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I'm not. I originally started posting public rebuilds of Build 2250 but it was problematic on YouTube and therefore the public rebuild dropped to Build 2206. I am attempting a good "balance". But at the same time we need to be "realistic" also. And where the line is between the two is a bit fuzzy.

My uploads are not "as is". The Russian and Chinese telemetry is removed. I do have a few HOSTS file entries but the telemetry is supposed to be "broken" and should be at a very reasonable trustworthiness compared to the "original" (Chinese) and the "repack" (Russian).

Despite my ramblings regarding YouTube, I want a 360Chrome that we can get MORE than just a small handful of us MSFN-ers to use. But I also don't doubt that 360Chrome won't really gain in popularity until YouTube (and Facebook) crashes or outright no longer works on other browsers. 360Chrome will only gain in popularity when YouTube crashes Iron, MyPal, Pale Moon, New Moon, Basilisk, BNavigator, you-name-it, at a "higher crash-rate" then 360Chrome. I do think that day is coming... Maybe even sooner that most of us care to admit... Does YouTube already crash other browsers? Or are extensions required to "tame" YouTube in order to prevent those crashes?

@XPerceniol , thank you for the kind words ! There was an article (I think called "how to force internet suck less" or smth like that) , it had a ton of gurgle/yackoo IPs which are safe to block {they are useless for us} and will not interfere with casual browsing , but it got deleted ! These were the IPs for tracking , the same IPs that every chrome connects to at the start , including 360chrome , the same IPs that chromium browsers use for key logging.

Thanks @XPerceniol - the more users we can get the better!

Well.. I've never used 360 until today - I'm quite impressed @ArcticFoxie @Dixel and others I'm sure I'm neglecting to mention here that also contributed. I must say, I have avoided this browser as it seemed intimidating to me ... seeing as I'm a clueless blobfish when it comes to Chromium and worry about telemetry, but I trust you both have done a lot to remove what is humanly possible. Below is how I felt about trying this browser. Ya never know, that could actually be me =P Anyway, but on track! Loaded quickly (actually much faster and responsive compare to even PM/FF that I'm used to) and youtube was enjoyable. No issues at all or crashes, but I also don't do much. Sorry, I really would like to somehow help you guys with this, but I have zero knowledge regarding this. Just wanted to say, I'm excited that I gave this a shot and I think this is a much more realistic future than what are currently dealing with; as far as browser. I was putting it off but went with your last upload (unran). Great Job and keep up the good work :)

Good news as far as the Russian/Chinese connections. I seem to recall a Google (gstatic ?) at First Run but not on Every Run, so I didn't dig further as I assumed it was the way that ALL chrome versions do as far as bookmarked favicons. But as you mentioned, that is with ALL chrome versions and isn't specific to 360Chrome.

Good progress happening here! I will download the next update whenever it becomes available c

Please try the 2206 version and report what you see with it. The 2250 was abandoned almost as quickly as it was picked up. The 2206 version has (unran) in the title.

I use XP primarily as a VM on my Macs for specific uses where anything newer won't work, and to be able to use it on hardware it won't otherwise run on. I also have numerous real machines to run it on if I want a more authentic experience. That said, I'm not giving up on it any time soon! c

@ArcticFoxie Hi , first off : I want to make clear again , I'm not trying to devalue your work ! I'm not trying to say you inserted a nasty malware/key-logger, lol ! I think you just sometimes misunderstand me , it happens . I still hope we can work together on 360. Now to the subject , I'm glad you (and other users) finally realised that betas and older bersions are far more stable . I've just tried your 2250 version . Well , what can I say : it connects to this IP right away , every launch . No , I can't attach screenshots because it happens so quick , also I'm still limited by the forum. My hosts is much bigger than yours and contains all 360 entries I could find. The IP is from Switzerland ! Weird , right ? 142.251.1.94 Switzerland - Media Lite SA

I admit that it's a bit discouraging that there's only THREE (?) people even providing feedback at all to the two of us now uploading public rebuilds. But "it is what it is", as the saying goes - I'd be doing the rebuild for my own personal use anyway, the only thing that changed is that I documented each-and-every change. But the user-base does not warrant me adding that amount of time to my personal-use rebuild, so now I'm making the changes without the needless documentation. Those interested can still review the .xls for 2250 and the .xls for 2206 and still get a feel for WHICH files need modified. It all boils down to this -- until YouTube drops Polymer v1, 360Chrome will not gain a broader user-base. Again, that day is coming. But I can just as easily see MOST followers of the XP forum (there's really only a small handful of us!) just throwing their hands in the air and sighing, "It was fun while it lasted, I have to upgrade my OS now because I can't YouTube anymore." We already have one that has publicly announced his laptop is dead and he will no longer be using XP, more will follow. And we will have YouTube to blame.

