Can Windows XP Pro x86 *Safely* TRIM an SSD?

[muzungu]

Me too my ssds are considered "unsupported" but the trim works for me anyway! I guess you cannot update firmware, but Trim works.

[Dave-H]

The SSD life monitoring driver NSTDiagSvc_New.exe crashes for me when the system boots. It slows down the boot and ends up not running.
If I then run it manually it seems to start fine.
Is anyone else finding this?

[dencorso]

What's NSTDiagSvc_New.exe? Whence did you get it?

[Dave-H]

It's in the Naraeon\SSD Tools folder with all its other files, at least it is on my system!
It's in my Services list as "Naraeon SSD Tools - SSD life alerter".

[Mathwiz]

Free download at SourceForge: https://sourceforge.net/projects/naraeon-ssd/

[reboot12]

Quote

If you’re comfortable with command-line disk management tools, you can use the Diskpart utility from the setup program to create the necessary partition. At the beginning of setup, before you select the location where you want to install Windows:

Press Shift+F10 to open a Command Prompt window

Type diskpart to enter the Diskpart environment

Assuming you have a single clean hard disk, use select disk 0 and create partition primary to manually create a new partition

Proceed with the Windows 7 setup, using this new partition as the setup location

You can also use the program Active@ Partition Manager 2.6.5 in LiveXP e.g. LiveXP Project LX.061412, Gena or WinFLP:

diskpart xp vs diskpart 7

Edited November 3, 2018 by reboot12

[caliber]

On 10/1/2018 at 3:50 PM, muzungu said:

And there is also a free toolbox working for me with xp, and fat32 : Naraeon ssd tools.

Didn't work in v.4, but now it works flawlessly! It's a samsung engineer who made it.

link : https://sourceforge.net/projects/naraeon-ssd/

 

Samsung Magician tool has always been compatible with XP trim. they make the best SSD's and respect XP users as well.

Edited November 19, 2018 by caliber

[jaclaz]

1 hour ago, caliber said:

Samsung Magician tool has always been compatible with XP trim. they make the best SSD's and respect XP users as well.

And that is hardly "news", as it has already been stated on this thread since 2015.

jaclaz

[Dibya]

On 12/8/2017 at 2:03 PM, rloew said:

My TRIM Program reads the FAT Table to determine what Clusters are free and TRIMs them. This is independent of the Operating System that writes the data.

Any garbage collection needs to be done by the OS, so you would need to have it running the OS while idling. I have no idea how much garbage collection XP does.

Idling in DOS or the BIOS will have no effect. Do the TRIM after any idling you choose to do.

Why no NTFS support

[rloew]

I focus more on Windows 9x Applications.

NTFS TRIM Programs already existed.

I don't have enough documentation on NTFS to write one.

You can TRIM a NTFS Partition by Zero filling it and then use the Zero TRIM Mode in my Program.

[roytam1]

to prevent TRIM issues that may happen, I chose WD VelociRaptor 1TB instead.

[e-t-c]

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Edited November 24, 2018 by e-t-c

[TrevMUN]

Hey guys, apologies for the necro, but I thought it would be better to ask here and get some definitive confirmation before I go about doing this. I've been reading through the thread, but the ensuing conversation from it has made it a little difficult to determine the best course of action.

I recently bought a Kingston 120GB SSDnow v300 for my pending overhaul of my desktop computer. I plan to have put the OS (XP64) on it, as well as one or two programs that would benefit from loading from the SSD provided I can find a way to keep said programs from constantly writing to the disk.

I don't think I have easy access to a machine with Windows 7 on it. I may, but I am not entirely sure, have Windows 7 repair discs on me. Provided I remembered to pack those when I moved cross-country. If I can find them, can I use them to format an SSD as per the recommendation that Windows 7 be used to format SSDs for XP?

Are there other ways to align the SSD for use with XP, specifically XP64?

Finally, what programs are recommended to TRIM a Kingston SSD? I was thinking I could use XP's task scheduler to have the program automatically launch or even execute the TRIM weekly, unless the program can do so automatically so long as it's running in the background.

[Dave-H]

I'm not sure why you would need to format using Windows 7.
I have Windows XP and Windows 98SE running on a partitioned SSD and I formatted it (FAT32 of course) using Windows 98SE as I've always done!
I did try the Naraeon TRIM program mentioned earlier in the thread, but it doesn't actually support my SSDs, which are all Seagate ones.
It may be OK with yours though.
Although I have Windows 10 on the machine as well, it won't TRIM FAT32 volumes, so I actually trim the FAT32 SSDs using RLoew's DOS TRIM tool!

[jaclaz]

13 minutes ago, Dave-H said:

I'm not sure why you would need to format using Windows 7.
I have Windows XP and Windows 98SE running on a partitioned SSD and I formatted it (FAT32 of course) using Windows 98SE as I've always done!
I did try the Naraeon TRIM program mentioned earlier in the thread, but it doesn't actually support my SSDs, which are all Seagate ones.
It may be OK with yours though.
Although I have Windows 10 on the machine as well, it won't TRIM FAT32 volumes, so I actually trim the FAT32 SSDs using RLoew's DOS TRIM tool!

Well, then you formatted it "wrongly".

Unless special provisions are made, the "normal" (pre-Vista) OS FDISK or similar partitioning tools create the "wrong" offset to the volume(s).

AND if you are using FAT/FAT32 even using a proper alignment to the partition, the volume contents will come out unaligned.

See:

And:

http://reboot.pro/topic/16775-discover-allocation-unit-and-other-information-of-ufd-under-windows/

http://reboot.pro/topic/16783-rmprepusb-faster-fat32-write-access-on-flash-memory-drives/

And:

http://reboot.pro/topic/18182-uefi-multi-make-multi-boot-usb-drive/?p=209528

jaclaz