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While thinking on this one at some point I somehow ended up with the kludge "RoyTamFoxMoon," which does evoke some degree of humor... it's the RTFM browser! lol (please, no one take this as a serious attempt at a name! I'll address RoyFox further down) lol. BTW Roy* browsers sounds like I'm narcissism Agree here re: the "for XP" language, while it seems clear and convenient it makes the name unnecessarily longer and omits the fact that the builds work on Vista as well. in the beginning "for XP" was just for distinguishing from regular (non XP compatible) builds, now it's kind of lost meaning. BTW, for names that Tobin suggested this time, I personally not opposed to, moreover, with quite nice artworks. But may be I want a "twist" to the names so to become more unique/unusual?

As you all know, the motherboard of my RDD has bit the dust. So, I have replaced it with an interim one, an Asus TUV4X, which unfortunately is defective as well (extremely long boot times, most likely capacitor issues). While I am waiting for the arrival of the new one (which boots XP in normal times, just 18 seconds on an old clunky 30GB hard drive), I am in the process of setting up the OS (this time the RDD is going to be a more powerful Tualatin system in terms of processing power and RAM) and so, I have installed a genuine copy of XP Pro SP3 including an original product key I stored long ago. Well, when it came to activation, I did the good old online process, and interestingly enough, Windows activated itself without any issue... Either it was luck or I just don't know.

Most sadly, the author no longer provides a 32-bit Windows installer, so Vista x86 users (like yours truly) are scr**ed ; last 32-bit installer for Hugin is from two and a half years ago, for version 2017.0 : https://sourceforge.net/projects/hugin/files/hugin/hugin-2017.0/Hugin-2017.0-win32.msi/download Merry Xmas to all (that observe it, since this is an international forum )

Yeah, at some point a few months after i posted this, ms fixed all the activation stuff i think it may be because they updated all their internal certs due to an industry change which had the side effect of fixing activation but there was a long period where the only way to activate was the above method it wouldn’t surprise me though if they decide to keep the servers up they let the certs expire again

And I will tell you, once more, that FirefoxESR (Nightly) 45.9.18 (by Roytam1) doesn't come with h264+aac decoders out-of-the-box; you have to download one yourself (instructions about Adobe Primetime CDM are to be found in a stickied thread in the XP forums, instructions/links for the LAV Filters DLLs are provided by Roytam1 himself and are to be found in a prominent location in this thread (which I've also linked to...); SIMPLE AS THAT! (Unless you consider spending 5min to install one of these "solutions" as a major inconvenience that will further deter you/anyone for that matter from using the browser(s)...) (For the record, you were also previously advised to "install" an appropriate h264 decoder by @Mathwiz, a "solution" you obviously chose to ignore... ) As for uMatrix, stick to it if it's "indispensable" to you, but don't automatically assume it's the browser's fault (and by association the maintainer's bugged coding) when you keep facing various page-rendering/media loading issues; try to post such a similar issue in the official PM forums and you'll be immediately told (and not in a courteous manner) that it's not the browser's job to adapt to a particular extension, but the other way round (BTW, "legacy" uMatrix is an abandonware, as far as I am aware - a fork is available; and WE uMatrix, if that's the one you're using with FxESR45, hasn't seen any major action for quite a long time...). FYI, Roytam1 did not create his FxESR45 fork out-of-nothing, but it's mainly based on the original 45esr code by Mozilla; this is an old codebase, and there's only limited "things" one can do to improve it (Fx45 can't be turned into Fx52+ as if by magic); Roytam1 is focusing on improving TLS support there, plus other (minor) rendering fixes are backported from another fork; all these as a courtesy to members running old hardware that lacks SSE2 instructions set support; and it's often the case that those users are simply content when a specific page justs loads in the browser, having little or no desire to start in-page HTML5 MP4 playback (which could "fry" their old CPUs or just be practically unwatchable) ... Trust me, his life would be made much easier/simpler if he stopped maintaining these forks... And please, do not post any more HTML5 MP4 video testing sites, I have myself more than a dozen to suggest; all will work fine, as long as the browser they're tested on can use patented (h264, aac) decoders and the video sites are properly allowed to load their embedded HTML5 players... I am personally done with this specific issue of Roytam1's 45.9.18 fork not playing back MP4 video in OP's machine; anyone is free to pick up the baton and pursue it further... @msfntor : Joyeux Noël !

