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Ok, i finally had some time to check few things and write about my AMD970 situation. Little summary machine is otherwise stable and running fine in WinXP and Windows 7, component are always the same. HW: 1) FX 8 core cpu + Asus M5A97 R2.0 - AMD970 board, last bios. 2) MSI 7950GT 512 MB PCI-E (i have two of them, tested both) 3) Soundcard CMI8738 PCI - no problems with soundcard on this setup, tried even different Soundcard in the process and no Nosound card or USB sound only. 4) Intel PCI 1 Gb/s NIC, detected as Intel 1000S MT desktop adapter (by other oses, official Intel last driver) Bellow is just 1 run of memtest picture without error, only 1 hour, but i ran whole day and was the was and my issues are consitent doent matters if is right after cold boot or after of 10 hours of running, its not wary. Storages are test, all ok. I have 3 setups (below) and problems one 2 you them - cleans install are pretty consistent, thring older migrated install has problem before i would able to simulate, same issues. A) Clean install, 40 GB HDD Seagate, WIn98 one and only partition on HDD. Sata patch - running fine. MEMpach and SPLIT installed, tested with or without System.in limiter to 1024 MB. NIC installed before Nvidia drivers - running fine. Nvidia card - installed last Errors appeared. NO HW conflicts. No USB drivers for just to be sure. NO USP3. State: Explorer errors related to Nvidia.dlls B) Clean install,Seagate 160 GB, testing 10 GB partion on start of disk, but for sure Terabyte pack, ATA patche installed, LBA48 is ok. Sata patch no issues. Himem.exe limited to 1024MB. NO HW conflicts. No issue unless is NIC installed. No USB drivers for just to be sure. NO USP3. State: Explorer errors related to Nvidia.dlls C) Migrated install, installed without /p i option - i didnt know that 5+ years, but except USB audios issues (fixable) was tested on 7+ boards.. ago. Czech Windows 98 SE, all other installation are ENG. SSD 120GB Intel 320 - first 10 GB for FAT32 Win98. Sata patch - running fine Patchmem (for to be sure limited to 1024 via System.ini), SPLIT8MB State: Machine running fine, unless is 1Gb NIC added, after that i cant even normal boot, bought RAM patch (SPLIT8MB) which should to fix it, but i never was able to boot after NIC driver installatiom. USP3 installed, USB stack removed to minimize issues, no HW conflicts.. With Intel 100S - slower NIC is running fine. Error is System protection error and in boolog is error about ESDI_506 when i add Intel NIC, i really dont know why, because otherwise Sata patch is running fine. But Nvidia related errors are there even without NIC driver installed, errors are the same.. ----------- D,E,F - had some memory cards in Sata or IDE adapters install to, it was all the same behavior.. nvidia dll erros, after all device drivers were installed.. I have Geforce 7800 256 MB on the way but it could take 2 weeks, after i would be able to test same setup without patched Nvidia driver. Bellow are Explorer errors related to Nvidia, are very often after 1 GB NIC drivers are installed. As i maybe wrote, i see 3 main reasons for my problems: 1) Unofficial Nvidia driver is really junk and not working on any computer, it was recommended for me here so i dont believe in it too much. 2) Something in the Nvidia patch need to adjusted /added to work with Intel 1000S MT Desktop (which could be in theory junk too, but i dont have any other on Nvidia driver to collide with it) I hope that someone understand Windows on ASM registry level and could say something about it.. A) 40GB pictures, some picture are blurry but originals are readable.. B) 160 GB Nvcheck: Just after command.com run broken gui: \ C) Bootlog hangs on ESDI after 1 GB NIC is driver is installed (Update added some new pictures here):
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I still not had enough write to write proper and response, but i just isolated that problem is not ram patch, problem is combination of G7950GT patched driver + my Intel 1000 MT Desktop adapter NIC. I first time managed to make them boot (clean installation) together with himem.exe and its same as with Rloew ram patch, is Explorer is very unstable and all errors are nvidia dlls related.. No conflict in device manager, but something in that combination is really wrong. I will post some picture with error messages later. Games or other apps are working, but when i doing anything in explorer i dont have minute without error. I changed order of installation and installed NIC, Audio and first and videocard driver later and before it, all was fine. There is very small change that unofficial driver is really bugged and that i normal, but i dont want to believe that, because otherwise make fix for it does not make a sense and whole Geforce 7 512 MB Windows 98 GPU case would be dead end, so it has to be conflict with the patched driver..
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I didnt i at least in this installation (back i did it for lots of others, because i never read dont do it, USP3 has own USB stack but is only optimal, you dont have to install it), i only pointed that such filename is also in the pack. I copied them, but search for driver or remove it was needed to redirection, i expected with this will be done during installation, but its only small problem, important is that infs are working great.. Whole OS power management is complicated, but could be just coded pure dirty ASM shutdown for fix to shutdown computer? I never got, what is it, is expected that is something like USB virtual device logic or something lie that, because is between USB controllers in device manager stuff. Im using KVM USB switch and USB audio cards are if im not work detected like USB composite device (HID + Audio) i dont know why. Summary for X99 build with this board- if there no other how to fix USB2 suggestion, is that it can work, but USB2 addon card is needed is probably the same as 2 Z97 MBs were i have very similar issues there. New Intel USB 3 /2 controller problematic even in never OSes and nUSB would probably need some adjustments to handle it properly.