There is no need for that: Chromium 57 does not support Vista either, but Yandex 17.4.1 is a Chromium 57 fork that supports both XP and Vista, i.e. a backport like 360. Anyway, I hope that ArcticFoxie will not be dismissive about any YouTube issues that might be reported here.

Oops ... sorry, double posting I shouldn't be posting when I'm this exhausted.

That's precisely why I'm trying to keep Etesia going. Does your Windows XP laptop have a removable battery? Etesia does, and I've had the same problem you have had (battery life has become nonexistent with age) ... I'm pretty sure there are replacement aftermarket batteries I can buy, but I'm hoping I might be able to mod a battery pack to use graphene cells or something. If only that technology would come to market faster. Haha, this is actually how I use Etesia these days when I'm on the go. She's always tethered to a wall outlet on road trips. XOTIC (the OEM that I bought her from) actually shipped her with a vehicle AC adapter that lets her charge on the go, using the cigarette lighter in my car. Wild stuff. It certainly seemed we were heading that way, and will probably be doing so again in the near future, but the pandemic certainly caused a rather dramatic reversal of trends. From what I had been hearing on the Tech YouTube channels, 2020 saw a massive increase in the sale of desktop PCs and computer parts, since many of us were under stay-at-home orders or otherwise working from home. (My current employer still has me doing this.) From what I'd been hearing, that took the chip and hardware manufacturers completely off guard as they were not expecting such a massive reversal of trends. But now, everyone needed a computer that could handle videoconferencing and/or the sort of work they would normally be doing at the office. Not to mention gaming. Oh yeah! That's the Ship of Theseus Paradox, right? I heard about a philosopher who came up with an interesting way to solve the paradox, if you think of objects four dimensionally. The idea being that an object's span of existence is like a river of time, and the individual things that make up that object could be thought of as smaller streams that join or branch off of the main "time stream."

I’m sure it works fine with YouTube’s Polymer v1, but if you changed your user agent in order to be served Polymer v2, I believe it would be most unsatisfactory. As I stated above, “Whenever Google deprecates Polymer v1” (which they obviously haven’t done yet), Chromium 49-based and Firefox 52-based browsers (including UXP browsers) will not be able to display YouTube’s homepage. I first learned about this in VistaLover’s February 26, 2020 post (near the bottom of it) and subsequent discussion in that now-dormant thread. I was sufficiently concerned that I actually tried Yandex 17.4.1 on Vista (reluctantly, since it is Russian), and confirmed that this Chromium 57 backport is served Polymer v2 by default. I assume that the same is true for 360 and other Chinese backports (except “Advanced Chrome,” which is known to not work so well with YouTube).

It works very well, vanilla, and with the flags and extensions below. I will keep it for my browsing in heavy scripted pages, which tend to hang firefox derived builds. As I said before, I kept the folder structure in ArticFoxie's experiments (chrome ---> application ---> chrome (where i place the contents of your chrome-bin), and am able to use the 360loader.exe, whose ini I modified to include the parameters suggested by Nihira (besides the ones ArticFoxie had already put in): --no-referrers --ssl-version-min=tls1.2 -cipher-suite-blacklist=0x002F,0x0035,0x000A,0x009C,0x009D I am still playing with 2206-2250. The only remaining issue (among the apps I use) is youtube, that crashes constantly. I will report back. I haven't tried discord in XP, and would like to see if it works. As per flash, the are many movie and games places that rely on it, unfortunately. The pp and np flash folders in 2206-2250 components provided by ArticFoxie do the trick. I would prefer ruffle, but it requires work, will report back. As per DRM... I do not see a way to solve the issue if it depends on widevine, but am open to try things. Cheers! Chrome://Flags Extension Content Verification - Enforce Strict [WebRTC remote-bound event logging - Disabled] [Enable AppContainer Lockdown - Enabled] Framebusting requires same-origin or a user gesture - Enabled EXTENSIONS Behind The Overlay Enhancer for YouTube™ Open With Sexy Undo Close Tab Social Fixer for Facebook Zoom Scheduler Allow Right-Click Clear history, Cache & Cookies for Chrome [Cookie Autodelete (2206-2250) OR Vanilla Cookie Manager (9.5)] Decentraleyes HTTPS Everywhere Scriptsafe Ublock Origin Umatrix

I don't think Flash support is necessary. Also the original 360EE files do not come with Flash (at least when I unzip the .exe file from the original website). I would like to work only with the files that come out of the browser. Extensions and plugins are secondary things.

