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Also note that it becomes a matter of perspective. The Russian Repack prefers to maintain the functionality of visiting the 360Chrome skin web site and change skins via that web site. I view that skin connection as "telemetry" whereas the Russian Repack Author views it at a matter of skin-changing functionality. The hiya and cloud could very well also be a "functionality" that we remove/disable and no longer need that "connection". At any rate, rest assured, I do not want these "connections" nor the "function" that they serve and I'll "Metallica" them ("seek and destroy").

Nope, I have not. Remember that my "source" is a Russian Repack. My telemetry removals are basically what the Russians missed. (There is no evidence that Chinese telemetry was "replaced" with Russian telemetry, though I keep an eye out for that as well.) In the past, Humming Owl and I just cast a wide net and replaced any-and-all "360.cn" with dots - I no longer recommend this approach and would prefer to isolate the "exact" root-cause instead of that "wide net".

first run : hiya.browser.360.cn - 180.163.252.201 180.163.249.3 cloud.browser.360.cn - 180.163.252.144 180.163.251.24 second run : hiya.browser.360.cn - 180.163.252.201 180.163.249.3 a general msfn forum search has results for "hiya" and "cloud.browser". so you have dealt with those before ...

rebased my PM port to SP55, still lots of problems.

Why even turn on the avatar? It would not have been enabled out-of-the-box. I don't use uBlock so no clue on that one. Did you enable developer mode extensions? It would not have been enabled out-of-the-box. Already aware of Chinese on padlock, I've replied to whomever posted it first (I hope the same person didn't post that issue twice, lol).

In that same video if you see the recent comments, many people report that either they can't connect or that they have to download games from another computer. I hate steam with a passion.

Sometimes it's not the "web site address" that you need to hunt for. As one example, hunt for the word "resolver" and anything that looks like an IP Address immediately following.

@Mathwiz Aye, supporting convoluted web as-it-is is a daunting task. I'm just curious what would happen if you threw a huge budget at the project and get the army of engineers working on it while keeping the existing philosophy. Judging from SeaMonkey, it may be possible to push just a bit more snappiness out of a single-process browser at least. The single-process vs multi-process is delicate matter as it would immediately increase base resource footprint. I see why they're against multi-process, I would likely stay with single-process even if Pale Moon supported both modes and multi-process worked with all extensions. @RamonUn Agreed, cache management must be difficult to keep track of. I have to say I'm a bit envious of what some people manage to consider fun.

they're just very similar, and this porting is just for fun.

Just a little update.....been a while..... I never thought I would be singing Microsoft's praises - but I have to say that the customers that have upgraded to Windows 11 ...most of them have downgraded to Windows 10 because of driver issues etc.... Of course most computers now come with Windows 11 as standard - so it is harder to find computers with Windows 10.... I warn my customers to be ever vigilant about their computers wanting to upgrade to Windows 11....few have missed the signs and had problems....hence the "most of them have downgraded to Windows 10....." Windows 11 getting stuck in a loop after an update is quite common....so, even if I could upgrade this computer (according to Microsoft) I wouldn't do it...Windows 10 is more stable.....god that hurt to write...... When looking back at some of the comments here over the years since I started this thread.....a lot of those people would be happier with Linux.... I still love Debian and will keep supporting Linux as the best choice for a stable computer....the community is fantastic.... BUT....don't get me wrong there is fantastic support here on this forum and I am truly grateful for the times you guys have got me out of the ****! I can't claim that Windows 10 is the worst crap ever anymore....I think Windows 11 has taken over big time!! bookie32

Beta-2. Regular. Tranalate enabled. WebGL enabled. Rebased. Disregard, link removed. I'm still getting a skin.chrome.360.cn connection after reboot so turns out not resolved yet. Re-uploaded, the skin telemetry (which is independent of actual skin) should now be resolved. Please let me know if you still see any 360.cn connections. https://www.dropbox.com/s/sk01gdpu1n3cftq/360ChromePortable_13.5.2036_r1_regular_MSFN_beta-2.zip?dl=1

did have regedit entrys from 13.5.2022 on my system as it is set as my default. made a full backup , cleaned all the 360chrome entrys , same result. using 1.1.1.1 as my dns server if that is of any help. have no entrys in my hosts file. hiya.browser.360.cn - 180.163.252.201 180.163.249.3 cloud.browser.360.cn - 180.163.251.24 180.163.252.144 skin.chrome.360.cn - 180.163.251.73 other observations : triple click on "bookmark star" - no more crash. right click minimize - renamed. suggestion : remove "select compat mode" from the context menu. that would make the IE mode hex edits redundant.

