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No idea about subsections, but what's long since needed are separate topics for separate browsers (NewMoon, Basilisk, rzbrowser, rz-suite, KG, ...) The prob is, I asked him before, but he declined as usual for such user needs, because they are not his own needs. But if more people care now, perhaps there's finally a chance :-)

New Moon works because it's a Gecko-family browser. Have recently learned that those come with their own module for handling TLS-certificate-stuff (and updated by roytam1 in his builds). While most other browsers and apps use the (outdated) systems module for it, and that system stuff seems extremely complicated to update, if possible at all.

That's Firefox 3.5 with TLS1.2, right...? That's much more advanced as the engine in retrozilla-FF2, but nearly impossible to find a download link! Would be great if you could add it easily findable to to your rths site too.

Great, love it that roytam's server is available on both protocols, http AND https! :-) That said, even on https the encryption is really tame, even my very old main browser which has max TLS1.0 has zero probs there.

Sorry have no clue of system stuff, but this topic is already two days old, so just a few thoughts. What browser are you using? Could it be it's just too old for TLS1.2? There are some updated forks for XP available around here, several e.g. by roytam1. As they are based on Gecko, they don't depend from the systems certificates. A little list with their system requirements is direly missing though, that's very confusing. Especially: which ones need XP-SP3, and which still run on SP2? Which ones run without SSE, or only with SSE2? Which ones are still allowed by google's reCaptcha? https://msfn.org/board/topic/177703-browsers-for-xp-after-the-end-of-firefox-updates-on-september-5-2018/ https://msfn.org/board/topic/177125-my-build-of-new-moon-temp-name-aka-pale-moon-for-xp/?page=92 Another trap: some major sites have started intentionally kicking XP users, but luckily decide this by the useragent string. If yours is set to default, it sends "Windows NT5...". If true, would try if it helps to fake it to Windows NT6.1 (=Win7) If no addon, by setting this pref in about:config page: general.useragent.override = Mozilla...

@VistaLover Kind and helpful people like you make this forum warmer and inviting to visit more frequently. Nasty egoboosters having fun trampling over innocent others make forums icy and hostile. Keep your 'longwinded' postings coming please. Always very valuable and interesting! Although I usually don't react, but appreciate them, very much :)

@VistaLover If you have the direct link to a style description, try this: just add ".css" in the urlbar and load The source-code has a whole bunch of metatags, all starting with <link rel="stylish... for different browsers. But be cautious with the website itself, IIRC stylish-addon and userstyles.org was bought by a datacollector-company for lots of money awhile ago.

@NM-Newbie If blocking that icon-pref doesn't help, perhaps the culprit is something else, some other changed default pref or whatever? But if performance and bandwith are really crucial, I'd just block all "media" (video and audio) by default, then only allow temporarily when needed. Firefox had since ages a global pref for this ("permissions.default.media" / INT 1,2,3), which was so well hidden that it never even showed up on about:config, but worked anyway when users created it themselves there. Along with a bunch of other handy "permissions.default.xxxx" settings. Hopefully still works in newer versions too? Or take a look at the "Block Content" addon, which offers a menu for that stuff too.

Am trying to download since half an hour, but as so often no chance. When clicking the link, GMX only keeps giving a foggy "unsupported browser or missing settings" error and redirects to main page. Tried different browsers and settings, but no luck yet. Any chance to get it from a more userfriendly (or old system friendly) hoster? Perhaps tinyupload?

Very interesting, wasn't aware that simple webm-links can still play standalone in old browsers! (provided the system has enough resources, which mine hasn't, but luckily I prefer to download anyway). Anyway, can confirm that webm-links do play live in K-Goanna74 too, no waiting until the whole file is downloaded (98se with KernelEx) What I'm using is a slightly modified userscript. This brilliant original one: https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/1317-download-youtube-videos-as-mp4/code Inside have switched on webm, added 3gp links and some other formats, have made the links visible always (without JS) etc. Am very happy with it, especially that 3gp-240p has much smaller filesizes as mp4. That's a little prob with webm, the files are the largest, even 50% larger as mp4 with 360p. But my modifications are very un-professional, and have no clue how modified scripts should be posted 'orderly'? Perhaps someone can use it anyway, so here just as draft, hoping someone else takes over... http://s000.tinyupload.com/?file_id=00977040496796363784

Great to see progress and a new version, thanks! :-) Oh, if that's an invitation for a wishlist, I've been wondering about Merkaartor(.be) It's probably the only openstreetmap-editor for low ressources and a system without Java. Except that I can't get it to start due to a kernel error. No idea but perhaps it just needs a fake stub too? The error is a "missing Export-Kernel32.dll: AddVectoredExceptionHandler".

For that purpose you can simply use another browser. Enough forked alternatives available yet on XP. Why does it have to be IE8, which is too complicated to get to handle TLS1.2?