Besides that, what amazes me is the apparent craze for something that by any standards sucks (and sucks big). I mean, I understand how the insiders (or whomever) are interested in the news, and want to try it as soon as possible (possibly to monetize or however use as a promotion the article/blog/video/whatever) but once one, two, three, tens of people have tested it and it clearly is (not so surprisingly) at the most a "meh" product, there is IMHO no need to hurry to get/install/test it.. I could understand if everyone that actually tested it described it as the third best thing in life (after bread and ice-cream), but come on, the (admittedly only few) reports I have seen seem to have divided the opinions between "it sucks" and "it sucks AND it is unfriendly to the user and hardware". Surely, when there will be something final, the usual endless number of tweaks, mods, hacks, etc. will appear, making it bearable (like it has happened for previous windows versions) but the point remains that the thingy "as delivered by the manufacturer" is reported almost everywhere as only a little more than a pig[1] with lipstick (and the lipstick is the wrong colour ) jaclaz [1] with all due respect to pigs, of course

Is that machine so d@mn fast that you really *need* to slow it down? jaclaz

I usually wind up having reinstall about every 6 months - we'll - I more like recover my PC form Acronis Image software backups. I like to sometimes tweak and super tweak to see what I can get away with without breaking it. Usually, I do 'break it' Lol :) Lately, I've been leaving it alone as I have other pressing issues to deal with. Yeah, I don't know about windows 10, likely not that easy to do.

MSFN is finally back on-line..! :)

FYI - I just generated a list of all updates (total = 21,348 links) related to 32-bit / 64-bit Windows XP by borrowing something from WSUS Offline Update: https://download.wsusoffline.net Basically I just needed to get several files: package.xml gsort.exe XSLT.vbs xp.xsl Download the latest version of http://download.windowsupdate.com/microsoftupdate/v6/wsusscan/wsusscn2.cab first, then run this to extract the file package.xml afterwards: expand.exe wsusscn2.cab -F:package.cab . expand.exe package.cab package.xml gsort.exe https://trac.wsusoffline.net/trac.fcgi/export/1126/tags/wsusoffline12.0/bin/gsort.exe XSLT.vbs https://trac.wsusoffline.net/trac.fcgi/export/1126/tags/wsusoffline12.0/cmd/XSLT.vbs Then I created my own file called xp.xsl and that's based on another file extract-update-cab-exe-ids-and-locations.xsl as follows: https://trac.wsusoffline.net/trac.fcgi/export/1126/tags/wsusoffline12.0/xslt/extract-update-cab-exe-ids-and-locations.xsl Simply save it as xp.xsl and here's another copy: https://pastebin.com/EB1101eN <xsl:stylesheet xmlns:xsl="http://www.w3.org/1999/XSL/Transform" xmlns:__="http://schemas.microsoft.com/msus/2004/02/OfflineSync" version="1.0"> <xsl:output omit-xml-declaration="yes" indent="no" method="text" /> <xsl:template match="/"> <xsl:for-each select="__:OfflineSyncPackage/__:FileLocations/__:FileLocation"> <xsl:if test="contains(@Url, 'windowsxp')"> <xsl:value-of select="@Url" /> <xsl:text>&#10;</xsl:text> </xsl:if> </xsl:for-each> </xsl:template> </xsl:stylesheet> Finally put all files under the same directory and then run this, that's how I generated my own list of updates called xp.txt with 21,348 links: cscript.exe //Nologo //B //E:vbs XSLT.vbs package.xml xp.xsl x.txt gsort.exe -u -T . x.txt >xp.txt Not sure if there were anything missing from the latest version of http://download.windowsupdate.com/microsoftupdate/v6/wsusscan/wsusscn2.cab or otherwise? For instance, the oldest version of package.xml available should be https://web.archive.org/web/20051024011634/http://%E2%80%8Bdownload.windowsupdate.com/microsoftupdate/v6/wsusscan/wsusscan.cab and it's dated October 2005. Obviously the abandoned Microsoft JVM http://www.download.windowsupdate.com/msdownload/update/v3-19990518/cabpool/msjavwu_8073687b82d41db93f4c2a04af2b34d.exe could still be found inside that particular version of package.xml. However, it's no longer available in the latest version of package.xml anymore.

