My Browser Builds (Part 5)

[AstroSkipper]

20 minutes ago, kiza124 said:

Why is it done in palemoon 28 that if 1 tab is open and you click the cross (make Close Tab), then the entire browser closes? Is this how it was intended or is this happening by mistake?

If the pref browser.tabs.closeWindowWithLastTab is set to true, this will happen. So you have to set it to false. I never tried that myself but it should actually work.

[nicolaasjan]

30 minutes ago, kiza124 said:

Why is it done in palemoon 28 that if 1 tab is open and you click the cross (make Close Tab), then the entire browser closes? Is this how it was intended or is this happening by mistake?

Go to Tools ---> Preferences ---> Tabs

Uncheck "Close the window when the last tab is closed".

@AstroSkipper said:

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If the pref browser.tabs.closeWindowWithLastTab is set to true, this will happen. So you have to set it to false. I never tried that myself but it should actually work.

Yes, that also works.

Edited June 5 by nicolaasjan

[UCyborg]

14 hours ago, Mathwiz said:

I frequent AVSForum.com, and they made a change today that's resulting in insanity on St 55. See attachment. (There's also a link you can use for testing at the bottom of the image.)

That used to be a tiny icon in each post. Now it's giant sized and overlays the post text, making it unreadable. (I already tried a clean profile. No difference.)

I've seen this on a few other sites and assume it's some newly-popular CSS Googlism. Anyone know of a workaround, other than "switch to the latest Chrome version?"

Official build of PM 33.0.0 from January 2023 renders this correctly, roytam1's builds from that time do not.

So rather than new Googlism it looks more like an old roytam1's bug. One of those that go on for years!

Same for wrestlingforum.com.

[NotHereToPlayGames]

29 minutes ago, UCyborg said:

One of those that go on for years!

[Skorpios]

AVSforum and Wrestlingforum looks OK with MP68, 360Redux and Mypal 29.3

Same problems as Mathwiz and kuja killer with Serpent 52/55, NM28 and Seamonkey 2.49.5

For some reason I've a minor font issue with Supermium/Thorium and MiniBrowser on both sites.

BTW, both sites use the same forum software as a lot of other interesting forums.
https://fora.com/communities/

 

[UCyborg]

43 minutes ago, NotHereToPlayGames said:

There is a build of KMGoanna from 2020 that runs HexGL smoothly on Windows XP when you set both WebGL and webpage compositing to use OpenGL. I've not seen another build like it since. Admittedly, I haven't checked any of 2024 builds yet.

37 minutes ago, Skorpios said:

Seamonkey 2.49.5

Maybe it's old Mozilla bug, but I haven't checked any old Firefox versions. The issue seems to crop up in recent SeaMonkey builds as well, but they've fallen quite behind the Moonchild's crew.

Edited June 5 by UCyborg

[Mathwiz]

4 hours ago, UCyborg said:

Official build of PM 33.0.0 from January 2023 renders this correctly, roytam1's builds from that time do not.

So rather than new Googlism it looks more like an old roytam1's bug. One of those that go on for years!

Same for wrestlingforum.com.

Well, how about that? I guess it's a recent change on these sites that just started triggering the old bug. But at least now, we have someplace to start looking.

4 hours ago, Skorpios said:

AVSforum and Wrestlingforum looks OK with MP68 ... and Mypal 29.3

Same problems as Mathwiz and kuja killer with Serpent 52/55, NM28 and Seamonkey 2.49.5

So Mozilla must have fixed it somewhere between FFs 53 and 68, and (assuming MyPal 29.3 was based on PM 29.3) it appears MCP incorporated the fix long ago as well; yet somehow the fix still hasn't make it into any of @roytam1's browsers (well, to be fair, no one has tried NM 27 yet).

Does that seem reasonable, and does it help us find the issue?

[roytam1]

2 hours ago, Mathwiz said:

Well, how about that? I guess it's a recent change on these sites that just started triggering the old bug. But at least now, we have someplace to start looking.

So Mozilla must have fixed it somewhere between FFs 53 and 68, and (assuming MyPal 29.3 was based on PM 29.3) it appears MCP incorporated the fix long ago as well; yet somehow the fix still hasn't make it into any of @roytam1's browsers (well, to be fair, no one has tried NM 27 yet).

Does that seem reasonable, and does it help us find the issue?

we may need someone to check when is PM and/or MyPal-UXP "fixed" this thing to narrow down rev range to see if I missed something.

(to me, I'm hard to believe that I missed changes from PM upstream since I have a branch tightly matching upstream's changes)

Edited June 6 by roytam1

[Mathwiz]

Well, I tried to narrow it down on the Mozilla side by downloading FF 60 Portable from PortableApps - but I couldn't even get it to start up!

I'll keep trying but I'm afraid I'm going to need some help with this.

[Mathwiz]

OK, this is off-topic, but things are getting weirder....

There is something on my system blocking me from launching any application named "firefox.exe." I have to rename Firefox to, say, firefoxx.exe for it to run! If I don't rename it, when I try to launch it, it says it doesn't exist!

Anyone ever heard of such a thing?

