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This is actually true, so I'm gonna try to change the trend a bit here with what we know. Essentially, there are threats out there and they can definitely affect XP. Unfortunately, Windows XP doesn't receive updates any longer and the threats out there can either come from a third party program installed or from a known vulnerability. Let's start with the latter. One of the most common examples is with SMB shares. Unfortunately, Windows XP is limited to SMBv1, as we all know, and given that this is still supported by modern version of Windows (including Windows Server in companies) as a fallback, this is generally targeted by threat actors as a way to breach a system. As result, SMB has had lots of CVE in the past and luckily they've been patched, not for the "good heart of Microsoft towards XP users", but rather 'cause they were affecting Windows Server as well, which is why Microsoft is still pushing and pushing for administrators to disable them and I feel like one day they'll just stop allowing people to enable SMBv1 altogether and force the use of SMBv3. The second most common target is, of course, RDP. Now, the RDP implementation inside XP is quite old to say the least and not only it doesn't support features like the new codecs and high frame rate (like H.264 4:4:4 encoding) etc but it also has known open CVE that will never be patched by Microsoft. Those, of course, can (and will) be exploited by threat actors. Another security vulnerability comes from the very limited support by Windows XP in terms of encryption ciphers. As we all know, XP does support kerberos and XP Professional workstations can be added to a domain and talk to a domain controller. During the handshake XP will expose the list of the ciphers it supports and the server will "agree" on one, but the problem here is that XP only supports DES CBC and RC4 HMAC, both of which are not only outdated but have very well known security vulnerabilities. In other words, it doesn't support AES and by forcing DES or RC4 the communication with the ticket granting server and the domain controller along with the other machines connected to the network isn't really safe and threat actors can exploit those to pretend to be the user in the domain. Last but not least, there are known vulnerabilities coming from the use of old programs and one of the main focus is on browsers. As you guys are probably aware, pretty much everything is based on Chromium and therefore this is the most attacked browser. As result, there are lots of 0 day vulnerabilities and CVE open that are generally quickly patched by the community, however, given that XP doesn't receive official updates, we're left with the risk of using browsers with known security vulnerabilities. If we add this to the fact that older, backported, version of Chromium like M92 and M108 also run with the sandbox disabled (as it was never ported by anyone), this leads to the perfect recipe to a good disaster. This, of course, isn't limited to Chromium, but it also involves other programs, for instance, there are known vulnerabilities for Adobe Acrobat Reader XI, there are known vulnerabilities for the last version of Java running on XP and so on and so forth. This leads us to the question: what can you do to mitigate this? To which, the answer is: be careful on what you do and keep an eye on the processes running. Personally, on top of that, I like to rely on two main things: 1) Avast 2) 0Patch The benefit of both have been vastly discussed on other topics, so I won't extend those any further, but just to recap very quickly, Avast is not just an antivirus but it plays the role of a firewall and a sandbox as well among other things, while 0patch can be used to address known vulnerabilities as a remedy for the lack of security updates. Last but not least, to the question "is the Windows XP user base actually 0?" the answer is: "it depends on how that statistic is counted/interpreted". I think that for the overwhelming majority of the people in this forum the answer would be: "Do you have XP installed and do you use it regularly?" -> Yes "Is XP your only system?" -> No

Here is a quotation from 0patch support page: Cheers, AstroSkipper

The disadvantage of MSE is that it depends on Windows updates to get the definitions. There are certain computers that can't get updated. Like those HP stream laptops with 32GB of space. I have tried Kaspersky and 360 Security. Both are light. But you get more ads with 360 Security. I forgot to say that I tried the new Zone Alarm in one of the computers in the office and it was very light but as soon as I installed it I had problems with network printers. They wouldn't work. Tried playing with the settings but there's not much to configure in the new Zone Alarm so I gave up on it. But if you don't have network printers it's alright. It's very light as well.

(offtopic) Then redirect to `old.reddit.com` with e.g. this user script: https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/40897-old-reddit-please. Needs Greasemonkey for Pale Moon (not maintained any more, but still works).

@win32, as I don't have a github acc., answering the question "Why does Geforce Now claim this Browser is unsupported?" here. Try to completely disable ClientHints, not to spoof them, as I was able to use Geforce Now on an old Chrome 106, spoofed as 111 via my app. I got no unsupported warnings.