Today I managed to install .NET Framework 4.8 on my VM with Windows Vista Home Basic x64, how did I do it? First to install it use the method previously used with the .NET Framework 4.6.2 and 4.7.x; nothing more than this time the procedure is longer since when starting any application designed for .NET Framework 4.x in Vista an error dialog appears for lack of instructions in kernel32.dll and ole32.dll respectively. In HxD edit the clr.dll file that was the library that calls those instructions, replace clr.dll with the edited version and, surprise! NET Framework 4.8 is compatible with Windows Vista! Even create a small application with Visual Studio in Windows 7 to see if it worked at all and NET Framework 4.8 works correctly in Vista. Instructions for installing NET Framework 4.8 on Vista (you need to have a minimum .NET Framework 4.6.1 installed) 1. With the method of previous versions on this page: https://msfn.org/board/topic/178673-tutorial-how-to-install-net-framework-472-on-windows-vista/ 2. After finishing the installation, replace clr.dll in "C:\Windows\Microsoft.NET\Framework\v4.0.30319" and "C:\Windows\Microsoft.NET\Framework64\v4.0.30319" with the versions in the zip file 3. Do regsvr32 if necessary 4. Restart your Windows Vista 5. NET Framework 4.8 in Windows Vista! Link to download the parch: Download

It's an original, unmodified ASMedia driver, which was developed as a generic driver (doesn't do any device checks): - uses SCSIPORT.SYS, so it is compatible with Windows 2000/XP and doesn't require integration of STORPORT.SYS (possible on XP only). - performance is fine, seems stable so far, supports 48-bit LBA and maybe up to 8 ports (6 tested here). - original 32-bit (x86) device property sheet didn't support Windows 2000, so I've coded my own version to support the OS, plus it asks to restart Windows if setting is changed. There are only two limitations: - Optical drives are seen as "ejectable" drives and shown in Safely Remove Hardware icon. - If you disable AHCI port 0, ATA and SMART atributtes cannot be read in utilities such as AIDA64. Download at https://www.win-raid.com/t5753f45-Generic-SCSIAHCI-driver-for-Windows-XP.html

Why not: Chilling Howl for the Pale Moon derived browsers and Scary Rattle for the Serpent derived browsers, perhaps followed by a number (viz. "52" or "55") to distinguish the variants? http://web.archive.org/web/19990508123652/http://ftp.sunet.se/ftp/pub/pictures/animals/snakes/burmp.jpg

Actually the settings are still in registry, even if you open the settings window there's everything set as it was before and it says OldNewExplorer is installed, but it actcs as if it is not and only uninstalling and installing applies the changes again... even restarting of explorer.exe doesn't fix that...

You only have 2 posts, so you're likely new here. Who are you to show up and start jumping down peoples throats?

Arctic Fox is very similar to New Moon 27. But at present @roytam1 only has an SSE2 build available. New Moon 27 has an SSE-only build. MyPal is very similar to New Moon 28. Both require SSE2. So if you're looking for a browser for an SSE-only PC, I'd look at either New Moon 27, @roytam1's Firefox 45 build, or perhaps his SSErpent 52 build (that last one is still experimental though).

Monroe said: > perhaps ''MoonBeam"... Oh... which brings me to "MoonRay" now... somehow like it, and not quite so personal... Of course roytam1 will do what he wants, no one contradicts that. But he has stated that name choices don't really matter to him, therefore nothing wrong with making suggestions.

