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“My expectations were reduced to zero when I was 21. Everything since then has been a bonus." ~ Stephen Hawking

As of now, my American Water billpay web site is the only site I have to visit that requires a polyfill javascript engine. Consumer choice always has a choice, if your weather forecast web site stops working because you prefer XP and a non-polyfill web browser, you can always find a different weather forecast web site. But I can't do that with American Water, I have to use their web site But I don't have to use "all" of their web site - I only need to log in, see how much I owe, then log out. I make the payment from my checking account access, not the billpay web site. So... The login web page plus the landing page after you log in is 225 unique .js files. (This in-and-of-itself is just plain stupid!). I can ignore the login web page, I can log in fine without polyfill. The landing page after you log in is what does not work without polyfill - and that page has 157 unique .js files (one or two of these is actually injected by my Proxomitron config). I've been able to eliminate 127 of those 157 .js files - I can view the landing page, my balance due, the due date, and can log off. So one of these 30 remaining .js files is my culprit (minus the one or two injected by Proxomitron). Fingers still crossed, I would love to get this web site to no longer require a "modern" web browser! This has been a learning experience, that's for sure. American Water has a .js file for disputing your bill, a .js file to report a duplicate bill, a .js file for adjusting your bill, a .js file to disconnect or reconnect service, a .js file for a hardship loan if you can't pay your bill due to Covid, at least three .js files for water quality concerns, several .js files for viewing .pdf files as if our browser doesn't already know how to view them, paperless billing .js files, autopay .js files, change of address or moving .js files, time zone .js files, mailing address .js files, .zip .js files, high usage or water leak detected .js files, delinquent payment .js files, delinquent dispute balance .js files, print-preview .js files, conservation tips .js files, cash payment location .js files, et cetera. It's like every department within American Water is responsible for their own departmental need .js files. What a nightmare - none of them are "needed" as far as I'm concerned. I just want to know how much I owe and when it is due!

Noted, thanks. My saga - I've stumbled into a rather surprising find. American Water's billpay web site has this .js -- https://mywaterv2.amwater.com/main-ui/solutions/enhancedportal/js/googleAnalytics.js?=@2.3.2.3-RELEASE-1648758222340 They're using a GOOGLE ANALYTICS script that they saved to their own domain and the billpay sites will not work if you block this GOOGLE ANALYTICS script.

Pretty much what I expected. Will make the browser interface EXTREMELY difficult to use. 12-character "words" compressed to 6-character "abbreviations". 8 compressed to 4. 16 compressed to 8. I didn't dive deep enough to get that far, but deep enough to know I would not like using a browser with "abbreviations" all over the place.

I could not get this to work with Tampermonkey v4.13 and 360Chrome v11. I had to also go into the userscript's settings tab and set "Run only in top frame" to NO. But this would only get "half" of GitHub to work, the file descriptions and dates would fill in but the button to the left of the green Code button would not. @InterLinked's chromefill does work as an extension, but I would prefer for it to work via Tampermonkey.

I think I'm on to something. My weekend mission is attempting to get American Water web site to work in 360Chrome v11 by using @UCyborg polyfill tricks. American Water serves 14 million people spanning 46 US States - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Water_Works Total US population is 332.4 million so directly affecting 14 million might not sound like much, especially since I can only assume that most pay their bill via PHONE and not "web brower" via desktop or laptop computer.

How were you able to narrow down https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/api/winuser/nf-winuser-createwindowexa issues to the index-docs.js file in particular? Or was it a process of elimination and fairly easy with only having one global sub-folder .js and one scripts sub-folder .js? How would one narrow down a web site with 225 .js files?

Well, unless it's that lib/main.js portion, just changing the polyfills .js didn't get me anywhere. Javascript console appears to be narrowing it down for me - to one or several of 109 "enhanced portal" .js files out of 179 "enhanced portal" .js files, and that's out of a total of 225 .js files altogether - just to pay my water bill !

How did you determine if this step is required or not? As I may have to add this to "chromefill" since I'm trying this on 360Chrome v11 and you are using something Mozilla-based.

Babel doesn't seem to do anything. Is there supposed to be a corrected .js in the right column? Disregard, I think I got it.

And I suppose it should be no surprise that my water bill has a GIGANTIC .js file with polyfills right in the file name -

Then this was the first file size observed when seeing if I can use this trick to pay my water bill without a "modern" web browser -

lol, I know, right? I guess we can't win 'em all

Noted. Off to do some experimenting. Love seeing Proxomitron Reborn being utilized!

What settings did you set within the left column of Babel in order to convert the .js?

Wow! I think that's the largest .js file I've witnessed in a long time.