Since it provides important context but is only a few lines longer, here's the actual start of that thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15278883 And that was written six years ago. Things have only gotten worse. For example, the Big Four are now the Big Three since Microsoft threw in the towel and jumped on the Cr bandwagon. I don't think Rust is a no-go for MCP, since they're targeting Win 7 and up. It would certainly complicate @roytam1's job and our lives, but @feodor2 has found ways to compile Rust code for XP; e.g., MyPal 68 - so Rust wouldn't necessarily be a show-stopper for us either. M10s doesn't fully solve the memory issues though. I have m10s active at work (32-bit WinXP) and while it lets me use Outlook.com for a while, eventually the process gets over 1 GB (!), the CPU usage goes to 99%, and I have to close the tab, wait for everything to calm down, then click "Undo Close Tab," after which I'm fine for a while longer until the cycle repeats. They really need to limit the cache size somehow, Rust or no Rust. It's worse than that: modern web pages are designed to work properly only on Chromium-based browsers. (Well, plus Safari, but I suspect if we could see Safari's code, it would look more like Cr than even modern FF. Whether we like it or not (in my case, definitely not, but it doesn't change the reality), Google's Chrome and Cr-based offshoots like Edge and (barely) Opera dominate today's browser landscape. While I criticize Mozilla for duplicating way too much of Chrome's look and feel, we're lucky that even modern FF exists as something of an alternative at all, let alone UXP.

Well, one site which instantly slows down when you had it open is Outlook - Do that once and the browser goes down instantly, slowdowns appearing. So yeah, it has some serious memory issues, the question is how to solve them.

Hi Guys! When I mean official I mean I am making it official that I think it is the worst ever... While I can understand that Microsoft want a OS that works on all platforms - they fail to recognise the genuine complaints of long term users! Computers are getting more powerful every day, screens are getting larger and more advanced. and yet we are given a OS that is basically designed for a telephone screen. What happened to nice gradient colours etc? It is so **** boring? Your general users do not care what improvements are made to the engine...they want it to look and feel good as well! A telephone is a telephone in my opinion and I want an OS that looks good on the ever increasing sizes of desktop screens! The start menu is a mess! Once again nothing is logical about the setup of things.... If this is the best they can come up with I will keep one computer as Windows for my customers and then the others as Linux.

I’ve decided to create this thread, since the amount of half working programs have became kinda crazy. Handbrake - 1.3 is the latest officially supported version. At this time the newest version work just fine, but it is no longer supported. Beamng.Drive and Rocket League - Both give "App stopped working" When you properly exit them. They function just fine, but this weird message comes up every time. Geforce experience - While you can install and open the newest 1.24 geforce experience, it no longer screen captures and many other functions stops working. 1.23 is the latest one that still work normally. VMware workstation Pro - The newest 16.2.1 version of this still functions on 8.1, but 3D acceleration has been turned off for some reason. 16.1.2 is the latest one that still functions as intended. Logitech GHUB - The latest version works if you update it through vista compatibility setting. For some users a warning saying that the driver is not digitally signed pops up, but everything still works. iTunes - See my topic on this. Onedrive - Microsoft claims that it will stop working on 1st of january 2022 Office 2019 - Somewhere on msfn I’ve seen people claiming that it can be installed. I use office 365 and it still updates to their newest version just fine. Ryzen CPUs - They work just fine. Don’t forget to manually install missing pci drivers from amd folder and usb 3.1 root hub. Use AMD’s windows 10 driver version 2.17.25.506 RTX 3000 - Unfortunately no known workaround has been found RX 6000 by amd - They seem to work. Sometimes you get weird colors on unity games. Please contribute to this list. Cheers

I'm not sure what is it, and I don't have it either. But, my guess is that it's Spotify's launcher.

Beta-3. https://www.dropbox.com/s/4r3aq2tsv8u6hin/360ChromePortable_13.5.2036_r1_regular_MSFN_beta-3.zip?dl=1

Is it possible to install Win NT 4.0 on LGA775 chipset? Will there be any problem? Also, is it possible to install drivers for GeForce 7800 since it also use ver 77.72?

865GV won't be a problem. You should check out @bearwindows' almighty guide https://bearwindows.zcm.com.au/winnt4.htm Not sure if Geforce 7800 will work. INF modifications are essential, and .sys modifications may be required. I recommend using update-integrated installation image found at Archive.org.

good luck with that , have been searching and testing for hours without results ...

present in chrome.dll : hxxp://cloud.browser.360.cn 3x hxxps://cloud.browser.360.cn 1x so you have already modified those. still get the connection on first run , not so in 13.5.2022.

