NotHereToPlayGames Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 57 minutes ago, msfntor said: @ArcticFoxie, have your builds this CSS3D support coded, please?... Yes. Chrome/Chromium support for CSS 3D pre-dates v86 by over a DECADE. Chromium v86 was released 06/10/2020 (day/month/year, I sure as Hades wish there was a universally-accepted date format!). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msfntor Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 (edited) "Yes. Chrome/Chromium support for CSS 3D pre-dates v86 by over a DECADE. Chromium v86 was released 06/10/2020 (day/month/year, I sure as Hades wish there was a universally-accepted date format!). From your screenshot - CSS 3D Transformations first introduced in Chrome: 28/08/2010. Thank you! So what is my problem maps don't work here? MAYBE I'm blocking CSS animations somewhere, but where? Edited March 16, 2023 by msfntor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotHereToPlayGames Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 (edited) 46 minutes ago, msfntor said: MAYBE I'm blocking CSS animations somewhere, but where? Did you try in an INCOGNITO WINDOW? And without setting any extensions to be allowed during Incognito Mode. Edited March 16, 2023 by NotHereToPlayGames 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotHereToPlayGames Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 Also, unless I'm mistaken, you run XP x86 SP2. XP x86 SP2 was released in August 2004! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 4 hours ago, msfntor said: Hi @Chuck, have you this api.superguidatv.it allowed in your other security extensions (to to be able to show the images), please? What other security extensions you use, maybe "Domain whitelist"? Search this api inside, and allow... Let's be more precise with the nomenclature: what is this "vanilla browser" you downloaded, isn't it one of the ArcticFoxie forks? EDIT: You wrote too: "Edit: 360ee version that I use and works is 11." - it's this browser you use?... Why not 13 or 13.5? Try... In v12 all images are already here... I don't have v11 to test... But if you mean, that you "just downloaded" your browser, without extensions for the moment, then either you made a mistake in the choosing the fork, or it's the fault of your Windows. PS. Could you specify your OS in your profile settings?... Hi. The browsers tested has been just downloaded from archive.org so they contain no extensions and are launched without anything installed (that's what I meant for vanilla). I updated the system certificates again, though they has been updated 2 months ago, tried rebooting but still no https in that site on anything else then 360ee 11 and no images showed, tested in 360ee 12, 13.0, kafan minibrowser and DC browser (the last one I think will be my choice if I can get it to work because exhibits comparable performance with 360ee 11) To me 360ee 12 won't show images on that site too, anyway it's too heavy for my PC (for surfing and streaming at the same time) P.S. operating system Is windows XP SP3 with all security updates (no posready). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotHereToPlayGames Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 7 minutes ago, Chuck said: I updated the system certificates again That could be your problem. I have never in my entire life "updated" system certificates. How they update "behind the scenes" is unknown, but I have never in my entire life "manually updated" system certificates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 8 minutes ago, NotHereToPlayGames said: That could be your problem. I have never in my entire life "updated" system certificates. How they update "behind the scenes" is unknown, but I have never in my entire life "manually updated" system certificates. I followed a guide on XPforums.com, the certificates gets downloaded from windows update site, which is there (even if says that is not a guide it worked because shows https on more sites than before): https://www.xpforums.com/threads/360-extreme-explorer-chrome-69-for-windows-xp.934574/page-3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 (edited) I found the curlprit about missing images in superguidatv.it and some other sites on 360ee 12, 13 kafan minibrowser and DC browser. It has to do with JavaScript. Trying disabling and re-enabling it makes no difference. Disabling it into 360ee 11 exhibits the same behavior. Is there any way to fix it? Edit: opening the console shows lot of errors about invalid certificate even on working https site, so probably update browser certificates will fix JavaScript too. Edit 2: tried to install the cloudflare ECC CA-3 certificate, which appears to be invalid. I got it from cloudflare site, it gest installed but says invalid signature, maybe XP is not supported? But I don't know why for 360ee 11 is not a problem. Edited March 16, 2023 by Chuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mina7601 Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 7 hours ago, msfntor said: So now you understand, right? Yes. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotHereToPlayGames Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Chuck said: so probably update browser certificates will fix JavaScript too. In my opinion, one should NEVER "manually update" certificates. While other MSFN Members would equally swear the exact opposite as their opinion. I've NEVER updated my "certificates" and I have no problem whatsoever with the web site in question. Chrome/Chromium uses XP's "certificate store". I let XP manage that "certificate store". "Opinions are like butts. Everybody has one, not everybody wants to hear them." Edited March 16, 2023 by NotHereToPlayGames 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VistaLover Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Chuck said: tried to install the cloudflare ECC CA-3 certificate Elliptic Curve Cryptography (ECC) is NOT supported by Windows XP SP3, has never been, even with the POSReady updates... But some POSReady update(s) did implement native TLS v1.1/1.2 support in XP - don't ask me for further details, running Vista SP2 here... To update your XP Microsoft Store certs, see below: https://msfn.org/board/topic/183352-proxhttpsproxy-and-httpsproxy-in-windows-xp-for-future-use/ Edited March 16, 2023 by VistaLover 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 5 minutes ago, VistaLover said: Elliptic Curve Cryptography (ECC) is NOT supported by Windows XP SP3, has never been, even with the POSReady updates... But some POSReady update(s) did implement native HTTP 1.1/1.2 support in XP - don't ask me for further details, running Vista SP2 here... To update your XP Microsoft Store certs, see below: https://msfn.org/board/topic/183352-proxhttpsproxy-and-httpsproxy-in-windows-xp-for-future-use/ Thanks I'll try that. But why it works correctly in 360ee 11 remains a mistery. I've seen a section in it called 360ee trusted certificates or something similar, who knows if got to do with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humming Owl Posted March 16, 2023 Author Share Posted March 16, 2023 2 hours ago, Chuck said: I found the curlprit about missing images in superguidatv.it and some other sites on 360ee 12, 13 kafan minibrowser and DC browser. It has to do with JavaScript. Trying disabling and re-enabling it makes no difference. Disabling it into 360ee 11 exhibits the same behavior. Is there any way to fix it? Edit: opening the console shows lot of errors about invalid certificate even on working https site, so probably update browser certificates will fix JavaScript too. Edit 2: tried to install the cloudflare ECC CA-3 certificate, which appears to be invalid. I got it from cloudflare site, it gest installed but says invalid signature, maybe XP is not supported? But I don't know why for 360ee 11 is not a problem. Certificate issues are always going to be a problem with XP. It is something related to XP not having support for some newer certificate types. These browsers were not built to treat those certificates issues so you should expect these problems to vary between browser versions and different websites. There are some tools to manually update XP certs as the one @VistaLover pointed. You may be able to fix some of the certificate errors by using that tool. Cheers. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VistaLover Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 @Chuck : Also take note of the "workaround" posted by @rereser: https://www.xpforums.com/threads/360-extreme-explorer-chrome-69-for-windows-xp.934574/page-3#post-3269734 Quote there is a trick to get a green padlock on most sites. right click the shortcut to the 360loader.exe. select properties / compatibility / set compatibility mode to windows 2000. as a result, this will also now present you with the option to store passwords in the browser. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 10 minutes ago, VistaLover said: @Chuck : Also take note of the "workaround" posted by @rereser: https://www.xpforums.com/threads/360-extreme-explorer-chrome-69-for-windows-xp.934574/page-3#post-3269734 Thanks, it worked! I don't know how and why, in addition it's interesting that compatibility mode gets removed after the browser gets launched, really strange, but when a site refuses to cooperate I can just re enable compatibility mode and relaunch. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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