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That's the version/source I tried also. Will not launch in a Win10 x64 VM. Did not track down "why". May attempt again later in the week. Show us a screencap of its about:networking page. That will reveal any embedded telemetry. My hunch is that if Waterfox Classic has embedded telemetry, than so does the non-classic version!
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I personally hate hate hate this "thought pattern". Sorry, I just hate it! The very definition of 0-day is all about REACTION TIME. If your surfing habits land on pages that could catch a 0-day and you don't already have other DEFENSES, THEN YOU ARE AT RISK OF CATCHING IT BEFORE FIREFOX RELEASES THE PATCH THAT YOU FALSELY SEE AS YOUR SAVING GRACE! Firefox does not fix a 0-day within SECONDS of its discovery !!! It takes DAYS at the bare minimum! How many web sites did you visit in the span of those **DAYS**?
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I could not get Waterfox to launch. I could get Waterfox Classic to launch and I'm NOT liking what I see there. Regarding 0-day - DOES NOT CONCERN ME! "Hype and Propaganda" in my book. Blacklisting javascript and only whitelisting on a dozen cites you visit regularly TYPICALLY IS ENOUGH TO PREVENT ANY-AND-ALL ZERO-DAY BS!
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My Browser Builds (Part 5)
NotHereToPlayGames replied to roytam1's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
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And don't forget the about:networking link (somebody posted that in this thread, forget who, that's a new and very useful tool to keep in your quiver).
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These first-launch DNS hits look like TELEMETRY to me! But sure, it's an improvement to most Firefox/Mozilla Forks. I would stick with IceCat *if* I was forced to use a Mozilla Fork. Thankfully, I'm not forced to use them. To each their own, of course. And the so-called "portable" version added an entry to my start menu, entries to my registry, and what appears to be a UNIQUE ID FOLDER inside ProgramData. Which is why I only try inside a fresh/clean VM. I can now delete this VM as its cleanliness has been compromised.
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For reference, my tweaked and debloated Win7 == 22 processes, 254 MB RAM... I no longer remember what the process count and RAM consumption was before tweaking it. This is the VM test-version for a Toshiba Satellite laptop that died earlier this year. All of my OSes are tested on VMs before being applied to real hardware. This VM hasn't been used since 2017, I only fired it up for a reference screencap as this laptop is long gone.
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You're getting there. How far you want to improve is totally up to you. I'm just seeing that this thread was started by stating Win10 is too much for the computer that has been acquired and that Win7 was cited as a better choice. While that is very likely entirely true for "default install" Win7 versus "default install" Win10, I have tweaked and debloated Win7 also and from my experience, it was a waste of time compared to a tweaked and debloated Win10.
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How does your windows 10 look?
NotHereToPlayGames replied to kosamja's topic in Windows Desktops Screenshots
I always get a kick out of seeing that "green triangle" in your systray. -
I think this has taken the previous discussion slightly out of context. Sure, I'll grant you that some folks (not me!) rely heavily on "getting updates" (be it fully automatic or manual) - I see that itself as FEAR-MONGERING, some form of "update or else" side of the same coin! But it seems to me that the previous discussion was more to do with a fully functioning, fast and efficient Windows 10. And not "telemetry" in and of itself. The XP folks probably remember the popularity of this and perhaps even carried it over to their 10/11 via this, but make no mistake, removing "spy" features of our OS-of-choice is something most of us have been doing for DECADES.
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How does your windows 10 look?
NotHereToPlayGames replied to kosamja's topic in Windows Desktops Screenshots
Same here, I put My Computer in the corner, recycle bin beneath it, then the *REAL* IE icon beneath it (not a "shortcut", the *REAL* IE icon!). I don't have IE "installed" on my computers (my computers are intentionally configured WITHOUT any "default web browser"), but the *REAL* IE icon has a context menu for Internet Properties that I access on occasion. As for Shift-Delete - yes, that is an option, but I am ambidextrous and want to do everything with the MOUSE as much as possible. Sure, it may only be 3 times out of 10, but why drop the soldering iron, or oscilliscope probe, or cordless screwdriver just so that I can have one hand on the mouse and another on the keyboard? 9 times out of 10, I delete from context menus and not the keyboard. Unless I'm typing, I have no use for the keyboard. -
That's not enough. Especially for 10 and 11. If you want an OS without telemetry, you MUST remove "defender" , "smartscreen", "security center", and WINDOWS UPDATE. If you cannot bring yourself to using an OS that doesn't "update itself", then you (collective pronoun!) are "talking from both sides of your mouth" regarding TELEMETRY. I think what MANY of us forget is that it took us DECADES to get XP (just an example) to "behave" the way we wanted it to. But then we "expect" 10 (or 11) to compete with those "decades of fixes" we did with XP. I cite XP from personal experience. XP had bloat. XP was spyware! Look up the history of "Alexa" and the way that XP [SP2+] handled IE downloads and Outlook Express attachments! We just figured out how to remove the bloat and spyware.