I've just finished re-testing latest Firefox (Nightly) ESR 45.9.18 (2019-12-07) (32-bit) and in my Vista SP2 x86 laptop: 1. The browser's WMF implementation is broken ; no matter the value of media.wmf.enabled (default is true), the browser can't access native OS patented decoders; hence, tests like https://demos.flowplayer.com/videotest/mp4.html fail on a stock profile/installation! So, despite being on Vista SP2 (fully updated codec wise), I still have to add to the browser a functioning h264+aac decoder, very much like in Windows XP 2. The two available choices for a h264+aac decoder to be added to roytam1's FxESR45 fork are: a. The Adobe Primetime CDM ; at least here on Vista, the browser fetched and installed the (first) older version 15 of the CDM; I double-checked the CDM is enabled in about:addons => plugins and that its decoder is also active, "media.gmp.decoder.enabled;true" b. If you don't have/don't want to install the APCDM, then you download and "install" (this is a local "portable" installation) the (linked on first page) LAV Filters DLLs (to be placed adjacent to firefox.exe) I have tried both methods (but not when both decoders are present and enabled ; you can disable APCDM from within about:addons (and its decoder from within about:config) but, AFAIK, you can't disable LAV Filters in any way other than removing them from main appDir); both methods yield a working h264+aac decoder (various HTML5 MP4 tests succeed). As for Twitter in particular, the sample video page does load successfully https://twitter.com/i/status/1160137655524270080 without messing with the User-Agent, but, probably due to older JS+CSS support in FxESR45, the PLAY button does not stay visible on-top of the embedded HTML5 player (I have "media.autoplay.enabled;false" so that video clips don't autostart ; however, if you click on the clip area, the video playback will successfully start (with an MP4 decoder properly "installed" beforehand): So again @msfntor, your inability to achieve Twitter clips playback is due to something particular to your FxESR45 profile and your OS version (XP SP2 x86); check if Twitter plays in a default FxESR45 profile with ONE of the two MP4 decoders properly installed - it is uncertain yet whether APCDM (v15/17) and the LAV DLLs work as expected under XP SP2 32-bit; it may be only one of these solutions works for you! If you can successfully install one of the two solutions, then, as instructed, check in an otherwise untouched browser profile; if Twitter plays (with a DIRECT connection, don't use Proxies/VPNs), then it's something else you've changed! Twitter normally send HLS streams, these require a working Media Source Extensions (MSE) implementation in the browser you're testing with; in FxESR45 verify: media.mp4.enabled;true media.mediasource.enabled;true media.mediasource.mp4.enabled;true And I repeat: Less Is More; I only use uB0-legacy in most browsers, I don't feel I need more "protection"... Me humbly thinks uMatrix causes you more trouble than it's worth ... And one last comment, if you will: @roytam1 , God bless him always , provides a wide selection of browser forks, to cater to various user cases; but you don't have to have (and test) all these browsers on your system! Stick to the one better working/most suitable for your browsing habits/needs (I personally alternate between NM28/UXP and St52/UXP, occasionally using St55/Moebius, since my CPU does support SSE2).

Agree with LoneCrusader. Branding is overrated and overblown. Silly names and graphics don't break or make a product, what matters if it's good or not to begin with. All you have to do is look at the Linux "Desktop" Efforts. They had a damn good and winning one with Gnome 2. Then the "Branding Cowboys" came along and basically ruined the Gnome project and the Linux "desktop" efforts with Gnome 3 and the same sort of Fisher-Price Icons,Graphics and Mindset that we're seeing being promoted here. If Roy doesn't want to deal with this sort of garbage, he shouldn't have to. End of discussion.

if your system has LAV filter installed (manually, or via K-Lite Codec Pack, etc.), my Tycho/Fx45 builds will use it automatically.

I actually like what Matt wants to achieve with different branding for different operating systems. But since roytam1's doesn't want to have the work of going through the whole rebranding of his browsers (icons, banners, name...), here's my take. The browser - which is actually some sort of Firefox fork - would have the same name across all OSes, a name of his own choice, I don't care which name it has (Pale Moon, New Moon, RoyFox...) BUT the version of it must have a codename that must refer to something to identify the OS version it supports. Every big company has a project with a codename (Apple with the failed Copland project and its successful macOS versions, Microsoft themselves does it since mid 90's, even I do that at my work). For example, let's be open minded a bit here, just for a exercise... what if he actually names his browser as "RoyFox", and in its about window the codename it supports is there - for example, Whistler for XP? Then you would know it is for XP. Then you would know that you need RoyFox Whistler for XP, RoyFox Neptune for Windows 2000... Same for the github repos: the branch name would be the codename, as well as the MSI/Executable installers of his browser. That's my 2 cents on this subject. Everyone wins - he can use whatever name he likes and we can have a codename in which we can identify the OS each version of his forked Firefox browser supports. End of story.

The @LoneCrusader is a dear friend and it grieves me to be pushed into arguing publicly with him about this, but I was never given any choice about it, since he seems to be the main (and, ATM, only) voice oposing the (re-)branding of the browsers. That said... True enough. But, while not forgetting, moving on is sometimes required, and I think this is one such case. There is a time for appeasing, and one for open confilct. I hope we won't keep arguing uselessly until we are beyond all possible compromise. Most of those in this thread are for the (re-)branding. I think that PoV has already won by acclamation. ... and you are the only one doing quite a strong effort to derail any compromise, when most of us don't see the facts in the same light as you do.

