Supermium

[hidao]

13 minutes ago, Dixel said:

I'm NOT arguing with anyone, I'm politely asking @IDA-RE-thingsto provide proof. @IDA-RE-things joined very recently, and already started to accuse our veteran member win32, counting likes, so yeah, looks like he doesn't have a real active project at MSFN, and this question should be addressed to him, not me.

Edit: I don't "feel", it's written publicly, in plain text.

I don't know what happened, but I think everyone can post any idea by himself, never mind you are new user or old user

sorry about my bad English...

[D.Draker]

3 hours ago, hidao said:

I don't know what happened, but I think everyone can post any idea by himself, never mind you are new user or old user

sorry about my bad English...

Why do you post, then? If you don't know. Scroll back and read. In short, a newly joined member @IDA-RE-things accused our long time developer @win32of stealing his code, then the accuser was politely asked by another members to provide proof, instead we only got a longish text from him, without proof. Is it clear?

[D.Draker]

3 hours ago, NotHereToPlayGames said:

Are these not OPEN SOURCE GITHUB COMMITS?

NO! We were one million times trough it! Supermium is not open source, neither the dll which is published by @IDA-RE-things.

[NotHereToPlayGames]

Ok.  I guess I shall become a GitHub member and "report" both projects.
Admit in my "report" that I don't know who is right or who is wrong.
Only that I suspect the moderators of GitHub would like to know about possible Intellectual Property Theft occuring on their repositories.
Would that put an end to whatever-we-call-this?

[IDA-RE-things]

2 hours ago, Dixel said:

This seems like a rather weak, desperate attempt to draw attention away from the main, serious subject. I mean the subject of @IDA-RE-things accusing our respected member @win32 and Chromium Team of stealing his code.

Well, what kind of code theft can there be? There was no code theft. I said in that post that he probably took my idea. The IDEA. About how to do it. One way or another, he realized what I did there. And I dit it first in any case. So why one should help to project if the ideas wiil be borrowed?. Or another ideas without mentioning in comments on github earlier.

If he hides his ideas/knowhow in progwrp and dont want to share it with others, then someone else also want to do such thing (also to hide ideas).

And Chromium Team, of course, has nothing to do with it at all. (it was joke in that post).

Edited July 2, 2024 by IDA-RE-things

[Dave-H]

@IDA-RE-things

This is not our issue, and there's no reason for people here to feel that they need to take up cudgels on your behalf.
You and win32s(s) are on GitHub, and this issue, if it merits it, should be raised and resolved there.
FWIW, as far as I can see the 'borrowing' of someone else's code is something which should be asked for in advance as a matter of courtesy, and acknowledged by the 'borrower', and in many cases I'm sure that would be accepted by the code's originator, even with closed source projects.
If those niceties were not observed in this case, that's regrettable, but it's between you and win32s(s) and should be resolved on GitHub, not here.

[IDA-RE-things]

Guys, I say nothing about "Source code borrowing". Notning about source code. Because no one has source code :). Both DLL's are closed-source. The "code" in my term is anything of : "source code, binary code, ideas, taken from both of them".

And I'm about ideas after reverse-engineering of closed-source binaries.

And all of us know (and I positioned it initially as such) that my work originally was based on reverseenginering of his DLL and reimplementing it in my manner, to have source code to debug it and to improve it. And have provided it for people.
And I have mentioned this, when I have read “Hats off, how he optimized it.” Otherwise I would not have raised this topic at all.

But I will cite the post in which I said that such borrowing had already happened,
and after that I stopped publishing the annunciation of my DLL on his github.
https://github.com/win32ss/supermium/issues/574

 

Edited July 2, 2024 by IDA-RE-things

[D.Draker]

3 hours ago, IDA-RE-things said:

I will cite the post in which I said that such borrowing had already happened,
and after that I stopped publishing the annunciation of my DLL on his github.
https://github.com/win32ss/supermium/issues/574

@Dave-H already explained to you in plain English, this is not our issue, this whole borrowing matter is not up for the discussion at MSFN.

I can translate this into Russian, if it will make things more clear for you. Please stop posting regarding that subject. Thanks.

[D.Draker]

3 hours ago, IDA-RE-things said:

And I have mentioned this, when I have read “Hats off, how he optimized it.” Otherwise I would not have raised this topic at all.