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Im not sure what all this means, could i just use Sata_A0 or Sata_A1 in IDE for Windows 98 and lets intel controller in AHCI mode and let all sata cables as they are? Here is picture which storage use which port.. Sintechi is Win 98 storage, WDC - need to stay on Asmedia controller too, becaue of Win XP GPT driver, which is not running on Intel controllers.
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Check pleas Safe mode. Windows 98 SE has inbuild DirectX 6, there media class it should codec or some middleware between code / application and soundcard driver. There is multiple possibility how to play a sound on Windows 98SE, one of them is DirectSound and thats part of DirectX, it thing that it is default one.
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Once again, its integrated onboard / inbuild i cant remove it.. Why Sata 0, its another catch of Sata patch? I wrote i would like to use Windows 98 on Asmedia controller (because i can set IDE for Amedia controler device only and use speed of Sata on other devices for other OSes ), on Intel is already working, only Asmedia has C: writing problem.
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i would say too modern..
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Thanks, i dont mind, im too old for it.. on nvidia forum they are just you guys, which should have every modern stuff include last windows update and reinstalling every week to one more FPS probably. So prolem is that i can get into Microsoft Basic Display Adapter device, i have always in device manager right second (primary /older) GPU name and vga driver used.. I did really much more experiments with Windows 7 and there should be something like Windows 7 trial, i installed it, but i situation was the same, but i dont feel comfortable or how say it with it.. Regardless i would like to see Microsoft basic adapters drivers details, which inf etc is used.
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Just reminder, im still tuned..
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Win 98x command.com black screen, IPS LCD refresh rate problem?
ruthan replied to ruthan's topic in Windows 9x/ME
Can someone pleas check command.com with other Nvidia cards and their drivers / monitors? I know to know which configuration should be avoided and which are ok. -
New pictures: USB Composite Device errors are NTKERN.VXD Code 2 - loader could not load device driver. Update: Even all unknow devices could be manually detected as Intel devices with 2017 driver.. But i wonder why they arent detect during installation, i just copied new infs, should i also deleted the old ones?
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I tried to stress my memory but its hollow.. try old Logitech stuff and search on drivers guide for webcam drivers with Win98 fiter.. There are were webcams even i ancient times, they were for rich bastards, but they were.. I remember some episode of Computer chronicles with them, BTW great retro second / third monitor stuff..
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Hello, i have great old installation with one flaw and its problem with adding new audio devices. I have compared working and not working systems and only difference which i could find is missing Microsoft streaming service proxy. In this installation i once, cleaned all device manager in safe mode in include all virtual audio devices.. and im not able to reinstall this one, i tried to all multimedia tree of add new hardware wizard all other virtual audio devices are there but not this one. This one is somehow related to DirectX, because in system drivers folder is migrate folder, where are *.inf and files for this device and tried all thi ksfilter.inf files load through i have a disc for hardware addition, but these devices even when its name is these inf files, are never listed, only some game devices as joystick are listed.. I was somehow able to fix this problem by install of some PCI audio device, but its not ideal i have board without PCI slots and need USB audio make to work. So question is there some way how reistall Microsoft streaming proxy audio device without PCI audio card installation? I have installed clean Windows 98 USB instalattion + USB drivers and connected USB audio and Streaming proxy is already there with original DirectX 6. I have tried to install varios versions of DirectX, problem is still there. Pictures from clean installation (device is visible only in Safe mode):
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Ok i tested it, result almost fine, but not without issues. Probably because of setup /p i parameters (i wonder could it be combined with other switches?, i didnt use others for this installation) , more devices were detected, even PCI bus and IDE controlelrs, videocard, but only again with generic names, any specific Intel XXX (but devices has 1-06-2015 driver date, so LoneCrusades inf are used).. I copied infs to windows installation inf folder, removed PCI bus and added it back, but its still the same. Once again i had to change IRQ for COM1 device from IRQ 4 to 3 to, to make USB controller start. USB 3.5, i have problem to locate USBD.SYS, during installation its copied somewere but dialog is so quick that i dont know where.. I can extract installation package with 7zip as in case NUSB3.6, was i cant copy file to right place.. I scanned whole disc, include archives for this file, but except original file(alter nUSB3.5 installation) -06/08/2000) and file in USP3 - 3.56 (01/04/2001) i didnt find any. There 5 USB PCI unknow devices, none recognized automatically.. But they are detected manually by Device manager driver search, now im testing them. Update: Controllers are detected fine, but there some problem with hubs and devices, devices are detected but after reboot there is freeze, related to PCIto PCI bridge enumerating.. I wonder if install MB with /p i to ingore AHCI, its that reason for not working automatic shutdown, could it be fixed, or its Nvidia 7950GT problem (i still have only VGA driver for it). Right from family album, sorry for blurriness : Exclamation mark - there is a message that BIOS dont assign IRQ to device.
