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  1. siria
    discussion and interesting links in the palemoon forum, about deletion of classic addons: https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?t=20096
  2. siria
    Yeah, that's exactly the vicious circle! And Sourceforge (which hosts K-Meleon) is also not accessible anymore with old browsers on old systems. Opera12.12 or FF9 are usually the rescue. But learned about those far too late. Have checked again in KM74goanna: github shows fine, although the GUI-sheet still ends with "TLS" of course. When looking in aboutconfig, there are also no special TLS-cyphers. Yet github shows up. No idea where those tls1.2 cyphers are hiding.
  3. siria
    @Yushatak Oops, sorry! Just notice github doesn't work for me either now :( But only in RZ2.0 (FF2). In Opera12.12 shows up fine :) Probably in FF9 too, but don't get it to run at the moment. Probably after OS restart again. Am afraid the css in FF2 is just far too old. A version of FF3.6 would be already far in advance. KM74-Goanna shows github fine too - of course. But that just reminded me now of the third severe bug: whenever opening a page with lots of links, even if it's just a local file (my browser home page) and even if the browser is set offline, it takes forever to load! Don't know what it waits for, but that sleeping time is proportional to the number of links. That means it must be cumulative: consider the first link, then sleep a bit, consider the next link, sleep a bit, now the third link.... just for showing the link page, not opening ANY links! Have already tried to disable all prefs which could be prefetch or preload-related, but nothing helped yet. Regarding cypher info, in Firefox: right-click in page, and find view page info. Or doubleclick the little lock icon if it exists. Then on "security" and the "view" button, it shows details about the certs.
  4. siria
    If you mean you looked in the GUI, that means nothing. Roytam doesn't do GUI. Only engines ;-) Open about:config and filter for TLS security.tls.version.max = 3 = TLS1.2 If you have that already and still doesn't work, would try deleting the cache stuff in the profile folder, and those 4 files: compreg.dat, xpti.dat, XUL.mfl, XPC.mfl They will be rebuild at next start, that's why that start will take a lot longer. But only once. Perhaps it's really a missing cypher suite, no idea then.
  5. siria
    It does support TLS 1.2 as far as I know? That's one of it's main features. A browser for old systems which can't access modern websites due to that TLS1.2 disaster anymore. But so far KM74-goanna is only alpha/beta state. And officially it's meant for win2000, not win9X. Luckily it also runs on Win98 with KernelEx, but so far extremely buggy. Basic KernelEx is not enough, a newer Kex version is needed, which is very problematic. KM74-Goanna runs, but due to this newer Kex, it can't seem to create own key3.db files, which causes those error-popups. My feeling is the culprit is rather this Kex version as KM, since it also creates massive bugs for other apps, also native win98 apps, which were running perfectly fine before that update. A hack for KM74-goanna is to copy over all 3 *.db files from some other profile. But that's not the only killer prob on Win9x, it's also still crashing every few minutes, especially while moving the mouse. Error messages then mostly mention some MSVC... dll as culprit. If you're looking for browsers running best on Windows98 today, if the basic KernelEx is allowed, there are Opera12.12, Firefox9, and roytams Retrozilla versions (forks of Firefox2 and old Seamonkey). His builds have the best TLS1.2, but very old CSS and scripts. Opera and FF9 are quite good overall, access+display, but can't seem to access quite as many sites as roytams builds. But still a LOT more as for example FF3.6. Opera could even solve reCaptchas when I last tried, but that was 1-2 years ago already. Retrozilla is said to run on native Win95, and has TLS1.2 Opera12.12 is a lot better displaywise, and can access almost as many. I thought it was running fine with old, basic KernelEx disabled on it, but now have it set to Win2000 compat mode. Firefox since 3.x and K-Meleon1.6 needed basic KernelEx too, with XP-compat, but today LOTS of sites are not accessible anymore, cypher errors all over the place :( And yes, the very best would be this KM74-Goanna! For accessing sites and for displaying them correctly. If only it wouldn't crash all the time :-(
  6. siria