Update notification! GetEmAll! has been updated and is now in the version 1.2.4 available. I mention it because the automatic update function in New Moon 28 won't offer it. For this browser, the extension has to be downloaded manually, and its compatibility has to be adjusted in the file install.rdf manually, too, such as shown here: Original: </Description> </em:localized> <em:targetApplication name="Pale Moon"> <Description em:id="{8de7fcbb-c55c-4fbe-bfc5-fc555c87dbc4}" em:minVersion="29.0" em:maxVersion="32.*"/> </em:targetApplication> Modified: </Description> </em:localized> <em:targetApplication name="Pale Moon"> <Description em:id="{8de7fcbb-c55c-4fbe-bfc5-fc555c87dbc4}" em:minVersion="28.0" em:maxVersion="32.*"/> </em:targetApplication> Here is the link: https://addons.palemoon.org/addon/getemall/ Cheers, AstroSkipper

I used Norton Systemworks 2004 which included Norton Utilities and Norton Antivirus and was installed by me under Windows ME and XP. This antivirus version was unfortunately not very effective in preventing popups and malicious code injected by dubious websites I surfed at that times, especially if using the Internet Explorer.

Look at your "likes" and "upvotes" of the quoted post! I think the number of real Windows XP users converges towards zero, unfortunately. But one thing I can definitely say, I am a genuine Windows XP user.

that's what I call GOOD NEWSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS !!!! thanks for sharing this, I just checked on MS site (Lifecycle FAQ - Extended Security Updates) and yesss this is amazing long life to the best Microsoft OS since Windows XP, aka 8.0 | NT 6.2 | Server 2012 (R1) https://pureinfotech.com/windows-8-to-dramatically-reduce-memory-usage/

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/animation Opening this page in official Pale Moon, not scrolling anywhere, 33% GPU usage. Firefox is at 3%. Will need new gaming PC to run Pale Moon before I'll need it for next-gen triple-A game title.

There is no free version of ESET, and the original poster is already a Kaspersky user looking for a free alternative. However this discussion has clearly left the OP’s question behind, and the products you mention are good choices.

No problem! What can I say more than this?

I was using Eset 5 with firewall. With a hack I was able to update definitions after XP support ended. It was updating until april 2022. I will try Kaspersky free with Outpost firewall soon because I don't like Avast. Avast makes computers slow and it can cripple the computer when you remove it.

Agreed. But... um... I'm not going to pay for something that I know up front is just an "experiment".

Good things sometimes cost something. Only death is free. And to be honest, not even that one.

Very good choice! Windows 10 Firewall Control Plus XP has been my favourite firewall for many, many years. In the Plus version, you have much more options for configuration and the ability to also control Microsoft system services/programmes. I guess I didn't promise too much. Didn't I? Did you test it more deeply?

It is not like jaclaz has any agreement in his contract with MSFN (nor with any other third parties) to provide comments on each and every post. Unlike you, he didn't mention downvotes, I only tried to tell you how they don't exist and that you were not caring about something that does not exist. I also provided (free of charge) the results of consulting my crystal ball, and - if accurate - that will be good news for you, at least two upvotes on that post. That's it. jaclaz

August 6, Vistapocalypse wrote: "(which is a Russian company in case someone still doesn’t know that)?" I'm not seeing jaclaz's remarks under the post. In any case, this is of course very pleasant you only notice what I write. Though I'm not surprised, I've been told many times before, I'm an interesting man.

There's a reason they put "Made in Italy" on Ferrari, or on the marvellous Italian olive oil, or "Made in Germany" on the German BMW. Browser is also a product. So I'm not sure what you wanted to say with your remark.

My Magic Eight Ball says three.

jaclaz, people don't like warez and don't support, don't respect their distributors at MSFN, so I wouldn't be surprised, if it will get likes! I even think it will be more. I was under the impression - MSFN has no-warez policy, no?

You won't get any downvote for this post, simply because there is no way on MSFN to downvote. My crystal ball, which is unfortunately needing some tuning, tells me however that your post will soon get two upvotes or likes (probably by Saxxon and Dixel). jaclaz

While a month old Supermium is already at version 117! Which is current, and works even on Vista!

And your title is wrong, even the author doesn't claim his browser to be anywhere near Ungoogled! Besides, his windows 7 version is the ancient 109 from the last year, the russian didn't port anything newer! Which doesn't surprise me at all. He still "patches" the obsolete version. LOL.

I forgot to tell, the "Thorium" author hosts warez at his website, which doesn't surprise me at all.

I'm sorry, the information given is very confusing. I don't care how many downvotes I'll get by saying - this browser is made by a Russian, But it's my right, as a customer, to know where a product is being manufactured. It's also demanded by the law in my country, all goods must be labelled. All attempts to make a political show out of it will be promptly reported, and I'll not engage is such conversations.

