fork... As I said, not an expert on Open Source licencing ... Kind regards.

Please forgive me for being so late to the announcement, but I'm very sorry. Dencorso was a great guy, the post above by mixit says it all. Sit tibi terra levis, dencorso.

... Technically speaking, Sandboxie can't/shouldn't be regarded as a proper Antivirus/Internet Security Suite and/or a third party firewall application, as is the case with the software on the list you linked to ...

Thank you, although I don't think there's anything to congratulate me for. Being nice to others, even if you disagree with them or the things that they do, is not a difficult task (unless your name is Matt A Tobin).

new feature from chrome in 2023.... the annoying bottom end download bar is gone we have been using this on Firefox and forks for ages LOL

Try installing the driver manually through Device Manager. This ID is in the driver. At least in 474.11-desktop-win8-win7-64bit-international-whql.exe It has the lines: %NVIDIA_DEV.24C9% = Section165, PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_24C9 NVIDIA_DEV.24C9 = "NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 Ti". Also, the system may be missing a platform update: KB2670838

Another way to look at it is this, and here I use the word "you" as an all-encompassing pronoun, not any one or two or three specific people. You are a hypocrite if on one hand you applaud the safety and security that an airbag brings to a modern vehicle but on the other hand shout from the roof top for single-process opposed to multi-process. Vehicle "onboard computers" are extremely complex. Safety circuits on top of safety circuits. Reaction times at split-second precision so that an airbag doesn't explode under false pretense. What kind of world would we live in if the "correct way to advance" was for browsers to remain single-process, televisions to remain Cathode Ray Tube, phones to remain wired to the wall, but then we hand-pick what technologies are allowed to advance as opposed to them kind of ALL advancing ???

Or Microsoft may deem it unnecessary. I'm just trying to analyze it. (for Thai language) Many years ago in Thailand There's a lot of pirated software used, and Windows 98 has a of news written about it. And I noticed that Windows 95 is not fully translated. Windows 98 I feel it is very similar to English. only supports keyboard and Thai language display but no translation I just found out that Microsoft has stopped supporting my own language. A few days ago because someone in Thailand told me that this project doesn't work in Thai version. Thank you for fixing Windows Update to work again.

My hunch is that typical MSFNer is just angry that he can't run today's browsers/web pages well on his old 2001 (or worse!) computer.

... You'd be surprised (I wasn't ): https://www.amazon.com/Smart-Toilets/s?k=Smart+Toilets

The code be everywhere these days, eg. did anyone see what kind of headphones they sell these days? Gone are the days when headphones were a pair of dumb speakers you put on your head. Now they have Bluetooth, built-in equalizers, smartphone app to control them, Google Assistant etc. and apparently they may even get software updates. Or a car battery charger that is configurable via app. Have they invented a smart toilet yet?

Aye, guess that's what you get with more premium forum software. At least Invision strikes me as more premium. On the other hand, are spoiler tags a thing here? Did it work? Ha, I don't remember this working in the past. Must have been a good update. Or my memory playing tricks again. Either way, I'm done complaining for today. Honestly, I'm too good at complaining while I suck pretty much everywhere else...oh well...

Chrome was multi-process way before anyone knew about those exploits. Maybe multi-process is not the main issue, hard to tell, each camp will defend their own. But megabytes of JavaScript for relatively simple tasks, c'mon... Edit: Look at this, IE8 is multi-process? I only launched IE8 accidentally few times in recent years on XP, but wasn't checking Process Hacker. https://stackoverflow.com/questions/628744/chrome-ie8-multi-process-design-is-it-possible-in-net

+1000 ; and those "people responsible" (read Google) are currently in the process of making it (Web) even an uglier "monster" : https://msfn.org/board/topic/184944-could-web-enviornment-integrity-block-old-operating-systems

I already had this issue by the past, and I somewhat fixed it by installing the version 472.12 from September 2021, then manually updating to 474.11 (the last WHQL certified version). I can't really certify it will work for you, but for me It solved the issues I have with the driver installer.