@Jody Thornton and I, we both see this as an optimisation made by @win32, unless it's proven otherwise, it should be the default opinion since Supermium is developed solely by win32.

But then again, you're very welcome to take the matter up to the github admins. 

[IDA-RE-things]

17 hours ago, D.Draker said:

@Jody Thornton and I, we both see this as an optimisation made by @win32, unless it's proven otherwise, it should be the default opinion since Supermium is developed solely by win32.

But then again, you're very welcome to take the matter up to the github admins. 

You want to continue discussion?, ok. Where is you have seen such optimization? (made by Supermium project owner, not anyone else). Point me such commits. Are you programmer ? And what you mean under "developed solely by win32" ? What is developed ? The modification is not "developed solely". The main code developed by large Chromium Team. He constantly (version to version) takes the whole "upstream" code, sometime restores old Chromium commits, and do merged his modifications over this (mainly automatically by special tools, partially by hands). Its "Rebasing" process. But its even not a fork with architecture changes. It is modification. May be here and here (not small modification). But it not touches optimization at all, but mainly customization and adding small features, command line switches etc.  We must be just.
He "developed solely" small part of code (compared to rest) of his modification of the continuous upstream work, Ok, I do not argue.

He even does not matter about such things, without pointing him to them:

https://github.com/win32ss/supermium/issues/539

So where you seen him about "optimization does matter for me" ? This motto may be about Thorium project owner (at least does mater for him and he presents his work as fastest browser). But not Supermium. And if that were the case, I probably wouldn’t do anything in the project at all.

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PS: I'm 48 y.o. I headed the reversing subdivision, I was a project manager in the past as one of my occupations (at software company, where I was cofounder), not counting that I'm also programmer and researcher.
What do you think: I understand who is doing what in the project and what they are doing?.

I also reverse engineer tools for compiling and optimization. Every day. Years. Decades. Not commandline switches for some browser, but research and reversing of such tools, including many other projects (its in about me there).

But I see you (some of you) have made an icon or idol for yourself from one person, who is 22 y.o, and want to worship it. And you don’t care how it really is.
 

Edited July 3, 2024 by IDA-RE-things

[Saxon]

21 hours ago, IDA-RE-things said:

Thorium

Without @win32, Thorium wouldn't exist, we all remember how it was stuck at the old 109 version for decades without hopes. The same comes for the DLL you claim to make.

 

21 hours ago, IDA-RE-things said:

I see you (some of you) have made an icon or idol for yourself from one person, who is 22 y.o, and want to worship it. And you don’t care how it really is.

I don't like the tone you speak of our highly respected member win32. He's talented. What is the purpose for you being here? Make scandals? Talk that bad of win32?
I join the others and ask you to stop. 

[Saxon]

21 hours ago, IDA-RE-things said:

I'm 48 y.o. I headed the reversing subdivision, I was a project manager in the past as one of my occupations (at software company, where I was cofounder), not counting that I'm also programmer and researcher.
What do you think: I understand who is doing what in the project and what they are doing?.

I also reverse engineer tools for compiling and optimization. Every day. Years. Decades. Not commandline switches for some browser, but research and reversing of such tools, including many other projects (its in about me there).

I just searched Google for:"Russian browser for Windows XP or Vista". I saw zero results. If what you claim is true, why won't you simply make your own browser, not based on Supermium, huh?

Protect it with Xprot or similar (if you claim to have skills). This way no one would be able to "borrow" anything. Here I post this wonderful solution for your troubles.

 

[Dave-H]

OK, this is getting personal, and that must stop please.
This thread is to discuss technical aspects of the Supermium browser, not to have a debate about who may or may not have 'borrowed' code or ideas from whom.
If you want to discuss this further, take it to PMs.
Any continuation of the present discussion will be deleted.

[Dixel]

A new development, a very interesting optimisation I seem to have missed, somehow. It's a very hot summer this year, I guess,

Supermium adds a new flag: "revert-from-portable does re-encrypt the targetted profile and could be used for moving profiles without using any portable switches."

https://github.com/win32ss/supermium/issues/693#issuecomment-2198266351

Please post you feedback!

[Saxon]

On 6/26/2024 at 9:31 AM, shelby said:

vista64

I run on Vista x86, all is fine, mostly, so far. Except I kinda can't stand the fact of not being able to turn off Client Hints,