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This is actually true, so I'm gonna try to change the trend a bit here with what we know. Essentially, there are threats out there and they can definitely affect XP. Unfortunately, Windows XP doesn't receive updates any longer and the threats out there can either come from a third party program installed or from a known vulnerability. Let's start with the latter. One of the most common examples is with SMB shares. Unfortunately, Windows XP is limited to SMBv1, as we all know, and given that this is still supported by modern version of Windows (including Windows Server in companies) as a fallback, this is generally targeted by threat actors as a way to breach a system. As result, SMB has had lots of CVE in the past and luckily they've been patched, not for the "good heart of Microsoft towards XP users", but rather 'cause they were affecting Windows Server as well, which is why Microsoft is still pushing and pushing for administrators to disable them and I feel like one day they'll just stop allowing people to enable SMBv1 altogether and force the use of SMBv3. The second most common target is, of course, RDP. Now, the RDP implementation inside XP is quite old to say the least and not only it doesn't support features like the new codecs and high frame rate (like H.264 4:4:4 encoding) etc but it also has known open CVE that will never be patched by Microsoft. Those, of course, can (and will) be exploited by threat actors. Another security vulnerability comes from the very limited support by Windows XP in terms of encryption ciphers. As we all know, XP does support kerberos and XP Professional workstations can be added to a domain and talk to a domain controller. During the handshake XP will expose the list of the ciphers it supports and the server will "agree" on one, but the problem here is that XP only supports DES CBC and RC4 HMAC, both of which are not only outdated but have very well known security vulnerabilities. In other words, it doesn't support AES and by forcing DES or RC4 the communication with the ticket granting server and the domain controller along with the other machines connected to the network isn't really safe and threat actors can exploit those to pretend to be the user in the domain. Last but not least, there are known vulnerabilities coming from the use of old programs and one of the main focus is on browsers. As you guys are probably aware, pretty much everything is based on Chromium and therefore this is the most attacked browser. As result, there are lots of 0 day vulnerabilities and CVE open that are generally quickly patched by the community, however, given that XP doesn't receive official updates, we're left with the risk of using browsers with known security vulnerabilities. If we add this to the fact that older, backported, version of Chromium like M92 and M108 also run with the sandbox disabled (as it was never ported by anyone), this leads to the perfect recipe to a good disaster. This, of course, isn't limited to Chromium, but it also involves other programs, for instance, there are known vulnerabilities for Adobe Acrobat Reader XI, there are known vulnerabilities for the last version of Java running on XP and so on and so forth. This leads us to the question: what can you do to mitigate this? To which, the answer is: be careful on what you do and keep an eye on the processes running. Personally, on top of that, I like to rely on two main things: 1) Avast 2) 0Patch The benefit of both have been vastly discussed on other topics, so I won't extend those any further, but just to recap very quickly, Avast is not just an antivirus but it plays the role of a firewall and a sandbox as well among other things, while 0patch can be used to address known vulnerabilities as a remedy for the lack of security updates. Last but not least, to the question "is the Windows XP user base actually 0?" the answer is: "it depends on how that statistic is counted/interpreted". I think that for the overwhelming majority of the people in this forum the answer would be: "Do you have XP installed and do you use it regularly?" -> Yes "Is XP your only system?" -> No

Here is a quotation from 0patch support page: Cheers, AstroSkipper

The disadvantage of MSE is that it depends on Windows updates to get the definitions. There are certain computers that can't get updated. Like those HP stream laptops with 32GB of space. I have tried Kaspersky and 360 Security. Both are light. But you get more ads with 360 Security. I forgot to say that I tried the new Zone Alarm in one of the computers in the office and it was very light but as soon as I installed it I had problems with network printers. They wouldn't work. Tried playing with the settings but there's not much to configure in the new Zone Alarm so I gave up on it. But if you don't have network printers it's alright. It's very light as well.