"Because Windows <number of latest windows version here> is way better and works perfectly on me compared windows <number of any previous windows version> and you are just scared of new things and move on and wont understand from security at all" that same response been used since windows 98 rolled out with it bloated ie4 desktop and many did not like it as response to peoples who used windows 95, then when win98 and 98se and ME got eol and xp and 2k were more mainstream same started again. Soon 2k neared eol and same started insist to it, then xp eol and same argument started again. Same response been out now over 20 years because newer must be better to some. For most basic users there has not been notable changes in windows since 95, most notable changes are to power users like me. Windows 98 was windows 95 with ie4 and active desktop, Windows ME was rebranded Windows 98 with few ui changes and usb driver and dos mode removed. Windows 2000 was real improved due usb and NTFS. Windows XP was polished Windows 2000 expect improved compability to legacy applications, new management features and few others that mattered me and of course Iiked new themes it could support. Windows vista was originally developed around Server 2003 and had some improvements mostly to 64bit support while remaining decent compability. Windows 7 was polished windows vista sp2 with few under hood changes. Any Windows version after that forgot all good UI design guidelines by forcing beginner mobile ui to desktop pc. Most peoples just believe what Microsoft and media says them from Millions of hackers attacking to every old Windows version out there and also see no issue upgrade since all they do is play few new AAA titles, watch cat videos on chrome and got no legacy apps used. I say best is to ignore them. Lot peoples do not like anything old technology since believe those are bad compared new ones. I am using oldshcool nokia phone from 2003 (6600) and peoples think it is stupid and insecure and how hackers will hijack it but I do not care. It can make calls and got 40.3kbp/s mobile data incase need plus can swap battery myself (unlike on new ones). Same said from me running windows 7 and xp instead of "teh latest and greatest windows 10" but I use it anyway since can do all type of modern things on it thanks to this board and it developers (newmoon, mailnews etc.). Someday peoples will hopefully realise the facts on that newer is not always better

probably microsoft advertised windows 10 so much that it stuck and is now the only windows anyone thinks about anymore as the Supreme os

This is an old hardware issue, but one that remains with us. Most manufacturers (at least Microsoft, Logitech and Razer, but probably most others, too), if not all, use Omron D2FC-F-7N microswitches in their mouses, at least for the two classical upper buttons, and usually for all buttons in many-buttoned mice. So the Omron D2FC-F-7N became a de-facto standard (for instance, see the pic collection here). This is a good and sensitive microswitch, based on a single-piece copper-plated steel leaf-spring, which, however wears out due to material fatigue, and starts to behave unreliably. Since it's, by far, *the* most used mouse button, the left upper button is usually the one in which the problem manifests itself, causing double-clicks to occur when one tries to single-click. There are various solutions around the net for this problem, assuming one does not want to replace the mouse: 1) Of course, the definitive one is to substitute the misbehaving microswitch. Since the Omron D2FC-F-7N microswitches are available on e-Bay for under US$5 a pair, that's the solution I favor, and have used to keep my three Intellimouse Optical v 1.1 mice working (I have already substituted the left upper button microswitch twice in each of them, and still have not seen the problem happen with any of the other buttons). 2) Then, there is the leaf-spring remove-retension-reinstall solution, which is pretty well described here (how to fix the 'double-click' problem on your G7 mouse), but which I was never able to do (all I accomplished was to make the already bad microswitch completely unresponsive). If one manages to perform it correctly, it should prolong the life of the microswitch somewhat. 3) Finally, there's an interim software solution, which really helps overcome the double-clicking on single-clicking issue, in its initial stages, although it gets innefective as the spring gets worse. This is the freeware program MouseFix (direct download), by Daniel Jackson. His MouseFix page (please scroll way down) is worthy of reading, and also offers the program's source code. The usual way of running MouseFix is simply to add a link it to the Startup folder in the Start Menu... however, since MouseFix hooks one of the mouse events, this leads to the cursor becoming unresponsive at times, due to it being run at Normal priority. My solution is to set it to High or, even better, RealTime priority. To do this automatically on startup, edit the Target field in the link to MouseFix, so that it becomes: C:\WINDOWS\system32\cmd.exe /c start "" /B /REALTIME "C:\Program Files\MouseFix\MouseFix.exe"if your copy of MouseFix is at C:\Program Files\MouseFix\, or adjust the drive and path as needed, and set the Run field to Minimized. This'll start MouseFix with RealTime priority, eliminating all unresponsiveness. BTW, there's KB266738 (and its 2003 version), but IMO that MS document induces one to check many things pointlessly, inspiring false hopes, before coming round to realize it, in fact, is a hardware problem. There's also a still open thead, from 2005, at neowin about it, and I cite it here as one of sources of part of the info above, and for its historical value.