SpyBot - Search & Destroy Free Edition SpyBot - Search & Destroy Free Edition is an on-demand anti-spyware scanner. It searches your hard disk for all known types of spyware, adware and potentially unwanted programs. It offers powerful features to remove these threats and thus protect your privacy. It automatically detects: adware networks, attempts at host redirection, registry modifications, and unwanted changes in the browser configuration of Internet Explorer and Firefox. If an attempt is made to redirect your computer to a different Domain Name Server without your permission, Spybot can detect and stop this happening. It also protects your privacy by removing these tracks. SpyBot - Search & Destroy 2.4.40.0 is the last compatible version with Windows XP (and Vista) and free of charge. It still receives latest definition updates in these days as reported by @Cixert. Comparison of features: Homepage: https://web.archive.org/web/20140703163113/https://www.safer-networking.org/ https://web.archive.org/web/20140701051907/http://www.safer-networking.org/private/details/#Free Version number: 2.4.40.0 Date of creation: 24.06.2014 Date of release: 01.07.2014 System requirements: Windows XP, Windows Vista, Windows 7 and Windows 8 Release notes: https://www.safer-networking.org/new-spybot-2-4-fixes-several-updating-problems/ Review: https://softchamp.com/download-spybot-search-and-destroy Download links: Installer: http://updates3.safer-networking.org/spybot1/spybot-2.4.exe Offline updater for antispyware definitions: https://www.safer-networking.org/updates/files/spybotsd_includes.exe Instructions for offline updating: Apply the executable spybotsd_includes.exe. Select the programme folder of Spybot – Search & Destroy. The files will be added to the Includes folder within the Spybot program folder. Screenshots: SpyBot - Search & Destroy was written by the German software engineer Patrick Michael Kolla, and is distributed by Kolla's Irish company Safer-Networking Limited. I used SpyBot - Search & Destroy a long time under Windows ME and some years under Windows XP. It served me well in those days. Thanks to @Cixert for reporting that SpyBot - Search & Destroy 2.4.40.0 is the last version which still receives definition updates in 2023! Cheers, AstroSkipper

@Cixert! I should mention that starting with version 4 (latest version is 4.1.3), the boot manager Boot-US also supports booting via UEFI. I personally use the version 3.9.6 which is working perfectly on my computers booting partitions via BIOS. No need to upgrade. The whole package Boot-US (GUI and command-line version) may be used in the non-licensed version on private PCs for free. However, some features are missing such as true hiding of partitions. These features require a licence after 30 days of use, unfortunately. IMHO, Boot-US, developed in Germany, is a great boot manager, which I have been using on my computers since 2005. And I really tried a lot in the past. Cheers, AstroSkipper

Use a trusted VPN provider with a no log policy! The Tor Network is well-known and actually great, but if a node is a server of the government or a criminal, then the user may get into real trouble. In principle, anyone can participate in the Tor Network. Nothing for me! AstroSkipper

Thank you for your further hint! Frankly, I already knew that. We learned that at school, "either...or..., neither...nor...". BTW, for being a mathematician you have to know the difference between "or" on the one hand, and "either...or..." on the other. In my case I totally forgot the correct use of "either" in the meaning of "too". Therefore, I used it wrong in a few cases. And, to complete our examination, there is another use, too. (you see the English lesson was successful, Lol! ). "Either of us" in the meaning of "one of us" or "both". I had a look in my "English Companion's Modern Grammar", and did a Google research, too. As I already said, I was initiated into the mysteries of the English language. And now, my life is a better one. Cheers, AstroSkipper

German and English are from the same group of languages - Germanic languages. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanic_languages I find the Germans to be one of the most educated nations in the world, and @AstroSkipper is absolutely right and his English is excellent . In other words, one could say "works either way", meaning the main English website version and the German language version. Here are some examples of the right usage. https://www.linguee.com/english-german/translation/works+for+me+either.html

Ok, I think I understand what you mean. The word "either"has to be used in the case of a negation preceding it. Thank you very much for clarifying! Obviously, I didn't use that word correctly. Mea culpa! And many thanks again!

No, unless you have some applications which need the Java Runtime Environment (JRE). JavaScript and Java Runtime Environment are two totally different things. In a browser, you need a lot of scripts written in the language JavaScript. Almost all websites provide functionality via Javascript. Java Runtime Environment, for running Java executables, is needed very rarely in a browser. Therefore, JRE can't fix your problem.