(offtopic) Then redirect to `old.reddit.com` with e.g. this user script: https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/40897-old-reddit-please. Needs Greasemonkey for Pale Moon (not maintained any more, but still works).

@win32, as I don't have a github acc., answering the question "Why does Geforce Now claim this Browser is unsupported?" here. Try to completely disable ClientHints, not to spoof them, as I was able to use Geforce Now on an old Chrome 106, spoofed as 111 via my app. I got no unsupported warnings.

Update notification! GetEmAll! has been updated and is now in the version 1.2.4 available. I mention it because the automatic update function in New Moon 28 won't offer it. For this browser, the extension has to be downloaded manually, and its compatibility has to be adjusted in the file install.rdf manually, too, such as shown here: Original: </Description> </em:localized> <em:targetApplication name="Pale Moon"> <Description em:id="{8de7fcbb-c55c-4fbe-bfc5-fc555c87dbc4}" em:minVersion="29.0" em:maxVersion="32.*"/> </em:targetApplication> Modified: </Description> </em:localized> <em:targetApplication name="Pale Moon"> <Description em:id="{8de7fcbb-c55c-4fbe-bfc5-fc555c87dbc4}" em:minVersion="28.0" em:maxVersion="32.*"/> </em:targetApplication> Here is the link: https://addons.palemoon.org/addon/getemall/ Cheers, AstroSkipper

I used Norton Systemworks 2004 which included Norton Utilities and Norton Antivirus and was installed by me under Windows ME and XP. This antivirus version was unfortunately not very effective in preventing popups and malicious code injected by dubious websites I surfed at that times, especially if using the Internet Explorer.

Look at your "likes" and "upvotes" of the quoted post! I think the number of real Windows XP users converges towards zero, unfortunately. But one thing I can definitely say, I am a genuine Windows XP user.

@AstroSkipper yep and as they said although the three 0 day vulnerabilities were then patched by Microsoft too, if a new 0 day vulnerability comes out they will try to patch it and I'm pretty damn sure that Microsoft won't release a patch this time around given that support ended in summer 2019. Besides, as they said, they also address vulnerabilities in other software which wouldn't necessarily be possible to update while retaining XP compatibility. This is an example of the patches that have been actively applied to my system as I opened some programs or did some other things that required them: As you can see, it kept me safe from known CVE in Java, WinRAR and RDP. There are other patches there which have never been applied, but still, it's nice to have and although I'm using the Pro version you can safely use the free version too which is a very valid alternative. Well, although a home user won't probably be exposed to some of them, we gotta keep in mind that Windows XP derived OS are still widespread everywhere mostly 'cause they were tied to hardware in embedded systems and also 'cause they were running software that would otherwise be incompatible with newer version of Windows. As result, it's not really uncommon for companies to still have Windows XP / Windows Embedded or Windows Server machines still up and running, either on bare metal or on VMs. In a business context those can be very valid points.

It's rather distorted perception of reality. Manufacturer and the country of origin of any product must be shown on the label. Period. It's the customer protection law. End of story. Even Vistapocalypse agrees, but you don't write your remarks under his posts. Though, I perfectly understand, jaclaz and you find my posts way more interesting, I'm an active windows user, a modder, and a nice, helpful, cheerful, sociable, like to go clubbing and making new friends, I don't have any thick/annoying accents, non-smoker, rarely drinking, sport and active lifestyle oriented man, a nice company, in general.

I expect Vista to be the worst performer in these cases: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/direct2d/comparing-direct2d-and-gdi

I don't understand what it has to do with the subject, please explain.

Please don't start, everyone understands it was a T9 typo, because I wrote by and buy one after another with the same meaning, in the same sentence. I'll not point my fingers at those who don't know the difference between steel and steal, who and whom and so on. As for your original question, it makes zero sense to use "thorium", you can still use the original Ungoogled for win7, since they are of the same old 109 version. With some hacks Ungoogled 110 or even 111 can be backported.