    Actually the original link is here at MSFN, the topic by roytam1: https://msfn.org/board/topic/177485-backporting-newer-browsers-to-win9x-with-kernelex/ and a bit more postings here https://msfn.org/board/topic/133014-last-versions-of-software-for-windows-2000/?page=11&tab=comments#comment-1152197 and I think more postings hidden inside 1-2 other threads too... very hard to keep track. Of course, also an own topic in the K-Meleon forum: http://kmeleonbrowser.org/forum/read.php?19,146040 Attention, the KM-versions are even easer to confuse as the various PaleMoon/NewMoon/Whatever versions. Unlike PaleMoon/NewMoon, those KM-forks have no different base names, all are called "K-Meleon", the newer goanna-forks just currently "K-Meleon-Goanna" yet (short KM-Goanna), to avoid confusions. And unlike NewMoon, the 2 KM-Goannas don't just have some engine tweaks inside, but their engines are a lot more advanced as in the geckos with the same KM-number! There are the original old "KM74" (alpha/../stable) and "KM76" (alpha/beta/RC1+2) versions by Dorian, with Gecko 24esr+38esr inside. Roytams new "KM74-Goanna" and "KM76-Goanna" have a *much* newer Palemoon-engine inside (from PM26+27). Perhaps also important, the KMG74-shell is not the old original, but a fork of another old user fork, 74+1 by Naruman. Which was heavily tweaked already with extensions deeply embedded, which make global useragent overrides almost impossible. It's complicated, but using the same KM-version numbers for KM and KM-Goanna is really misleading. In reality the most modern KM76-goanna is "K-Meleon77 beta" or perhaps already RC, since modern pure gecko has become unusable for KM, and the PM27 engine is a big step forward from KM76. Rather than some sideways fork, it's considered by the KM-community as the future (almost) official KM77 version, and rather stable already. The "goanna" suffix is only needed when double-using old gecko numbers 74 or 76. The little versioning prob with KM74-goanna is that alternative numbers are hard to come up with, since the next number 75 isn't free anymore, was long since taken for another old gecko build.
  7. siria
    If you're really sure that PM27 works, regardless on which system, it would be interesting to know your default user agent? Then try if perhaps it helps in the non-working browsers in this global pref: general.useragent.override =... (and override for google.com the same or empty) Guess a little collection of *working* UA strings could be helpful, along with the used browsers and systems...
  8. siria
    reCaptcha: anyone understands russian? MachineTranslation sounds as if Opera12.18 works?? But was 'already' a week ago, and google changes their codes almost daily: http://forum.geckoworld.ru/index.php/topic,241916.0.html This topic is newer, checking all sorts of browsers, but auto-translation too garbled to understand: http://forum.geckoworld.ru/index.php/topic,241921.0.html
  9. siria
    reCaptcha: Can't test myself, just spreading what others said, but 2 users with Goanna browsers lately reported that changing the IP 'fixed' it (by restarting router and browser and clearing cache etc.) Here and one in KM-Forum: https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?t=19810 And it's known that reCaptcha insists to have ALL cookies and scripts allowed, not just for the same domain. It's also reported more and more often that Google-sites and services try to fool XP-users to get them to update their system. On some sites it helped to simply fake the XP part in the useragent (NT5.x =XP, NT6.0=Vista, NT6.1=Win7) Trap: stored site-exceptions may interfere (switch-pref is "general.useragent.site_specific_overrides"=true/false) Possible also try faking this dedicated system pref: "general.oscpu.override" = "Windows NT 6.1" (or younger) Edit: also kinda interesting: google-scripts now even combine the useragent sniffing (if non-Chrome browser and if XP-system) with pretended IP-spam probs: https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=19664
  10. siria
    Thanks. Let's hope it works, just wish I could be more confident. It's such an enourmous workload, and also have read somewhere that MTobin is involved. But at least the deletion date of all traditional FF-addons is now set a few weeks later, at October-5: https://msfn.org/board/topic/177521-reminder-firefox-52-esr-goes-eol-september-5-2018/?do=findComment&comment=1153562 Another prob, if someone can help: how to get this tiny cute mousegestures addon installed in Retrozilla? https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/microgesture/ Tried v1.0 and 1.4, but RZ complains that "signing could not be verified". First attempt was adding "xpinstall.signatures.required=false", but has no effect Then tried deleting the META-INF folder in the xpi, and in install.rdf removed the "-signed" in the version-em. Now RZ2-FF accepted it, but has zero function. As soon as I press the right mousebutton, the contextmenu pops up. And RZ2.2-SM still doesn't install it, instead reports "install script not found" Next attempt, added Target Seamonkey in install.rdf, but still same result. No install script. Also confused: how are addons managed in RZ2.2-SM? Find no menu, and "about:addons" is invalid?