Thanks, now it starts making sense again! So the router reset had nothing to do with the prob at all, and before and after all works fine, web connection and router config page. The only issue is that in the long meantime since the previous config access, (probably) some more obsolete ciphers or SSL/TLS-versions were disabled in the browser prefs, which must temporarily be enabled again for the router config...

How can this happen, so suddenly? Without any change in the hardware, nor any change in the software?? Completely confused. And am used to sit here struggling all the time with the opposite problem, old system on modern web, but that's at least somehow logical ;-) And wonder if the various SSL+TLS pref settings couldn't help perhaps, or the clock is delayed, whatever.

Ah yet another pref, wasn't aware of that one yet :) But it gets yet more complicated: Acc. to goanna.js in omni.ja, the file with almost 2000 default prefs, there's also a Gecko-compat: For Goanna-browsers version PM26+28: 6. general.useragent.compatMode.gecko = true/false While Goanna-browsers version PM27 are completely different! 7. general.useragent.compatMode = 0/1/2 (INT) In K-Meleon7677-Goanna27 it produces: 0 = Goanna + K-Meleon 1 = Gecko + Goanna + KM 2 = Gecko + Goanna + Firefox + KM Results with K-Meleon74-Goanna26 (v20180718) on my system: FF-false / gecko-false: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.0; rv:2.2) Goanna/20140105 K-Meleon/2.2.0 FF-false / gecko-true: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.0; rv:2.2) Gecko/20100101 Goanna/20140105 K-Meleon/2.2.0 FF-true / gecko-true: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.0; rv:38.9) Gecko/20100101 Goanna/2.2 Firefox/38.9 K-Meleon/2.2.0 FF-true / gecko-false: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.0; rv:38.9) Goanna/2.2 Firefox/38.9 K-Meleon/2.2.0 (am slightly confused now about the 2.2.0 at the end, thought had gotten KM74 in older tests, on XP, does the system influence this?)

Could be plugin or addon related. Something like jdownloader with an "openload" plugin installed perhaps? https://board.jdownloader.org/showthread.php?t=78010&page=7

Just wondering, when did FF stop supporting it? Or could it be it works again when using only the native prefs and disabling all UA addons? Because in K-Meleon I noticed a very similar extension as UAcontrol was actually highjacking the native pref "general.useragents.override", rendering it completely useless, even when modified manually in aboutconfig. Which caused a lot of misunderstandings and confusion because no one realized it. About site-settings I only know the native FF-prefs (...websitehere.com) work fine in K-Meleon too.

@Jasenna From your post it's obvious to me that the msfn-layout is the same desaster for you as for me, due to old OS+browsers. And those iframe-links are the worst failure, not displaying anything at all, only empty white space - for you too? If so, this is the link: https://msfn.org/board/topic/174987-retrozilla-an-updated-version-of-mozilla-for-windows-95-and-nt4-21-released/?page=15&tab=comments#comment-1150700 (I had to dabble with inventing userscripts to get access in old KM1.6) PS: bbcode tags work here too. For quoting it's possible to manually add [_quote] around some text [_/quote] (without underscore) And in general it helps a LOT to kill the page style, that makes lots of inaccessible forum links appear again (in FF: View>PageStyle>No Style). And do you have Opera12.02 too?

K-Meleon writes the profiles into appdata itself, if you just delete or rename "profile.ini" in the root folder. The existence of that file (or not) tells KM where to look for the user profiles.

Cannot tell anything about youtube text, but if you want that micross font, this is what I just took from my 98SE files. The file is dating from 2006, font version 5.0 http://s000.tinyupload.com/?file_id=18277447285122980066 As for the kernelex drivers, not sure how to go about testing, but glad diamant is volunteering, will wait for his result :) Regarding KM74-Goanna, someone figured out a few weeks ago that the SQLITE-version in it was wrong, didn't match. No wonder bookmarks and history etc. are completely broken, everything which is stored in sqlite files.