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/animation Opening this page in official Pale Moon, not scrolling anywhere, 33% GPU usage. Firefox is at 3%. Will need new gaming PC to run Pale Moon before I'll need it for next-gen triple-A game title.

I never used, never heard of them before, what am I "guilty" of? Let him do his own research. Thank you for the information! Though, it's not my favourite, I already wrote many warnings, because it's well known that Opera collects enormous amounts of data and belongs to China. It was just easier to backport it to Vista, in contrast to the usual ungoogled chrome. But Opera is also not relevant here.

They do, I provided a link to a reported way to do so (small FAT32 partition+main partition). There may well be this (or that) artificial limitation due to specific UEFI implementations, of course. And of course the good MS guys did whatever they could to prevent you from using MBR style disks with UEFI, so thinking that anything outside the MS (stupidly) recommended paths with MS tools only is unthinkable. To do anything out of the ordinary you need increasingly more complex procedures, third party tools and what not, and little by little they are forcing us to recognize that what they say is the only way. jaclaz

No problem! What can I say more than this?

There are some other issues, but it depend on which version of WinPE or Diskpart you use to prep the partitions. In general terms (I do not know it by version numbers) if you try to use Diskpart while the OS/PE is in GPT mode from a PE, it may not let you create an MBR disk like this, may create GPT by default and not let you change the type to MBR. Second, it is possible to boot (Win7 only tested) on a single partition on MBR disk on a UEFI system. Multiple partitions do not work. There is a requirement to prep an image to do this, as Setup won't work. You first install the OS onto an MBR system with 1 partition using answer file. Then capture that image. Then you can redeploy it to single partition on UEFI. But if you were to do a standard install on MBR (where it creates the initial partition), make an image and then try to deploy that to single partition, it will not boot. I was not able to determine any sort of BCD commands to make it work, so I ended up just keeping one of each type of image. Of course with all of this, there may have been revelations or workarounds that exist that I am unaware of. But that is single OS deployment. It was not possible to deploy say, Win7 with recovery partition on UEFI at all using MS-only methods. So multi-boot is out of the question. If I were to attempt it, I would first do a Vista SP1 install proper, then to Win 11 21H2 install and see if Win 11 automatically is going to make the bootmenu.

Agreed. But... um... I'm not going to pay for something that I know up front is just an "experiment".

eset, kaspersky.

@roytam1 I want to thank you (once again) for maintaining NM28 for WinXP. Ever since I found out about and started using NM27 and later NM28, whenever I wanted to buy something online, I had to resort to my Android phone, because my bank website (extra security and high-tech features, of course) didn't work... until recently! Last week I found out, obviously because of lots of fixes, updates and maybe even hacks, my bank website did finally work after all this time. Much appreciated! I've never messed with stuff like this, but my pc also gets nearly unresponsive for sites like reddit, or (from the top of my head) instagram and pinterest. So how do I go about this? Do I need an add-on for this?

Rather simple usage of the ball. Whatcha talkin' about? You asked about the version yourself. "114", ring any bells?

Sure, no warez on MSFN. But the referenced post has no mention of warez, it is only about the nationality of the Author and how in your country you have the right to have goods labeled with the country of manufacture/origin. jaclaz

I want to repeat again, go and look at the "thorium" version, it's still at 109, no it's not a typo. If you want 114, the oldest Supermium is 115, perhaps try it?

I meant @win32 already got 117 last month, so Supermium sticks to the current stream, while "thorium" is already almost a year behind. It will obviously not suit you.

While a month old Supermium is already at version 117! Which is current, and works even on Vista!

I forgot to tell, the "Thorium" author hosts warez at his website, which doesn't surprise me at all.