Telemetry has been blocked in both. I hard-code everything that HO hard-codes with the exception of default search engines. I remove them by other means and HO replaces multi-character Chinese strings with a finite number of English strings so as not to affect address locations. Which means the default search engine is named "Ggle" because the address locations would break the entire browser if the name "Google" was used. I alter the GUI and correct missing tags in the original Chinese and the Russian Repack that both have the GUI "jumping" when a settings page goes from Page 2 to Page 3 and "jumps again" when closing Page 3 and returning to Page 2. My GUI is for XP. I have a very strong dislike for having 200 programs on my XP and only ONE of them not using XP icons, so my versions have an XP theme to avoid this "OCD Trigger" of not looking like XP when ran on XP. MY GUI disables and hides portions of the settings pages that could be used to turn telemetry back on. The telemetry has been removed, but why risk the end user trying to turn a broken function back on? HO versions throw a nag screen when you run it for the very first time, mine do not. HO versions are "installed" versions and mine are "portable" versions that maintain their own registry file and do not keep settings saved in the Windows Registry.

Major mea culpa. I scrolled back a page and yep, it was a direct quote. Paint me blue and throw me in Times Square. My only defense is that my shortcut is for the Unread Content page and all I saw, mistakingly, was a post about tweaks and skins in a Windows 11 thread.

Hmmm, ooops. It is very easy to lose track of who is quoting who when it's just a reply with no actual "quote". vinifera specifically stated, and I quote, "but after i did my tweaking, and did my visual skins, it was so much better", so yes, I assumed that he/she had some tweaks and skins he/she would share.

My primary computer is an i7-4770 @ 3.4GHz with 16GB RAM running XP x64 and five 21" widescreen monitors. Not exactly top-of-the-line but extremely capable of running 7 and 10 and it has had both on it throughout the years. I use v11 on it and all eight of my nine computers. My only exception has been my water bill payment web site and I use v13 for that one-and-only web site. I've never been able to figure out WHY, but v13.5 crashes on my first run after each and every reboot. D#mn annoying! Haven't been able to figure out WHY. All nine of my computers crash after every reboot whenever I launch v13.5. Default service that my XP setups disable? Graphics cards on older hardware? No clue.

No disagreement from me. I'm not trying to play both sides, so to speak, I just think both sides are correct. However, I do not "buy into" the premise of "scare tactics" in regards to web browser "security". I think the world does a lot of "bs" all in the name of "security" and it's all just a gigantic propaganda Love Fest frothed at the mouths of "newer is better" protagonists. I think that anit-virus software is a "bs" industry perpetuated by "fear mongering" in the name of "security". I've only been on MSFN for a couple years or so - but around long enough for the "regulars" to know that my stance has always been the same, unwavering. I have always been a proponent that "safe browsing habits" trumps any "green padlock" shown in your browsers address bar. People do a lot of "stupid stuff" and disguise that as "security". Things like "Do Not Track Me" settings which anybody that knows anything knows is a USELESS web browser setting that does not have to be implemented at the server-side just because the client "requested" 'DNT'. I have SIXTEEN banking sites that I use each and every day on XP and I am just as "secure" as the "newer is better" crowd visiting those SIXTEEN banking sites on resource-hungry polyfilled BLOATWARE. We should all just agree to disagree. I don't know the numbers, but the vast MAJORITY of MSFN members run XP, Vista, and 7 - not "newer is better" 10 or 11. This web site would be "dead" without the XP crowd.

Agreed! I have a '55 Dodge with no power steering, drum brakes instead of ant-lock discs, and no seat belts. When "safety-feature activists" lecture me on driving something without "safety features", I just snark sarcastically, "It's safety feature is NO CUP HOLDERS, she's got FOUR ash trays, but NO CUP HOLDERS. And I don't even smoke."

Same thing happens with my water bill payment web site. I am "forced" to use 360Chrome v13 for that one solitary web site. Everything else I need the web for can be achieved with 360Chrome v11 without github-wc-polyfill. But github-wc-polyfill is not a fix-all or I would be able to pay my water bill with github-wc-polyfill added to 360Chrome v11, which I cannot, I "have to" use v13 I was not trying to push anti-XP, I hope it didn't come across that way, I use XP on 7 of my 9 computers I can still love and use XP but still agree with 90% of what an anti-XP'er has to say - HIS views on XP will NOT alter MY views of XP. In fact, I'll go so far as to make this claim - without XP, MSFN would be DEAD. XP threads seem to FAR outweigh non-XP threads. But maybe that's just the "rose colored glasses" I'm wearing, lol.

Cool! I'll update the links in the first post to include the ?dl=1