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Like everything else that has embedded spyware (ie, Firefox, Chrome, Windows 98, ME, 2000, XP, 7, Vista, 8, 8.1, 10, 11, 360Chrome, you name it!), there are ways to remove it! I was still running XP all the way through THIS YEAR. It was only just months ago that I finally ditched XP and started using a heavily tweaked and customized bloat-free spyware-free Win10. It took many many months of trial-and-error FREEBIE TOOL ALREADY MENTIONED to get Win10 to my liking.
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How does your windows 10 look?
NotHereToPlayGames replied to kosamja's topic in Windows Desktops Screenshots
I do use my recycle bin "all the time". It's actually one of my Windows' PET PEEVES. When I delete something, I shouldn't have to delete it TWICE - once to "delete", the second time to remove from the recycle bin. My recycle bin is always always always EMPTY. Not because I don't delete things, but because I always have to delete things TWICE. THREE times if I'm talking an Outlook email - once to move to deleted items, second time to move to company's email recycle bin, third time to remove from there. When I delete something, I WANT IT DELETED, lol. -
No it F'in isn't! (sorry, no other way to say it, lol) Was a very lengthy and tedious process of trial-and-error to get it here, that's for sure. I have provided you with the freebie tool to get you there also. Until you (collective pronoun, not any one person) have demonstrated that you have taken that FIRST STEP (ie, proof that you have used that tool!), then I really cannot show you what you are doing WRONG if your Win10 is using 900 MB. Show me the .ini file of the freebie tool and I'll show you why you're still so HIGH for Win10 RAM at twice where mine is.
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Still sounds HIGH to me. That's TWICE my Win10 RAM consumption. Also, you souldn't focus only on RAM. How many processes and threads and handles are you running?
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How does your windows 10 look?
NotHereToPlayGames replied to kosamja's topic in Windows Desktops Screenshots
To be honest, I've never understood the fascination with "desktops". Just a bunch of "clutter" in my opinion. Plus, if we are talking about how "your windows 10 looks", per thread title, then there is SSSOOOOOO much more to "looks" then just the "desktop". ie, Win10 likes to do some of the context menus in "dark mode" even when you tell it to use "light mode" -- NOT ON MY WATCH THEY DON'T, hate hate hate "dark mode", even if just a context menu! My left-click Start Menu - My right-click Start Menu - My right-click Taskbar's Context Menu - -
How does your windows 10 look?
NotHereToPlayGames replied to kosamja's topic in Windows Desktops Screenshots
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I don't allow the Metro Apps to install in the first place. But once they are installed, you can uninstall them via PowerShell scripts.
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My Browser Builds (Part 5)
NotHereToPlayGames replied to roytam1's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
Everything updates fine from here at home. And yep, at least a few of the lists do come from Cloudflare servers, I did not check all of my lists. I think I need to STOP updating filter lists from AT WORK. The below is revealed in the logs when I perform an update here at home (I use the same exact lists at work) - I'm surprised I haven't been FIRED for these "words" showing up from a company computer on a company network! -
My Browser Builds (Part 5)
NotHereToPlayGames replied to roytam1's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
Can you show me via a screencap that the AdGuard lists come from a Cloudflare server? The lists will not update here at work but they still update fine at home. I could always manaully migrate a list from home to here at work. -
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NotHereToPlayGames replied to roytam1's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
Lucky you. Still down for me but should only be temporary. I'll give it a couple days. -
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NotHereToPlayGames replied to roytam1's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
It appears that all AdGuard lists are being taken offline. -
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NotHereToPlayGames replied to roytam1's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
This is in my Chromium profile, everything is always always always done in that profile FIRST. And then migrated over to my barely-used-near-END-OF-LIFE Serpent 52. "Long Live" all of these UXP browsers. All the power to those that use it. I'm not the only member of MSFN that sees them very near "end of life". Just for nostalgic purposes and not for "real use". Just kind of a fact, whether we "like" it or not. I am embarrassed to admit that ONE of the reasons I was using AdNauseam in the first place now is a feature of regular uBO. I only update lists MANUALLY and hate hate hate anything that auto-updates. To each their own. The icon changes color for when a list is successfully updated. That used to be only in AdNauseam but is now in uBO also. Did not track down to which version introduced this feature. -
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NotHereToPlayGames replied to roytam1's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
You have to do the par-for-the-course normal ol' mods for Serpent 52 because "as-is" the FIREFOX VERSION does have a "minimum" that wants something higher than FIFTY TWO. I think the minimum was somewhere in the mid SEVENTIES. But again, PAR FOR THE COURSE. We all know how to modify extensions for Serpent 52, nothing new and need not be regurgitated (sp?).