  11. siria
    About bad layouts, userstyles can help a lot. Would be really lost without them, adding new snippets to adblock.css all the time, but so far that's on a FF3.5 sibling browser (KM1.6). Didn't try them on Retrozilla yet, because so far it's only a backup browser to visit broken https-sites (10-20%), so haven't done much tweaking there yet, but expect css-tweaks will help a lot in RZ too. Regarding plugins, if you mean addons, Firefox-addons for FF2 still work, am using 2-3 so far. There are still a few to be found on addons.mozilla.org. Am currently trying to grab together a little collection for personal use, in various versions for FF2, 3.5, 9, 24 etc., before they will not be accessible anymore. Like quickjava (JS-Toggle and others), user agent switcher (only global/ by Pederick), httpfox (traffic), Stylish (userstyles), and for slightly newer FF-versions "Block Content", PrefBar, Dom-Inspector, Greasemonkey etc. No time to test them yet, just trying to hunt down and store some important ones. And perhaps can use them later as examples to copy and tweak myself, as already tried with quickjava. The big problem: as far as I know Mozilla is going to DELETE all own addons in just a few days (Sep.5), unless they have changed the date again? Am not quite uptodate on the matter, anyone know more details? Or about any rescue attempts for the tens of thousands "Legacy Addons" for Firefox? Yet even if they get all saved, am afraid they probably only backup newer ones, hardly all versions way back to FF2.
  12. siria
    Speaking of BBCode, love that too! Some tags still do work! Actually it's my only chance with old OS+browser to show something as [.quote.] or in bold [.b.] or italic etc. Perhaps [.img.] works too, just testing with the smiley above ;-) Prob is, the quote-button itself shows nothing visible here, am merely doing copy/paste. Can't even get into the normal editor area, have tried with enabling JS, but this forum soft is so extremely bloated it very quickly freezes. Am glad that at least the input field at the topic bottom still works for very weak machines. If you like, you can probably see the 'pure' code too, when blocking JS and then editing a post? Would be interested to know an example of the 'src-code' for a working quote-title, as visible afterwards when edited. The old [.quote=userXY.] only shows a thin dark line here 😎
  13. siria
    Thank you! :) Fantastic video downloader site, just what I needed since years: all sorts of sites to download from, all sorts of available sizes, plus some convertions, and the best: no frills, no bloat, no traps, can keep all my shields up and it still works! example https://qdownloader.net/download?video=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DeYWRD6LbllY As long as such a simple site is available, not insisting on JS or even XHR, I very much prefer it to most plugins and addons which usually run tons of scripts, zero control for users.
  14. siria
    Not chrome or IE here, but androidfrog.com can't be using TLS1.2. That page looks quite normal in KM1.6 (=FF3.5), with max SSL3. My useragent is IE7 at the moment.
  15. siria
    Incredible... I would never have suspected a bookmark (!) could be the culprit for secret background traffic! Actually it connects to Mozilla and BBC feeds not only at startup, but every 5 minutes, even when I don't touch the computer in the meantime. And my bookmarks toolbar even isn't enabled, so the bookmark isn't even visible. But this 'fix' works great - Thanks! Just wish there were some normal setting available to disable RSS. It certainly should. Also slightly shocked, because such sneaky things which can't be disabled I might expect from a modern browser version, but definitely not yet from FF2 generation.