I no longer use the "dot-replace" because local proxies still log the attempted connection. ie, your computer's DNS resolver was still asked to resolve an address. DNSQuerySniffer doesn't show it because only resolved address are displayed. So I will be replacing hiya.browser.360.cn hex equivalent with the equivalent number of bits replaced with 00 instead of 2E (2E = dot). The cloud.browser will very likely be something like ht tps://cloud and it is best replaced with hx xps://cloud. I prefer a method where the computer's DNS resolver didn't waste time to resolve a non-existing address (ie, an address replaced with dots still gets routed to your DNS resolver).

I'll get this one in the next beta (beta-3, not in beta-2 about to be uploaded).

Thanks for that I actually wanted to inform the developers of the newer version that's why I posted here. Additionally, I'm talking about Norton versions 2003-2005, which are officially supported by windows 98. I have these installed and working fine but when I try to install and enable KernelEx by default, system crashes.

it is still a problem that mypal68 can't produce x64 build, since rustc/rust-stdlib still has some problems that feodor2 doesn't fix/workaround in the moment.

Hi I think this is the last update. And I broke the stupid limitations of UpdatePacks x64. This is added. I am trying doing Windows Media Player Addon. Compatible without the need for a separate Windows version anymore. I've made a Japanese version but I probably won't launch it here. I added many things to it. along with microsoft windows malicious software removal tool Decided to go along with version v5.38 because v5.39 does not work under Server 2003. thanks to @George King The new download link will be on the first page of the topic.

This is the wrong topic to ask your question. It should be moved to:

If they would use a newer code-base as base code, they would lose all customization features - that is clearly a no-go. But it clearly would help if they would use multi-process - but that one was just in baby-steps during the time where the code base versions 52-56 have been out. And back-porting more multi-process code requires for sure Rust - which makes this also a no-go. The main problem is that all modern web-pages and all modern ECMAScript/CSS features and drafts are designed to work only properly with multi-process browsers in mind - and if a single process browser visits such a page - or tries to make use of such standards and drafts it simply can't handle that properly as it was never intended to work with stuff like that correctly. That is at least my point of view.

Memory management topic popped up on Pale Moon forums recently. I've always assumed the browser's codebase has memory leaks, but they say it's caching and by design. Strange design... And that thing about Gmail (or any site leaking memory) doesn't compute in my head. Last time I checked, you don't do mallocs and frees in JavaScript, so how can you "leak" memory as a website? Isn't that what garbage collector is for? It seems this design can lead to browser eventually hanging, at least or especially 32-bit versions, presumably due to all gunk hanging around, plus extensions also pollute process' address space, can't tell whether the impact is significant. At least those that aren't unpacked, its XPI file is mapped in the process' address space. So more RAM and running 64-bit version may prevent the gunk from killing the browser, but it won't prevent sluggishness that occurs over time, for which the only cure is restart of the browser. From my experience, I wouldn't say heavy "Googlized" sites alone are the factor.

Curiosity. See if it offers any improvements. Which it doesn't seem to from what I can gather. That's how a lot of these upstream projects tend to go, they will add "stuff" around the edges but do nothing to the core rendering engine. I'll complete a "regular" non-ungoogled and release a second beta.

Redirect locally the userenv.dll and kernel32.dl files from the March 6 version.

I have a little problem with Spotify, on 6th March version of kernel, last version for Windows 7 and 8.1 worked fine, but on 9th March version it's not starting, I tried even with NT 6.1 spoofing and without it, and with ChromiumFix, nothing helps

I must admit, I never tried GitHub's editor with multiprocess (m10s?) on; unlike you I rarely post anything there; besides, until recently, accessing GitHub required palefill, which is incompatible (i10e?) with m10s mode anyhow, so I had always opened GitHub links in a single-process profile instead. The issue you describe, though, sounded just like a bug that plagued several recent versions of Serpent. So I wondered if the same workaround would work? The workaround for the recent bug was setting the pref dom.keyboardevent.keypress.dispatch_non_printable_in_content (d58t?) to true. I had never reset that pref after the very recent fix, so I never realized there was still a problem while in m10s mode, but I can now confirm that resetting that pref to false (the default) does disable the normal functioning of BACKSPACE, and setting it to true makes BACKSPACE function normally again!