Never saw a KM74-version "for windows9x", only KM74-goanna "for win2000" It should run well there. Didn't hear about black screens, but perhaps a compat-setting? Or hardware acceleration? pref layers.acceleration.disabled (try true), or layers.offmainthreadcomposition.enabled (try false)? No idea, just guessing ;-) On Win98SE KM74-goanna also "starts" yes, but only unofficial, and only with advanced KernelEx-version and compat-setting for Win2000. And yes, on win98 I also have the same bookmark- and history bugs as Firefox9, as described on this KernelEx wiki page: http://kernelex.sourceforge.net/wiki/Mozilla_Firefox Haven't tried the addons yet, but planning to. Must at least download them before all traditional Firefox addons get deleted around Oct.5 Access to https-sites work well for me, after having copied over 3 *.db files from another (older) geckobrowser profile. And then deleted as usual the StartupCache folder and restarted. This https-security bug makes that "key3.db" cannot be created. My impression is that prob isn't caused by the browser itself, but by KernelEx17, because my other (older) browsers started having that prob too, but only since that KernelEx update. Webpage access and display I find quite good, but the browser itself very buggy yet on Win98, crashing every few minutes :( It gets a bit better after switching on the menubar, and switching to the Klassic skin, but still crashing far too often. Usually when just moving the mouse, and the error reports mostly something with "MSVC...dll" And it has another weird and annoying bug: for each and every link that is contained on a page, it waits a bit, and those meditation-breaks are cumulative. My local homepage contains about 100 links, and all other browsers load it in 1sec, but KM74-goanna needs forever - loading time grows parallel to the number of links. All prefetch-and preload-settings I could find are long since switched off. And even if the whole browser is set offline, it doesn't make any difference. @cov3rt If you have Win2000 with kernelex wrappers, did you also try roytams KM77/KM76-goanna? Someone said it works for him on such a system. May be a bit heavy though, don't know. This is currently the most advanced K-Meleon version for any system, if I got it right with the similar or same engine as in NewMoon27 Otherwise, in Win98, one of the best browsers until recently was Opera12.02. Runs very stable, needs only basic KernelEx, and compat set to Win2000 too. In its time it must have been one of the most advanced engines, because it contains quite a few html5 features, and even today it can still solve reCaptcha monsters! It also could load many more sites as other old browsers which long since produced only "cypher errors", but meanwhile Opera is failing too, the TLS1.2 probs are growing, sigh... As for "weird characters" showing up in pages, do you have an example page? Suspecting those hundred prefs with "charset". Heard that today UTF-8 is mostly used, older european pages also like ISO-8859-15

Incredible how hard they are making it now already! :-( Manually adding "/versions/" still works - at the moment: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/google-default-1/versions/

Frankly I'm not familiar with the Retrozilla versions either, just have installed those two: RZ2.0, which is 'only' a browser and has the blue Firefox Icon, and RZ2.2 by roytam1, which is a Seamonkey 'Suite' incl. Mail/Chat/etc As I understand it, RZ is built specifically for Win95, so in theory it should run without issues in 98. Just checked my KernelEx settings: the 2.0 version is on "default" (disabled), but the 2.2 "Suite" version is explicitely set to "Disable KernelEx extensions". Ah now I remember... have posted about it just recently above in this thread... without looking it up not quite sure anymore now, but guess this "security" prob was FIXED by setting Kex to fully "disabled"! Before installing RZ2.2 I didn't have any security-error probs with my older RZ2.0, even on KernelEx17. Quite the opposite, it worked best at creating new profiles, while most other browsers started failing after that Kex update. But have struggled with too many browsers and settings and Kex versions lately, am really not sure about all details anymore. But have it all posted above somewhere. My main focus and prob was always to get KM-Goanna74 (Win2000 build) running better, this one also has the biggest probs of all. And I think K-Meleon1.5.4 recently miraculously healed and could create new profiles again too, incl. security... perhaps it was after deleting all the cached stuff incl. xul.mfl, but would have to read it up again myself.

This kind of prob I could always fix by copying over the 3 *.db files from a working profile of another Mozilla browser, for example an old one. But my impression is strongly that THIS error is KernelEx related. Do you have the same KernelEx versions on both machines, or none? And which Retrozilla version, Firefox or Seamonkey?

YES!! Just tried, and even on Windows98: Opera12.02 still gets in! That browser is dating from 2012. Very pleasantly surprised now :-D Used this testpage: https://patrickhlauke.github.io/recaptcha On win98 KernelEx is needed, but the compat-setting is Win2000, so it should work on original Win2000 too. You probably can run an even newer Opera version. What was the last version of 12.x, updated not long ag... 12.18? Of course, it took some struggling too, clearing all private data, playing with the settings etc. Then during the second gameround of pictures, there suddenly was an error: "cannot contact reCaptcha. Check your connection." Restarted Opera and tried again. This time the error showed up even earlier. But after playing around some more with settings, clearing all data yet again, restarting the browser yadda yadda and restarting the web connection to get another IP-number, at last it worked again. Then after 4-5 more picture-rounds it finally reported success! The UserAgent which I still had set from earlier sessions and didn't need to change: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:40.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0 (now wondering about that mix of 40 and 52, the same number would probably make more sense) BUT the prob is unfortunately, this was only a test page. And today this version 12.02 can't access all websites anymore, due to stricter TLS-requirements. On Win2000 you're probably lucky and can use the last update of Opera12.x, would expect this to have newer certs. @roytam1 Please keep trying, hope it's possible. An alternative browser is really needed. Looks like at the moment ancient Opera12.02 is the only chance, but it already started failing on some websites too.