  16. siria
    ARGHH... wish I could say the same for my other browsers and sites, which get a hickup at https so easily and then rien ne va plus without a browser restart. In most cases it only affects images, if those are from another domain (like amazon or map tiles at m.osmtools.de). Even this forum here, just 1 interruption at an already loading page, intentionally or not, breaks the whole domain instantly. I do think (hope) it's at least partly settings related too, just which. Had done some more research recently and meant to post about, but didn't get around to. Result was, specifically for google maps there are quite some search hits that it can be fixed by deleting google cookies from a special domain of theirs, but helped only 'most' people not all. That's definitely different from my own probs, have no google cookies or G-maps anyway. But probably there can be several reasons. Now wonder if another sort of interruption could possibly have to do with such a header response: "strict-transport-security max-age=0" which I got at a broken site? Although I don't think my old browser versions have any clue yet what hsts is, and some future prefs that I've included manually, just in case, are all set to allow as much as possible for everything 'strict' And my UA is ancient too. Actually the httpfox-addon on retrozilla reports this on broken m.osmtools.de-maps, after just a few seconds of zooming+moving: NS_IMAGELIB_ERROR_FAILURE and NS_ERROR_NET_RESET (for tiles from openstreetmap.org)
  17. siria
    I have a note somewhere that the "click-to-play" setting has to do with it....
  18. siria
    Another invaluable addon: a behind-the-scenes traffic checker. Just tried httpfox (which of course will get deleted very soon too): https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/httpfox/ Surprise: so that's why the my system's network icon is blinking when opening Retrozilla (FF2) with an empty tab: it's secretly connecting to 4 RSS feeds, from Mozilla and BBC! (And as soon as Tools > Options is opened, then Feed-options, it loads a favicon directly from Google!) I never had any feedreader installed in this, and the only installed addon during this test was httpfox itself. Anyone can tell me how to stop this feed-checking at startup completely?? Or perhaps disable completely everything RSS/Feed related?
  19. siria
    Anyone else looking for a quick javascript-toggle button for Retrozilla2.x? Look here :-) https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/quickjava/ Finally found this one - and it's 100% perfect! All tiny and simple :-) Better get it while it's there yet, Mozilla has announced to delete all XUL-addons this month, guess tens of thousands. Would even grab this one for newer versions too, looks really nifty. Searching for this simple JS-Toggle was quite some hassle. Although there's a bunch of addons for this task, but all others were too young, not available for FF2 yet. And frankly some of the others also look quite bloated. There are probably some more, just not easy to find when not knowing their names. The only pity is, modern versions of this addon have a whole bunch more quicktoggle buttons with very easy configuration, but back in early FF2-times existed only 2 buttons: javascript + java. Am a huge fan of K-Meleons Toolbar with toggles for javascript, images, cookies, stylesheets, iframes, adblock etc., some of those added myself. So one of my biggest pains with non-KM browsers is to find at least for the most basic toggles some addon. But QuickJava looks so easy, and it's only a bit pref toggling after all, some day may try dabbling with the code myself, to try to add more buttons. When getting around...
  20. siria
    For version identification the "about:" page can help, although not 100% reliable either. Also opens by menu "Help > About..." I wasn't aware at all that "retrozilla" is not just "retrozilla", and there are not just different age versions, but there are even completely different packages with that same name! Very confusing if that's not made clearer... "about:" My previous RZ 2.0 (solo browser) actually shows an image with a little girl and "Firefox version 2.0.0.2" and Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows 98; en-US; rv:1.8.1.24) Gecko/0000000000 RetroZilla/2.0.0.2 This newer RZ 2.2 (seamonkey suite) shows a red-star logo and "RetroZilla 2.2" and Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows 98; en-US; rv:1.8.1.24) Gecko/20180708 RetroZilla/2.2 SeaMonkey/1.1.19 Firefox/2.0.20
  21. siria
    Google Maps, OSM, others: A search for this brings some interesting hints, but way over my head: browser bug maps interrupted tiles https://productforums.google.com/d/topic/chrome/y3YsafZoRWs https://github.com/Leaflet/Leaflet/issues/3198 https://github.com/Leaflet/Leaflet/issues/2612 Block cookies? Delete google's "gsScrollPos" cookies? L_DISABLE_3D = true? Tampermonkey? Perhaps it helps others for google maps, but there seem to be several symptoms and reasons. My own prob with an old browser must still be either settings or server related, because am using it since years and it worked fine in the past. Mainly on "m.osmtools.de", which still looks exactly the same as 2 years ago too, just now breaking after just zooming some seconds. Only the osm-tile-servers had some configuration updates, something with 'api'... At any rate the behaviour described in the Leaflet bug above matches exactly my impression too: the loading must not be interrupted too much when zooming/moving too fast, or Bang. And sure, my connection is rather slow. Not wanting to go too far offtopic, but if it really depends on settings too, those are probably the same across other Mozilla browsers too. (And I must not even interrupt loading a normal MSFN page, or the domain is "interrupted" until end of session too)
  22. siria
    And I created a complete new profile. It's also necessary to delete the 2 dat files in the components folder. Those are often the culprit for bugs after something important in the browser was changed (new addons, or in this case another compat setting) Those files still 'remember' the previous configuration.