Edit 3: OK I found that problem. At one point I was experimenting with trying to run Mo versions >115 with VxKex (a Win 7 kernel extender). I had no luck, so I uninstalled VxKex. Unfortunately, the uninstall did not revert a registry key, so anytime I tried to run firefox.exe, Windows tried to load VxKex and of course, couldn't find it. That was the real missing file. Deleting the registry key fixed it.

That said, I can confirm that Mo 68.9 ESR does not render AVSForum correctly. Same bug as Serpent. Clean profile.

Edit: OK, getting closer. Mo 78.9 ESR does render AVSForum correctly. So Mozilla's fix was between 68 and 78 (and presumably backported to MyPal).

Edit 2: OK, got it. Mo 68.9 ESR doesn't work, but Mo 69 does work. So Mozilla's fix landed in version 69. The date of the fix appears to be circa Oct. 2019. At least, that's the date on all the files in the Mozilla Firefox folder.

Hmm.... Perhaps this? The SVG geometry attributes (such as width and height) can now also be defined as CSS properties (Firefox bug 1383650).

Edit 4: The fix appears to have landed in official Pale Moon somewhat later: version 29.1.1, dated 26-Mar-2021. Version 29.1.0, dated 1-Mar-2021, does not render AVSForum.com correctly. So I have it narrowed down to one month.

Edit 5: On a hunch, I checked @roytam1's St 52 build from March 2021. And sure enough, that same CSS fix landed in the last week of that month. So, I downloaded the St 52 build - and it does render AVSForum correctly! (Well, not quite; as feared, there are other issues, but at least those giant graphics aren't present.)

So, it's a regression: been fixed, but somewhere along the line, it broke again.

It's getting awfully late here, though. I'm going to bed now.

Edited June 6 by Mathwiz

[roytam1]

3 hours ago, Mathwiz said:

OK, this is off-topic, but things are getting weirder....

There is something on my system blocking me from launching any application named "firefox.exe." I have to rename Firefox to, say, firefoxx.exe for it to run! If I don't rename it, when I try to launch it, it says it doesn't exist!

Anyone ever heard of such a thing?

Edit 3: OK I found that problem. At one point I was experimenting with trying to run Mo versions >115 with VxKex (a Win 7 kernel extender). I had no luck, so I uninstalled VxKex. Unfortunately, the uninstall did not revert a registry key, so anytime I tried to run firefox.exe, Windows tried to load VxKex and of course, couldn't find it. That was the real missing file. Deleting the registry key fixed it.

That said, I can confirm that Mo 68.9 ESR does not render AVSForum correctly. Same bug as Serpent. Clean profile.

Edit: OK, getting closer. Mo 78.9 ESR does render AVSForum correctly. So Mozilla's fix was between 68 and 78 (and presumably backported to MyPal).

Edit 2: OK, got it. Mo 68.9 ESR doesn't work, but Mo 69 does work. So Mozilla's fix landed in version 69. The date of the fix appears to be circa Oct. 2019. At least, that's the date on all the files in the Mozilla Firefox folder.

Hmm.... Perhaps this? The SVG geometry attributes (such as width and height) can now also be defined as CSS properties (Firefox bug 1383650).

Edit 4: The fix appears to have landed in official Pale Moon somewhat later: version 29.1.1, dated 26-Mar-2021. Version 29.1.0, dated 1-Mar-2021, does not render AVSForum.com correctly. So I have it narrowed down to one month.

Edit 5: On a hunch, I checked @roytam1's St 52 build from March 2021. And sure enough, that same CSS fix landed in the last week of that month. So, I downloaded the St 52 build - and it does render AVSForum correctly! (Well, not quite; as feared, there are other issues, but at least those giant graphics aren't present.)

So, it's a regression: been fixed, but somewhere along the line, it broke again.

It's getting awfully late here, though. I'm going to bed now.

thanks for your investigation. so basilisk52-g4.8.win32-git-20210327 is OK and basilisk52-g4.8.win32-git-20210320 fails?

http://rtfreesoft.blogspot.com/2021/03/weekly-browser-binaries-20210327.html

 

EDIT: oh yea there is a commit missed in my repo! "Issue #1749 - Remove restriction of SVG width/height element attributes." is missed, will add it back and will be available in next build.

Edited June 6 by roytam1

[NotHereToPlayGames]

5 hours ago, Mathwiz said:

Mo versions >115

What the h#ll is "Mo" ???

[schwups]

Mozilla

[NotHereToPlayGames]

Oh.  MAYBE that should have been obvious.  But it sure as h#ll wasn't to me.  I thought there was some new Floorp or LibreWolf or Waterfox or Mercury or r3dfox or PCXFirefox or Cyberfox or IceCat or Basilisk or Iceweasel or TenFourFox or Cliqz or CometBird or IceDragon or or or or or or or...

[UCyborg]

1 hour ago, NotHereToPlayGames said:

Oh.  MAYBE that should have been obvious.  But it sure as h#ll wasn't to me.

He just came up with that abbreviation several days ago. Yeah, not obvious unless you follow the posts here religiously. Moz would've been more obvious since that is the abbreviation Mozilla uses in their code.

Well, at least my brain quickly associates Moz with Mozilla, mo could be the cow mooing.

Edited June 6 by UCyborg