You don't have to install SP2. When the value of CSDVersion is default 256 DEC then install error: but after changing value of the CSDVersion to 512 DEC and restart instalation goes:

Just to give you all a laugh, I'm still using Norton Utilities 2002 on XP (and Windows 98), but that's a bit off-topic as that never actually included an anti-virus option. It all still works though! BTW I don't think that list on page 1 is a 'blacklist', it's just a list of abandoned programs, which there's no point in using anyway, and Kaspersky which has well documented security concerns about it so 'use at your own risk'.

you should work on JP version if you want to localise it to Chinese/Korean versions.

BTW which emoji you prefer? (vote "Like" for current, "Up Vote" for another) Current(Twemoji-v14.1.2): (the rendering issue of those redesigned emoji is reported here: https://github.com/jdecked/twemoji/commit/dbb2a105307932399402c5333001e82ba67af016#commitcomment-124376242 ) Another(msemoji flat version, based on Fluent Emoji): if you want to test each one yourself, you can download them here: http://o.rthost.win/boc-uxp/TwemojiMozilla-14.1.2.ttf http://o.rthost.win/boc-uxp/TwemojiMozilla-msemoji.ttf

Be careful.. We're not supposed to mention that tool. But it's good to know it's working. I'm a tad spoiled over at Windows 8 Land. Here I just download and install. I have apparently two more updates coming my way. I'm not sure if what is considered to be "unspoken" will work in my case beyond that, however, I was going to stop updating Windows after October's final patch. I'll just keep updating Firefox ESR 115, and manually updating Windows Defender as long as possible. After that, I'll retire Windows 8 at the close of 2024.

I do think so, too. The extension I already forked for my private use was abandoned by the author in 2015.

Remnant II: Ultimate Edition v382788 Steam/Epic Genres: Action, Shooter, Third-person, 3D Companies: Gunfire Games, Gearbox Publishing This game requires Windows 10/11

Perhaps you confused him with me, being born not far from each other in the seventies, I'm still not married, and not going to, I was on the verge of the most stupid decison I could ever make (marriage), in 1996-97, but somehow changed my mind and avoided it. Later it went completely off the trend. Imagine, I'd have an old wife and old children now! It's so cool to live dedicated to yourself.

I guess he just (maybe) doesn't know - one simply can't compare the states, where it's necessary to have a car, with W. Europe, where one can live without it. Municipal transport is non existent in the U.S., from what I know. Or is of low quality and has bums in it. On the other hand, I know nothing about his country, zero, except they were (are?) friends with russia and located in the East. I only recently (with the help of jaclaz) forced myself to remember it's not Hungary. Yes, no offence, when I was at school/academy, no such countries existed on the map. I have tendencies to erase info I use very rarely, so maybe I'll forget again.

@NotHereToPlayGames talks about the mental illness those poor persons have, if someone tied it to the politics just to make money, it's still on-topic. In fact, they absolutely don't care about them. Though, I agree with you, we need to respect the forum rules, and he shouldn't have mentiioned politians directly. On the other hand, if not such people, who don't obey the rules, you would have nothing to post about.

Agree with this part. This nightmare is also here. The lobby is very strong worldwide. "...who have doubts about their gender identity and may be considering sex change surgery". https://www.alliancevita.org/en/2021/12/gender-french-senate-adopts-controversial-bill-on-sex-change/ Huge, huge amounts of money in this industry.

@mina7601! And now your hardware specs, only if you want to tell me, of course!

My Windows XP computer is equipped with a Pentium 4 2.8 GHz Northwood single core CPU and only 1.5 GB SD-RAM. No SSD, no SATA but IDE harddisks. My graphic card is a NVIDIA 6200 AGP 4x one if you know what that means. The RAM can't be extended. Only three slots, and there are no 1 GB modules. The computer itself and especially the motherboard was manufactured in 2000. It's survived fires and other events before. I repair everything myself. I love my old machine! PS: And I can't send him into retirement. He has been with me for 22 years, and that would not be fair. The computer was originally delivered with Windows ME, and the partition still exists.