Try the PLus edition, not expiration date only a nag that go away when press refresh (green button), and so you can set advanced configuration. Plus seconfig XP and WWDC (softpedia.com) your patch to hardening go with the wind. netbios over cpip must be reenable in devmgmt.msc after seconfig XP

A few notes. Strictly speaking, there is no real need of GPT style disk for UEFI booting, though the good MS guys did introduce a few arbitrary limitations like preventing you from installing on a MBR disk (and it is entirely possible that they added a definite limitation to Windows 11) , but UEFI in itself is compatible with MBR style disks, in this cases it will consider as ESP partition the active (FAT32) partition on the disk, example of what can be done: http://reboot.pro/index.php?showtopic=22482 The requirement for processor matching is instead in the UEFI specs, so you can only install/boot a 64 bit system on a 64 bit processor machine (or a 32 bit on an extremely rare 32 bit processor). There is no "alternative" bootloader (AFAIK) to the bootmgr.efi, so it (and a valid BCD) are always needed, there are various bootmanagers/bootloaders/shims that can be booted "before" the bootmgr, but the final steps all go through bootmgr and the (valid) BCD that call the winload.efi that then proceeds to boot the OS. Specifically for Vista, its support for EFI/UEFI is reportedly since Vista Beta 2 Build 5384, but even in 7 EFI/UEFI support is far from ideal, and you need additional tricks to boot on newer UEFI systems, like using UEFISeven: https://vinaypundith.github.io/windows_7_efi_guide/ https://msfn.org/board/topic/183033-list-guide-list-of-hardware-that-supports-windows-vista-uefi-boot-and-how-to-boot-vista-with-uefi/ In other words, YMMGV. jaclaz

Be careful.. We're not supposed to mention that tool. But it's good to know it's working. I'm a tad spoiled over at Windows 8 Land. Here I just download and install. I have apparently two more updates coming my way. I'm not sure if what is considered to be "unspoken" will work in my case beyond that, however, I was going to stop updating Windows after October's final patch. I'll just keep updating Firefox ESR 115, and manually updating Windows Defender as long as possible. After that, I'll retire Windows 8 at the close of 2024.

My apologies for bumping this topic, but it has come to my attention that India has banned TikTok along with many other Chinese apps, ostensibly to protect the personal data of its citizens - although the policy evidently began after a deadly border clash with Chinese forces in June 2020: https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-53225720 That link is only one among many and I have certainly not read them all, but India’s list of banned Chinese apps has subsequently grown from dozens to hundreds. I certainly do not wish to start an argument, but this does raise difficult questions about proper forum conduct. As an MSFN member, should I show my solidarity with the “world’s largest democracy” (not to mention the fairly large democracy I was born in) by discouraging the use of TikTok, and perhaps even all Chinese software? Would this not contradict the free-speech position I have taken with respect to Kaspersky (which is a Russian company in case someone still doesn’t know that)? Might it be considered racist to even point out the Chinese origins of software? (If so, then I might be guilty - a rare occasion when my chief antagonist expressed approval for one of my posts.) Might it be considered racist to attach greater weight to software bans by Western governments than to software bans by the government of India? 🤔 The wisdom of avoiding all political topics here is becoming increasingly clear to me. Have a nice day.

Hogwarts Legacy, looked promising, but alas. Requires a 64-bit Windows 10 DirectX: Version 12

TBH, me neither. I am never really sure about things like that.

Horizon: Zero Dawn – Complete Edition v1.11.2 Genres: Action RPG, Open world, Third-person, 3D Companies: Guerrilla Games, PlayStation Mobile This game requires Windows 10 to run! https://www.gog.com/forum/horizon_zero_dawn_complete_edition/horizon_zero_dawn_win_7

I just wonder why they chose America, and didn't go to Russia? Russia's not only much-much closer, it's also (by the description from several members) such a pleasant, nice country, no racism, peaceful, very peaceful. Salaries are very high, beautiful women wearing only Western-made clothes/makeup and botox is only of the highest quality. Not a single russian car on their streets, in fact, not a single russia-made anything, and Kaspersly is free for every citizen.

To me (it seems) you're a very rare guest in NY. They will think you're a bum, if you have no decent car, and by decent I mean decent-decent. Why won't you just agree with D.Draker, at least this once, and live happily everafter.