Beta release. Ungoogled. WebGL enabled. Embedded translation disabled. XP skin. Has not been rebased yet. https://www.dropbox.com/s/hi6oqw8s1qra1t1/360ChromePortable_13.5.2036_r1_ungoogled_beta.zip?dl=1

What about Adobe Premiere, After Effects and Photoshop?

You installed Office on your Windows 10, then copied Office's installation folder to Windows 8.1, correct? Edit: I see now how you got it to work.

The chipset is Intel 865GV And the processor is Pentium D

Off-topic posts removed. This thread will be immediately terminated if it degenerates into an off-topic personal bickering fest again.

I figured that part would be open for interpretation and exemptions. Funniest thing IMHO, a bunch of Windows releases were considered crap when new, but then suddenly became great with passage of time. In that light, it also seems unfair to consider early adapters brainwashed sheep (eg. this thread gives such vibes - https://msfn.org/board/topic/182631-why-do-so-many-people-say-staying-on-older-versions-of-windows-is-stupid/). I'm sure if the world still stands by 2040 and computing in current form will still be relevant by then, Windows 10 extended kernel will be all the rage. Even today, it's pretty much like XP of current era and 8.1 seems like Win2000.

So the AeroGlass for Win8+ would violate the EULA, as the restriction or limitation in this case would be the inability to display Vista/7-style glass. Also there was undoubtedly some disassembly and reverse engineering of internal DWM functions to make it work. And I think this goes for Stardock's assortment of desktop enhancement products as well, but they may have the resources to perform clean-room RE. This also goes for products that may have also violated EULA in this way, such as VMware (which reimplements some kernel mode functions for systems lacking them) and Chromium (which uses undocumented classes of some Native API functions). But these EULA terms are often superseded by exemptions in copyright law. In Canada, we have section 30.6 in the Copyright Act where: (i) would cover the additions to the Vista kernel that make newer drivers run, such as NVIDIA 398.11. Perhaps adding support for newer user mode software also plays a role in "compatibility". Adding support for NVIDIA 398.11 made Windows Vista compatible with a system with a GTX 1080 Ti, then the extended kernel also made new browsers and games compatible; thus, it is now fully compatible with the particular computer, whereas it was not when it could not run the software and device drivers. (ii) would be technically satisfied if the process of installing the extended kernel constituted the adaption or modification of the software, to create the reproduction (Vista with extended kernel installed). I believe this is also valid. I expect most of the world to have similar exemptions, including the EU where MSFN is based. An activation bypass would not usually be essential for compatibility, unless the activation procedure itself made it incompatible. This is not the case with any form of Microsoft Windows.

going to try this on my surface pro 3

Handbrake 1.5.1 doesn't run for me anymore, they decided to lock it to Windows 10 or later... So far just removing the version check is enough to get it working, at least on Windows 8.1: https://github.com/archeYR/HandBrake-w81/commits/1.5.x