  23. siria
    Distorted audio on twitter: Probably just the XP again in the useragent? (NT 5.x) There have been reports for youtube and facebook already, that they send buggy stuff to XP-users.
  24. siria
    At first the installation of RetroZilla2.2 was quite a hassle and struggle. Various probs: that infamous security component error popped up, indicating that key3.db can't be created, and RZ kept freezing at startup already, several times. Almost thought it wouldn't run at all. Finally learned 2 things: 1) On win98 with KernelEx-17 the compat mode must be set to "disabled", not to "windows 98"! (In the old Basic KernelEx it was the other way around, there "disabled" was buggy and "98" better) => that fixed the security components bug, now key3.db gets created and works fine, as in previous version :-) Not immediately, but when first opening a https site. side-effect: Despite KernelEx17, but now Kex-Mode "disabled", the native 98 app K-Meleon154 can create new profiles with key3.db again too! Then tried yet another old tool that Kex17 has broken, but that one still doesn't work. Just no way to disable Kex really completely. 2) Retro2.2 is not really frozen when creating the first profile - it just needs forever, about a minute! Because it automatically imports all 5000 IE-Favorites and writes them into bookmarks.html... And of course the 2 dat files in the components folder must be deleted when something seems buggy. More surprises: Out-of-box it could not load the K-Meleon forum, got that stupid old forum-bug with error403. Either Phorum-SW or sourceforge don't like the default useragent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows 98; en-US; rv:1.8.1.24) Gecko/20180708 RetroZilla/2.2 SeaMonkey/1.1.19 Firefox/2.0.20 That bug simply blocks all useragents containing "Win98" or "Windows 98", incredible. Couldn't find a useragent switcher in the menu (?), so changed it manually on about:config "general.useragent.override" (STRING) "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 5.1)"
  25. siria
    Finally got around to update! retrozilla 2.2 from this link on the previous page: http://o.rthost.cf/gpc/files1.rt/rz-suite-v2.2-bin-20180708.7z Don't see it in above version yet. Is there already an even newer version? Where? But 2.2 really surprised me mighty now! Had thought it's just some minor internal update and now notice: It's not even a fork of Firefox, but a full Seamonkey suite, complete with Mail and Chatzilla and Composer and all! Looks like my previous one (Retro 2.0) was much older than assumed. And had thought it were a clone of Firefox. Also finally discovered, slightly belated, that extremely useful page info tool etc. And the config sheets are very nice and handy too. Also like that RetroZilla now has its own orange icon, the previous blue botch was quite ugly. Another surprise, the menus have a link to Retrozilla's own extensions page? Tried it, but loads nothing, page empty... And the themes link to Mozilla does nothing anymore either, guess they deleted them long since :( Also noticed suprised, that the profiles are elsewhere now, and they get that ancient ".slt" structure again. OLD / NEW path: c:/windows/anwdat/Mozilla/Firefox/Profiles/xxxx.default/(profile content) c:/windows/anwdat/RetroZilla/Profiles/default/xxxxx.slt/(profile content)
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