Rebranding ect.: I've always had a clear opinion myself that different builds and versions should be easily discernible for users. And easily, without needing expert knowledge. Otherwise confusions are intended and will lead to completely unnecessary probs and wasting much time, without any need. Side note: similar prob by the way for K-Meleon. Before the version upgrade to 76.1, all modern Goanna builds declared themselves as "K-Meleon 76", exactly the same as the much older Gecko builds from 2016, which are also "K-Meleon 76". No way for users to tell apart, except at download time, before unzipping and running it (at least the 7z package has a different name, KM-Goanna, but that will quickly be forgotten.) Although our KM main dev had already suggested the logical next version 77 for those much advanced Goanna builds, before vanishing again. But I was rather lonely with that opinion too, and got attacked for it from several fellow KM fans, when daring to mention it 2-3 times. No idea why it's so hard to grasp that such intentional confusions are causing completely unnecessary probs for others and should be avoided, at least if requiring hardly any effort, only insight. Back to here. To me, this current conflict too just demonstrates all over again that almost all extremely one-sided black/white ideologies are just harmful. And again shows that strictly ideological parties aren't ready to move 1mm, no matter how much it harms others - as long as not forced by external circumstances. No chance if not yet harming themselves too much too, strongly enough, beyond their own limit. Luckily, this point and insight seems to finally be reached now - Yay! :D Tobin has done a GREAT step forward, although it's clear it's not a general change of attitude or end of war, but that doesn't matter. It's still a very positive and acceptable step forward (for now), much more as could be expected, with no strings attached (it seems, and hopefully no trojan horse) And finally there's also a real chance to move a bit forward from the other side too, taking the outstretched helpful hand for the benefit of both, and for less expert users too :-) Regardless that fundamental opinions and attitudes never change, but solving single issues independently is still possible and helps all sides!

I'm sorry LoneCrusader but by invoking the bsd-wip github issue you have lost any credibility among any of us over here. I will take responsibility for what I said on the Pale Moon forums and in my channel. I even take responsibility for what I said in that github issue BUT in THAT CASE I was in the right and there is no denying that from any rational mind. Could a word order change have not evoked such a disproportionate response from them? I have asked that question many times since then. I want to say yes but I know those bsd people are batshit insane. They don't respect intellectual property OR software licenses wanting to treat everything as public domain and/or theirs without cause and are at a level of fanaticism that outshines even my self. So no. You don't get to cite that as a valid argument against me to promote blatant anti-Tobinism. I won't stand for it. You're done. Fortunately for the rest of everyone who isn't you, I am not going to let that impact the start of what I hope will be better times. So to everyone else, nothing has been impacted by LoneCrusader's machinations. I stand by what I have offered and suggested.

Admittedly, there's zero benefit to me from new branding. At best, we'll get some spiffy new icons, and new artwork in Help / About, but the core functionality of our UXP-derived browsers isn't changing. The difference I see is that this time, @Matt A. Tobin is offering to do a good portion of the necessary work. And I don't see that we're sacrificing anything; if we are, please enlighten me. I'd be much more dubious about this if I though we were losing anything concrete .

You are right, our version of XP is pretty heavily modified and our virtual machines don't always behave like physical ones do, but I don't have a "normal" XP SP3 installed in a physical machine. Since you are pointing it out, I take the chance to tell everyone that we have a group on Skype in which we organise things to do, so if someone is willing to help us testing or coding and so on before posting the results here on MSFN, feel free to tell us and we'll add you. Out of records, this is something we do in our spare time, and it's actually done in a bit of a rush as we are all very busy (me, Dibya, Samuel, Peter). If they were official projects, they would have been organised on VSTS (Visual Studio Team Services), with a track of every change, every commit, recorded test sessions and so on, but they are not and everything is a bit of a mess. On the top of that, only Samuel works as a Full Stack Developer; I mean Peter is more of a system admin than a programmer (but he's studying how to code), Dibya is a junior developer and he is trying to do a lot of things driven by the passion he has (and he's still improving year by year) and I do something completely different for a living as I'm a broadcast engineer, specifically I'm an encoder: I encode programmes to make sure that they are ready to be put on air (Luma and Chroma are in range, audio is at -24LUFS, there's no noise, no aliasing, no ringing etc by writing scripts in a pseudo code close to C). I know that it might sound like "oh, so you actually are a programmer" and the answer is "yes, but as long as it's AV related, I'm fine, but if it's not, I'm not that good and on top of that, I suck in writing intrinsics, for instance". In other words, it's a pretty "weird" group, but we all share the same passion for XP, even though for me it's becoming something more "academic", just to see what "can be done" as my main OS is Fedora (Linux) and I do many other things on Windows Server 2019, and at work I have W10 on all my workstations (I mean, I don't like it, but I can live with it, 'cause work is work and it's all about getting things done).

Have you ever used vista? Vista SP2 runs faster than Windows 7 SP1 and even feels smoother but then again thats my opinion.