List of Windows 7+ software that Windows Vista Extended Kernel by @win32 allows to run. I decided to create this temporary post, because @WinClient5270hasn't been online for a long time now and his main post is now quite outdated. Special thanks to @WinClient5270 and everyone who contributed to this list. The programs listed are x64 if not stated otherwise Discussion: https://msfn.org/board/topic/181612-wip-windows-vista-extended-kernel/ Installation guide: https://msfn.org/board/topic/183046-guide-vista-extended-kernel-installation/ Drop-in replacements of popular web browsers: Chrome (Chromium) - Supermium Firefox - r3dfox Internet: Firefox 115 ESR Current version (Spoofing Windows 7 required, mfplat recommended) Pale Moon 33.8.2 Current version SSE2 release download Supermium 126 Current version (Chromium fork by @win32 (extended kernel author) download) If running with powrprof.dll included in release versions extended kernel is not required anymore Thunderbird 115 Current version r3dfox 130.0.1rc Current version (Firefox fork by @K4sum1, download) Current Vista+ releases don't even require extended kernel anymore, ExK required only for 7+ releases r3dfox ESR 128 Current version (Long term support release of r3dfox) Thunderbird 115 Telegram portable May 2022 Current version old internet utilities (not recommended): Chromium 53-109 (110 with new userenv.dll) and most chromium forks including MS Edge (no extension support extensions work with Extended Kernel 07252022 or newer) Firefox 78 ESR (works well with older versions of extended kernel, mfplat recommended) Interlink Mail client (info: July 2020) Windows basic tools: Windows 7 Paint Windows 7 WordPad Windows 7 Calculator Windows 10 1507 Snipping Tool https://msfn.org/board/topic/182001-porting-snipping-tool-to-windows-7-from-windows-10/?do=findComment&comment=1210733 Multimedia tools: GIMP 2.10.18 Inkscape 1.2 Current version RealPlayer 20.1 Current version (32-bit) (https://msfn.org/board/topic/183621-blocking-realplayer-spyware-offline-installation/?do=findComment&comment=1220085). Adobe Photoshop CC 2017 OBS Studio 29 (https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?p=3763&hilit=obs#p3763) Mp3tag 3.26 Current version PCSX2 1.7.3195 SketchUp 2017 https://msfn.org/board/topic/181696-software-compatible-with-windows-vista-extended-kernel/?do=findComment&comment=1219131 SketchUp 2022 MuseScore 3.6.2 Current version (issues in VM) FL Studio 21 Office tools: LibreOffice 6.x LibreOffice 7.3.3 Current version (minor kerning/letter spacing issues) Microsoft Office 2013 (no way to activate it though) Developer tools: PowerShell 7.2.2 https://msfn.org/board/topic/186738-powershell-7-on-windows-vista-extended-kernel-done-properly/ Visual Studio Code 1.70.3 (download the x64 .zip package, installer does not work) VSCodium 1.74.1 (open source variant of Visual Studio Code) (download the x64 .zip package, installer does not work) Eclipse IDE 2022-09 Qt 5.10 Qt 6 Hardware – specific software & drivers: Logitech Gaming Software 9.02 AMD Catalyst Control Center 15.6 AMD Catalyst Video drivers 15.6 AMD Crimson edition drivers 17.10.1 (AMD Assorted driver pack by @jakob99 https://msfn.org/board/topic/184042-amd-radeon-graphics-driverdriver-pack-for-windows-vista/?do=findComment&comment=1227975) Modified NVIDIA Driver 378.66 (by @win32 This driver package is compatible with most GTX 1000 series GPUs except GT 1030, and is considered stable.) Modified NVIDIA Driver 382.16 Modified NVIDIA Driver 398.11 (by @win32 Newer driver with support for GT 1030 and OpenGL 4.6. Full compatibility is not assured at this time. Modified Intel HD Driver 9.17 (by @Ximonite Full support for OpenGL 4.0 features, among other optimizations are included) Games & benchmarks: Rocket League (versions before November 2019) Amnesia:Rebirth (info: January 2021) Europa Universalis IV Deltarune and Undertale (info: December 2021) Cinebench R20 Crusader Kings III Stellaris Divinity - Original Sin Enhanced Edition Other: Google Earth 7.3.3 Feather client April 2022 Current version (https://msfn.org/board/topic/181696-software-compatible-with-windows-vista-extended-kernel/?do=findComment&comment=1215861) Avast 18.8.4084.409 Roblox beta app (info: July 2022) Spotify (32-bit) https://msfn.org/board/topic/181696-software-compatible-with-windows-vista-extended-kernel/?do=findComment&comment=1221451 Wargaming.net Game Center v22.02.00.9193 Current version Whatsapp (confirmation needed) Current version - At the time of testing the aforementioned version was the latest, so newer ones are likely to work too. Feel free to report other programs. All trademarks are the property of their respective owners and are used here for identification purposes only.

I added that function. Seems to be have some issues which prevent Opera 72 from launching with sandbox for now, but it works fine with --no-sandbox.

yeah, i figured out major version and build number spoofing, but minor version spoofing seems to be harder. As I said before I will try to make an auxiliary function to indirectly feed it the minor version since directly feeding it fails.

Today, I learned something about those API Set DLLs (api-ms-win-core-*) while working on an auxiliary project (its contents will be eventually incorporated into this one). The legacy win32 subsystem DLLs like ole32/kernel32/user32 etc. started forwarding functions to the API Set DLLs in 7; this practice became more prevalent in 8 and 10. To the layman, it appears that these functions have been reduced to stubs, as they appear in the API Set DLLs. But many of the legacy DLLs are also being paired up with *base dlls (kernel32 = kernelbase, ole32 = combase, user32 = win32u(?). etc.). So I found that where an implementation does not exist in the legacy file, you must look in the corresponding base file. And that's where I found out that my implementations of VerLanguageInfoW and ResolveLocaleName were indeed useless stubs. Thus, a November update will be coming to fix those functions and possibly others affected by the same issue.

You can try using this method that is confirmed to work for the high-end 900 series cards including the Titan X. Just find the correct INF entries for your 1000 series card in a Windows 7 driver package and follow the instructions on the page I linked. There have been some reports of 1000 series cards working so there may be some hope.

Please do report HOW you: jaclaz