@NotHereToPlayGames talks about the mental illness those poor persons have, if someone tied it to the politics just to make money, it's still on-topic. In fact, they absolutely don't care about them. Though, I agree with you, we need to respect the forum rules, and he shouldn't have mentiioned politians directly. On the other hand, if not such people, who don't obey the rules, you would have nothing to post about.

to install .NET 4.8 on Win8.0 and their .net 4.8 updates, look in this thread from another forum and here too (need to be a member there to view links) that is not the case as Mozilla recently decided to extend Win7/8.x support and the upcoming Firefox ESR 115 release WILL support those versions until late 2024. not necessarily true for 8.1 w/out the bypass tool it's not like with newer server 2012 rtm updates on win8.0; not quite the same as newer server 2012 r2 updates on win8.1 what has worked with win8.0 doesn't quite work the same with win8.1, Jody yup. fails with "we couldn't complete the updates undoing changes" error message part way. conducting my own tests with the Feb. 2023 & Mar. 2023 w8.1 embedded / server 2012 r2 updates, they fail to install on normal win8.1 editions including win8.1 core/home edition, thus agreeing with Jaguarek62's assessment. that's why that bypass tool is needed to fully install Feb. 2023 & newer updates for "client" Win8.1 edition OSes (bypass not needed for win8.1 embedded industry edition yet as that one gets support until July 2023) I know because I use a win8.1 core/home os on my father's old 2013 Toshiba satellite c55a laptop on a backup hard drive

What I can do this? My computer with Q6600 (OC) 8GB RAM and SSD is very fast with this OS. It's the best!

@mina7601! Is that slow and low-resource enough for you?

What about using Windows XP's native feature to hide inactive or unwanted icons? I described it in my documentation. Especially, because of @Dave-H!

A VM is running in a host system requiring real hardware in any case. Therefore, you must have a much more powerful computer than me, otherwise you couldn't run a VM, an OS in an OS. My Windows XP computer is more than 22 years old and can't run a VM. Too low system resources, too slow, and a 32 bit system only. BTW, in your profile, you stated Windows 11 as your main OS. Then, your computer is much more powerful than mine without knowing your exact hardware specs.

Dear TECHGEEK , please moderate this topic and cleanse it from pollution regarding Vista vs. 7/10 stuff , or create a new one , for those that in such painful lust to compare , thank you.

Yes , but in Vista they are gentle and nice , delicate .

Hey , c'mon , I thought I'm not a gamer ! xD

Oh , it's no secret . Some of them are : Hellgate:London ( I like all those wonderful demons), Diablo II and it's addon , Sacred 1 (frequent) and 2 (rarely , I deleted it , it didn't entertain me enough to ever get back). I like the first one more , the 1st is kinda more realistic and bloody, there are programs that can make it run in full HD. Actually , I'm not a die hard gamer . Also, I played Road Redemption DX11, but on x64 system , deleted too , I think it needs more tracks in free game mode. But it's kinda reminded me of SEGA's Road Rash which I played in 1991. And what about you ?

I don't know if I'm the only one , but Aero Snap , Aero shake , shadows under icons (yes , that thick (bold) ugly Win7 shadows , were the first things I disabled when I tested Win7 on my new laptop a decade ago (which ,sadly, came with it). Also , never pinned anything to my taskabar , I don't know why , perhaps it's just a habbit. Well , as it seems , I'm not the only one who wants this off , here's a guide (for true Vista lovers , which for some reason need Win7 for testing) how to disable it , you're welcome : https://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/3069-aero-snap-turn-off.html

No fight was intended , you started this marvellous topic about Vista , suddenly there are people that say other (newer WIndows) are somewhat ok too . And this is said among us (!) , Vista die-hard fans . How can it be ? This has been discussed a million times , go to Win7/8/9/10/11/12 forum and discuss it there , besides going off-topic is simply not polite.

Dear asdf2345 , I really appreciate your advice , but why would I wanna do that ? I see you are using Server 2008R2 , it's your choice and I respect it . But I use Windows Vista on all of my PCs. And this topic is about our pleasant experience with it. Please tell us about your experience with Vista.

This topic slowly turns into Vista vs. 7 nonsense ...

Well , I agree it makes sense for a laptop , but for a main PC ... why ? My Vista's boot time is 5-6 seconds on the gaming PC . What are the benefits in this case ? To make it 3-4 seconds ? Besides , 2.5tb isn't too much nowadays . I have my home video footage , clips from various trips and the such , which occupy more than 10TB. I think I'm a bit older than you , though ... so it had accumulated over the years. Also, I'm still not convinced in their ability to store information for a long time (without power) and their durability. I have 10 year old Raptors (under constant use) and they still going strong. P.S. I'm not using Win7/8/10 , and Vista doesn't do any annoynig constant writing to my HDDs.