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And I suppose it should be no surprise that my water bill has a GIGANTIC .js file with polyfills right in the file name -

Then this was the first file size observed when seeing if I can use this trick to pay my water bill without a "modern" web browser -

lol, I know, right? I guess we can't win 'em all

Noted. Off to do some experimenting. Love seeing Proxomitron Reborn being utilized!

What settings did you set within the left column of Babel in order to convert the .js?

Wow! I think that's the largest .js file I've witnessed in a long time.

Telemetry has been blocked in both. I hard-code everything that HO hard-codes with the exception of default search engines. I remove them by other means and HO replaces multi-character Chinese strings with a finite number of English strings so as not to affect address locations. Which means the default search engine is named "Ggle" because the address locations would break the entire browser if the name "Google" was used. I alter the GUI and correct missing tags in the original Chinese and the Russian Repack that both have the GUI "jumping" when a settings page goes from Page 2 to Page 3 and "jumps again" when closing Page 3 and returning to Page 2. My GUI is for XP. I have a very strong dislike for having 200 programs on my XP and only ONE of them not using XP icons, so my versions have an XP theme to avoid this "OCD Trigger" of not looking like XP when ran on XP. MY GUI disables and hides portions of the settings pages that could be used to turn telemetry back on. The telemetry has been removed, but why risk the end user trying to turn a broken function back on? HO versions throw a nag screen when you run it for the very first time, mine do not. HO versions are "installed" versions and mine are "portable" versions that maintain their own registry file and do not keep settings saved in the Windows Registry.

Major mea culpa. I scrolled back a page and yep, it was a direct quote. Paint me blue and throw me in Times Square. My only defense is that my shortcut is for the Unread Content page and all I saw, mistakingly, was a post about tweaks and skins in a Windows 11 thread.

Hmmm, ooops. It is very easy to lose track of who is quoting who when it's just a reply with no actual "quote". vinifera specifically stated, and I quote, "but after i did my tweaking, and did my visual skins, it was so much better", so yes, I assumed that he/she had some tweaks and skins he/she would share.

My primary computer is an i7-4770 @ 3.4GHz with 16GB RAM running XP x64 and five 21" widescreen monitors. Not exactly top-of-the-line but extremely capable of running 7 and 10 and it has had both on it throughout the years. I use v11 on it and all eight of my nine computers. My only exception has been my water bill payment web site and I use v13 for that one-and-only web site. I've never been able to figure out WHY, but v13.5 crashes on my first run after each and every reboot. D#mn annoying! Haven't been able to figure out WHY. All nine of my computers crash after every reboot whenever I launch v13.5. Default service that my XP setups disable? Graphics cards on older hardware? No clue.

No disagreement from me. I'm not trying to play both sides, so to speak, I just think both sides are correct. However, I do not "buy into" the premise of "scare tactics" in regards to web browser "security". I think the world does a lot of "bs" all in the name of "security" and it's all just a gigantic propaganda Love Fest frothed at the mouths of "newer is better" protagonists. I think that anit-virus software is a "bs" industry perpetuated by "fear mongering" in the name of "security". I've only been on MSFN for a couple years or so - but around long enough for the "regulars" to know that my stance has always been the same, unwavering. I have always been a proponent that "safe browsing habits" trumps any "green padlock" shown in your browsers address bar. People do a lot of "stupid stuff" and disguise that as "security". Things like "Do Not Track Me" settings which anybody that knows anything knows is a USELESS web browser setting that does not have to be implemented at the server-side just because the client "requested" 'DNT'. I have SIXTEEN banking sites that I use each and every day on XP and I am just as "secure" as the "newer is better" crowd visiting those SIXTEEN banking sites on resource-hungry polyfilled BLOATWARE. We should all just agree to disagree. I don't know the numbers, but the vast MAJORITY of MSFN members run XP, Vista, and 7 - not "newer is better" 10 or 11. This web site would be "dead" without the XP crowd.

Agreed! I have a '55 Dodge with no power steering, drum brakes instead of ant-lock discs, and no seat belts. When "safety-feature activists" lecture me on driving something without "safety features", I just snark sarcastically, "It's safety feature is NO CUP HOLDERS, she's got FOUR ash trays, but NO CUP HOLDERS. And I don't even smoke."

