Telegram Discloses Names, Phone Numbers & IP Addresses Of Users, Don't Trust It - Proof!

[Cocodile]

Telegram Discloses Names, Phone Numbers, IP Addresses and other available personal data of its users.

As we know, the supposedly private messenger - Russian Telegram demands users to give up their phone numbers, and here's the result when millions foolishly trust such companies.

"in India, where there are more than 100 million Telegram users, the company in November provided the Delhi High Court with the names, phone numbers, and IP addresses of users "accused of illegally sharing a teachers’ copyrighted course" materials on the platform."

Sofi Ahsan

29 Nov 2022 6:30 AM GMT

https://www.livelaw.in/news-updates/after-court-order-telegram-discloses-phone-numbers-ip-addresses-of-users-accused-of-sharing-infringing-material-215311

 

[Dixel]

When you give them your phone, even if it's not yours, they still know your location and record the voice, they will prove it's you, when needed.

[jaclaz]

For what it matters, still in India, the equivalent of the DMV site (government site where you can obtain or renew your driving license) has been found to be vulnerable to several  possible exploits, including Sysadmin credentials, potentially exposing 185 million people personal data:

https://blog.robinjust.in/gov-in/2023/02/Exposing-Indian-Citizens-Sensitive-PII-and-more/

Essentially if you give personal data to anyone, assume that there will be a leak before or later.

jaclaz

Edited July 6, 2023 by jaclaz

[Tripredacus]

All social media and large platforms do this. You either choose to accept that this happens or you don't use the service. There's no point in trying to form teams for or against any particular service or program.

[XPerceniol]

On 7/6/2023 at 8:05 AM, Tripredacus said:

All social media and large platforms do this. You either choose to accept that this happens or you don't use the service. There's no point in trying to form teams for or against any particular service or program.

Which Is why I avoid social media and now I don't even have a cell phone because we only need our landline in the house and I'm sure "they" could prove its me, but I'm not all that worried about privacy as I post enough of my personal business/drama on here in threads anyway. I'm pretty much an open book and I wear my heart on my sleeve. Being an 'open book' has its drawbacks though and putting yourself out there can make one vulnerable and paranoid.

EDIT Fixed typos and grammar mistakes from yesterday.

Edited December 12, 2023 by XPerceniol

[j7n]

It seemed odd to me that Telegram requires an active phone number to sign up on the site, while boasting about anonymity. With most websites you don't need a phone number, and can just select a user name and password. I tried to use Telegram, but it required a modern smartphone to connect with it before it can be accessed from a PC.

[D.Draker]

Today’s Russian papers on Pavel Durov’s detention in Paris:

* “If Telegram crashes, how will [our army] fight?"

Courtesy and copyright of BBC.UK. (translated papers with English subt.). Interesting!

https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1827954149629337600/vid/avc1/1280x720/YeHbAsETO6SsYZLr.mp4

[D.Draker]

Given the all-out panic by the Kremlin concerning Durov's arrest, it is clear that Durov was a critical Russian asset and there will be direct implications on the ground for Russia. 

They call him the "Chief of Communications for the Russian Armed Forces". This all D.Draker wrote all the time, and long before. @Cocodile seemed to be one of the few who listened,

Will now be the mass exodus, what other members think? If so, where will you go?

[D.Draker]

On 12/22/2023 at 12:05 PM, j7n said:

It seemed odd to me that Telegram requires an active phone number to sign up on the site, while boasting about anonymity.

Nothing odd, simple data mining by the Russian FSB. I hope you didn't give them yours.

[D.Draker]

The charges against Pavel Durov have been published by the French authorities:

What is of interest to Telegram users, I'll translate.

- Complicity - Administration of an online platform to allow an illegal transaction in an organised band (gang, as in for organised crime, bandits).

- Refusal to communicate, at the request of the authorised authorities, the information or documents necessary.

You all are very welcome to seek for better translations.

 

 

 

Source: French Security Researcher Baptiste Robert

His verified account:

https://www.x.com/fs0c131y

[Tripredacus]

The basic gist is that Telegram is one of the few social media platforms that did not accept censorship demands of foreign governments, for good or for bad. Pavel Durov even had this MO when he ran VK.

https://t.me/durov/179

He is being charged with the crimes of his users. What makes his situation different from other social media CEOs is that all the other companies work with governments to censor their users, not just criminals or political opponents. I think these charges cannot stand because it basically means that any "webmaster" (the term used in the French complaint) is reponsible for illegal content and if so all social media platforms would go away.

Also this is another situation where a government is trying to enforce laws on a company that is not in their domain. UK has been speaking like this recently when it says it will try to extradite people from other countries who violate the UK speech laws, even if that person posted on a non-EU site.

[D.Draker]

23 hours ago, Tripredacus said:

He is being charged with the crimes of his users. What makes his situation different from other social media CEOs is that all the other companies work with governments to censor their users, not just criminals or political opponents. I think these charges cannot stand because it basically means that any "webmaster" (the term used in the French complaint) is reponsible for illegal content and if so all social media platforms would go away.

Also this is another situation where a government is trying to enforce laws on a company that is not in their domain. UK has been speaking like this recently when it says it will try to extradite people from other countries who violate the UK speech laws, even if that person posted on a non-EU site.

UK isn't in EU for a quite long time. Remember Brexit voting results? A very beneficial (again) result for whom? Right, Russia. As for those extradition threats, I'm not surprised, honestly. GB just behaves like it always did, the Master of our Universe. But are those purely British intentions, aren't they just mimicking the old times? That said, don't forget the amount of money invested in UK by Russia's oligarchs. Are there any British (Western) funded media left? I'm afraid, not.  From what I observe, yes I read British newspapers - UK sings Russia's songs. Example, Guardian has a billionaire Russian owner >link<.  BBC can be renamed to VOR (Voice Of Russia), the same goes to the German DW. How Russian state funded Telegram is any different? It worked on the international market with only one goal - help Russia destroy the West and make money on those illegalities. I'm sure our Chief Prosecutor knows what she does. France has one of the best Intelligence services, by the way.

 

 

Edited August 28 by D.Draker
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[Karla Sleutel]

I'm glad I never used Telegram, the name sounded very awkward for me, even though I'm not a native English speaker.

[D.Draker]

I think Durov already started talking, it's just we don't see the full picture because of the nature of the investigation, they tell us about 000.1%, and now he needs to avoid drinking russian tea.

[AstroSkipper]

If the people in charge of Telegram, such as the founder and CEO Pavel Durov, tolerate their service being used for serious crimes such as mass murder, illegal arms and drug trafficking, child pornography, formation of organised crime, organised fraud, war mongering, worst propaganda combined with fake news and so on (the list is almost endless) and do nothing about it, then such subjects must be held accountable. And Pavel Durov is still lucky. He was arrested and charged in the EU (France). Conversely, if such a person from the EU were to be arrested and charged in Pavel Durov's original home country, the usual death sentence would not be long in coming.

Edited August 27 by AstroSkipper
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