No problem! I like this native hiding feature! Glad to hear you like some of my smileys, too!

But, if you already use this feature, why does the Min2Tray icon bother you then? Hide it! You can access it by clicking the arrow at any time.

BTW, you need it to change the settings of Min2Tray, maintain the Minimized at startup list or the Bosskey list, and modify the short cuts. But you can hide it and access it using WindowsXP's native feature.

@mina7601! As my beta tester, what do you think about the implementation of Min2Tray in my program package? Do you like it? Does the additional systray icon bother you? Do you use or like the global feature to minimize most of all windows to the systray by right-clicking the close button?

A VM is running in a host system requiring real hardware in any case. Therefore, you must have a much more powerful computer than me, otherwise you couldn't run a VM, an OS in an OS. My Windows XP computer is more than 22 years old and can't run a VM. Too low system resources, too slow, and a 32 bit system only.

I do not have much of an understanding of .PAK files in general, but I do not beleive this to be an archive at all. Open it in your favorite text editor, and you will see a lot of the contents. It appears to be various HTML, CSS, and JS Code, from my very brief investigation. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I refuse to make another off-topic post in this thread, so I will put it here as an edit. @Dixel: I do not understand your obsession with labeling software and even people agents of the KGB, an agency which ceased to exist in 1991 with the fall of the USSR. Kaspersky, for example, is the only instance I know of with the creator having ties to the KGB. That being said, they offered to share their source code to prove it was not spyware for Russia. I do not see a reason they would do so if it was actually such a thing. I have not done any research to Yandex specifically, but I do not see any peculiar connections going on in my system from it. I think the idea of labelling all software and even all people from a specific region/country to be spyware/spies to be very prejudiced. I cannot speak for everyone in every country, but when I was in the middle and high school we did cover a lot about the Soviet Union, including content about the KGB. Let alone my own researching on these topics over the years. So It's not like I "just don't understand". "Did you see the reaction in the ex-kernel topic when I advised against Kaspersky ? Only a couple of people liked ..." And one of those "likes" was you. The existence of your alt account, D.Draker, is painfully obvious and clearly a source of reputation farming.

I think so , yes. People need to be polite and read the rules , as far as I can see , the one who started the topic is responsible to keep the right content.

I have had a very sad experience with HP laptop in 2007 . In fact , I hate HP - it's utter junk in my opinion ! For those who are lazy to read , I'll make this short: I had bought a quite expensive laptop it was approx 1500 Euro in 2007 , let me remind about the inflation , it's like 2500 or so nowadays. It was an expensive gift from me to myself for my jubilee. So one could guess how I started to hate Hewlett - Packard when it literally caught fire , right after 1 year warranty , almost at my next birthday. Yes , that's right , it was burning , it's videochip to be precise . Nvidia 8600GT 512mb with fast (by that standards) DDR2 128bit memory . HP cheaped out on the cooling system , as I was told by repairmen . It was so expensive to repair it , so I decided to buy Siemens instead (made in Germany) and it was very good , fast and durable , with Vista , of course . Edit : Forgot to mention specs . DDR2 4gb RAM Nvidia 8600GT 512mb Intel Mobile CPU (don't remember the exact model , I think Core Duo , but it was fast enough) Two separate HDDs (each 250GB)

Oh , it's no secret . Some of them are : Hellgate:London ( I like all those wonderful demons), Diablo II and it's addon , Sacred 1 (frequent) and 2 (rarely , I deleted it , it didn't entertain me enough to ever get back). I like the first one more , the 1st is kinda more realistic and bloody, there are programs that can make it run in full HD. Actually , I'm not a die hard gamer . Also, I played Road Redemption DX11, but on x64 system , deleted too , I think it needs more tracks in free game mode. But it's kinda reminded me of SEGA's Road Rash which I played in 1991. And what about you ?

This topic slowly turns into Vista vs. 7 nonsense ...