Same thing happens with my water bill payment web site. I am "forced" to use 360Chrome v13 for that one solitary web site. Everything else I need the web for can be achieved with 360Chrome v11 without github-wc-polyfill. But github-wc-polyfill is not a fix-all or I would be able to pay my water bill with github-wc-polyfill added to 360Chrome v11, which I cannot, I "have to" use v13 I was not trying to push anti-XP, I hope it didn't come across that way, I use XP on 7 of my 9 computers I can still love and use XP but still agree with 90% of what an anti-XP'er has to say - HIS views on XP will NOT alter MY views of XP. In fact, I'll go so far as to make this claim - without XP, MSFN would be DEAD. XP threads seem to FAR outweigh non-XP threads. But maybe that's just the "rose colored glasses" I'm wearing, lol.

Cool! I'll update the links in the first post to include the ?dl=1

Seems to me that your first post lead us all down a Rabbit Hole that you do use 11 and that you tweaked it, added some skins, and it was "much better", even if that use is only a VM or a secondary computer. The thread is about Windows 11 - you kind of wasted our time into thinking you didn't like it by default but that you tweaked it. I'm done here, moving on...

I can agree to 90% of your post but I do take a bit of an issue with the "hype and propaganda" contained within this sentence. No offense, I do agree with 90% of your viewpoint. XP is dead - does not stop me from using it as my "daily driver". Roytam browsers are dead - I stopped using them two and a half years ago! But I see too much "hype and propaganda" (reminds me of political "throw grandma from the cliff" ads here in the States) in ANY statement citing "security" above-and-beyond consumer-choice and XP is this consumers choice - for now.

If anyone wishes to host files, I'm all for it. But as is, I have too many hours on the project and hunting down another hosting site is zero priority on my end no matter how many "just wondering" pychological ploys are played. The very reason that something like Dropbox doesn't work on your browser *IS* the very reason you should consider more 'advanced' browsers, but anywhooo...

Dropbox is known to be problematic with some Mozilla-based browsers but it is the only hosting site I have. It seems to download okay in the only Mozilla-based browser I keep around (BNavigator 20210820) -- https://o.rthost.win/boc-uxp/bnavigator.win32-20210821-355db4de-uxp-4ac28d1d4-xpmod.7z (Time Zone difference always has Roytam's about screen and download link off by one day)

I'm more interested in documented "tweaks" you have done to 11.

I didn't really read any condescension, per se. Disliked the pro-Mac rhetoric and the banking reference. Bingo! And that INCLUDES banking web sites. I once contacted Customer Service for one of the three largest credit card companies and requested to speak with the supervisor of the customer service representative. Then pulled teeth to get that supervisor to properly direct my call. All on account of me attempting to pay my credit card in a SECURE manner but their web site pulling over 60+ javascript files and I saw 8 (if I recall correctly) in the list that were coming from FACEBOOK and I don't even have a Facebook account. Quite a bit off-topic, apologies for the "rant". But it is kinda related, all these polyfills, from the way I understand it, all come into play NOT because the site you are visiting is employing them, but because they have OUTSOURCED large portions of their "web design". The "chaining" aspect of polyfill disturbs me, sounds similar to what "script kiddies" used to do when they "obfuscated" their code.

I think the operative word there is "talked" and it is PAST TENSE. The theory seems to have been dropped and there is no "current" discussion. I think more and more are realizing that non-polyfill javascript engines are "dying", if not already "dead".

Post/thread is basically abandoned by the creator.

True. I have much better performance and functionality on my tweaked XP then I ever had with 2000. How about posting a how-to guide on your tweaks? I'm sure "somebody" will be interested (I personally do not have 11 and no plans to - but if your guide can demonstrate true performance improvements, then maybe 11 is in my future).

This seems fitting -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lipstick_on_a_pig

Perhaps the BIGGEST difference is that mine is intended for XP but does work in other OSes. I have a strong "dislike" for XP programs that do not look like XP so my version uses the XP icons.