Hope dies last! On my old Windows XP computer, I try to avoid crappy, cumbersome, Googlized websites generally as a form of protest, and due to my low hardware resources. If I have to access such sites, I usually open them in a browser on my Android tablet. The advantage is that mobile website versions are much more tolerable and easier to surf than desktop versions. I think your described trend will accelerate more and more, looking back the last years. Unfortunately, the users loving their Windows XP will have to accept that those websites can only be accessed by using alternatives. My personal rule: all Googlized crap should be processed by Google's OS Android and its browsers. Cheers, AstroSkipper

On a Fujitsu notebook, Windows 7 was already preinstalled. I upgraded the hardware, resized the existing partitions, and installed Windows 10 as a second boot partition. By using a boot manager I installed in the Windows 7 partition, in my case it was Boot-US, I can use either Windows 7 or 10 independantly, according to my needs. Therefore I didn't have to decide to give up one of them. Personally, I prefer Windows XP, but if I had to choose between Windows 7 or 10, I would choose Windows 7. In any case, and spoken for me only, it would be a choice between cholera and pest, unfortunately. In your case, why not use both? Cheers, AstroSkipper

@tpao12, another working, alternative extension to open videos in VLC is Video Assistant 1.0.4. I use this extension in Serpent 52, but it will work in other roytam1's browsers either, and it's fine. It can be enabled or disabled by a toogle button and opens a video from different sources, which can be set in its options, in VLC automatically. You will find it in the Classic Add-ons Archive. Cheers, AstroSkipper

This is probably a bit off-topic, but... assuming we're all still using WinXP on old hardware, how do you even manage to run the VLC gui? VLC 2.2.8 is for me the latest release that starts the gui upon double-clicking 'vlc.exe'. Whenever I double-click on 'vlc.exe' of any newer version, including the latest v3.0.17.4, it just starts the cli and I have no idea how to start the gui instead. Normally I never use VLC, because MPC-HC is my main mediaplayer, but I was just curious. Hi @Reino, I run, without any problems, VLC 3.0.16 in Windows XP Professional SP3, fully POSReady updated, on a very old computer with a Pentium 4 single core CPU 2.8 GHz and 1.5 GB SD-RAM. The youtube.luac file is the latest, provided by the link in my post above. It's fully functional, and supposedly, the latest version 3.0.17.4 is compatible with Windows XP either (I read that on their homepage). Therefore, I can't confirm your problems. Cheers, AstroSkipper

yep

So the whole 32GB will be available ? Nice ... This topic is about experience , I have had the most pleasant experience with Vista SP1 , perhaps you know , is there a chance to implement DX11 to it ? Thanks

It was a pretty common/popular motherboard in 2011/2012 . And , actually , nothing weird , except that I very much doubt they ever sold Vista Ultimate ! OEM ! with that motherboard made in 2011.

I'm not sure I understand , I have 3.6 GB fully usable on one mobo with DDR3 and 4GB on another mobo with DDR2 , wuthout any patches with ordinary x86 Vista SP1 . What exactly does this patch do ? Is there a direct link to the patch ?

No , those are good , esp. when running certain games, besides they are pretty popular among people who work with graphics , DDS and the such, take a look at first gen. Titan prices , still over 250 Euros for a card which is almost 8 y.o.

What do I have to do to reach such long boot times ? I've tried Vista on many systems , and it is usually like 5 - 16 seconds. And that is on mechanical HDDs. WD Raptor , WD Black , etc . My friend runs Vista on Haswell and the boot time is 5 seconds. Those 30+ seconds seems fair only for 2007 year laptops with slow HDDs. Also , I noticed Vista prefer WD and HGST over Seagate , just my to cents, from my experience.

What do you mean ? 32bit Vista can use all 4GB . I had 3.86 available for the system (some was reserved by the MOBO)

It's because you don't use Nvidia . Their drivers will add some time to the boot , at least on my second PC with GTX980. Without Nvidia it's like 5-6 seconds , with , 6-7 sec.

I had started using Vista in 2007, right at the very beginning, when it became available at stores. I bought a new PC, made by Siemens in Germany , with preinstalled Vista x86. Processor Core Quad q6600 , 4GB DDR2 RAM and it ran Vista so blazingly fast , of course I had supefetch disabled. Vista seemed nice overall, but the white background drove me nuts , my eyebals coudn't stand it and I went back to Windows 2000 for some time , then I returned (when dark themes became available). I never upgraded to any newer Windows and not going to. I tried Windows 7 , Windows 8 , they were slow and ugly (I'm sorry if someone don't like this, but that's my opinion) , besides all later Windows have terrible sound quality ! They look and sound cheap (again, to my own tastes as a customer).