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You could spend whole life on quest on eliminate other possibilities (unlikely), im using lots of software, i think that i did enough testing, as i said your patches require too much user maintenance or involvement, they could be more automated /"intelligent" / polished from my point of view. Im sure that with my AMD970 is met so bug it the patches, would bet on it significant sum.. Back from philosophical software development differences, where we can agree to disagree.. Technical stuff: - I managed to get USB working, by changing IRQ for one serial port from 4 to 3, that Bios is probably very bad except 32 bit 920 MB problem, there virtual devices for 2 COM port and LPT and when i checked board manual didnt find any headers for them. Now i need to wait for Win98 compatible PCI-E sound or PCI-E NIC, or PCI-E to PCI bridge arrival, all of these are on the way.. Otherwise i have my classic no audio device problem, which is connected with this cloned installation. I managed to get USB audio device to work as recording device but not as playback device.. It look that i need some Microsoft streaming proxy virtual device (its somehow connected with DirectX(reinstalled too)) installed, i found in which *.inf file it is not, when i point Add hardware wizard to this file this device is not listed. There to main possibilities how it would be fixed - by installation of proper PCI/PCI-E soundcard and its removal, or by removal all virtual audio devices from safe mode device manager, i fixed it two times on other machine, but i hard to tell exact how to its fixable. I found only this about proxy is only device in audio devices list between working and nonworking system, but problem could be elsewhere in the system and didnt all device removal, because some were already installed, because i will need complete remove and resetup. https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa940090(v=winembedded.5).aspx?ranMID=24542&ranEAID=XdSn0e3h3*k&ranSiteID=XdSn0e3h3.k-yaC1zUqYsXWgm2KpwxgBSw&tduid=(2ccf26a1c3ef28063ad6064259dd8a72)(256380)(2459594)(XdSn0e3h3.k-yaC1zUqYsXWgm2KpwxgBSw)()
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I also need to say, that i dont have any device in M2 slot, so its active regardless of it. force M2-PCIE 0 0 0: 8086:0c00 1849:0c00 0600 00 06 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0: 8086:0c01 0000:0000 0604 00 06 0 0 10100 2000e0e0 f700f600 f1f1e001 0 Bridge 0 1 1: 8086:0c05 0000:0000 0604 00 06 0 0 20200 f0 fff0 1fff1 0 Bridge 0 1 2: 8086:0c09 0000:0000 0604 00 06 0 0 30300 200000f0 f730f730 1fff1 0 Bridge 0 22 0: 8086:8cba 1849:8cba 0780 00 00 f7429004 0 0 0 0 0 0 10b 0 25 0: 8086:15a1 1849:15a1 0200 00 00 f7400000 f7427000 f021 0 0 0 0 104 0 26 0: 8086:8cad 1849:8cad 0c03 20 00 f7426000 0 0 0 0 0 0 10b 0 27 0: 8086:8ca0 1849:1151 0403 00 00 f7420004 0 0 0 0 0 0 10b 0 28 0: 8086:8c90 0000:0000 0604 00 d0 0 0 40400 200000f0 fff0 1fff1 0 Bridge 0 28 3: 8086:8c96 0000:0000 0604 00 d0 0 0 50500 2000d0d0 f720f720 1fff1 0 Bridge 0 28 6: 8086:8c9c 0000:0000 0604 00 d0 0 0 60600 200000f0 f710f710 1fff1 0 Bridge 0 29 0: 8086:8ca6 1849:8ca6 0c03 20 00 f7425000 0 0 0 0 0 0 10a 0 31 0: 8086:8cc4 1849:8cc4 0601 00 00 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 31 2: 8086:8c80 1849:8c80 0101 8f 00 f091 f081 f071 f061 f051 f041 0 203 0 31 3: 8086:8ca2 1849:8ca2 0c05 00 00 f7424004 0 0 0 f001 0 0 305 1 0 0: 10de:13c2 1462:3160 0300 00 a1 f6000000 e000000c 0 f000000c 0 e001 f7000000 10b 1 0 1: 10de:0fbb 1462:3160 0403 00 a1 f7080000 0 0 0 0 0 0 20a 3 0 0: 1b21:1242 1b21:1242 0c03 30 00 f7300004 0 0 0 0 0 0 105 5 0 0: 1b21:0611 1849:0611 0101 85 02 d041 d031 d021 d011 d001 f7200000 0 103 6 0 0: 1b21:1142 1849:1142 0c03 30 00 f7100004 0 0 0 0 0 0 105 force Sata 0 0 0: 8086:0c00 1849:0c00 0600 00 06 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0: 8086:0c01 0000:0000 0604 00 06 0 0 10100 2000e0e0 f700f600 f1f1e001 0 Bridge 0 1 1: 8086:0c05 0000:0000 0604 00 06 0 0 20200 f0 fff0 1fff1 0 Bridge 0 1 2: 8086:0c09 0000:0000 0604 00 06 0 0 30300 200000f0 f730f730 1fff1 0 Bridge 0 22 0: 8086:8cba 1849:8cba 0780 00 00 f7429004 0 0 0 0 0 0 10b 0 25 0: 8086:15a1 1849:15a1 0200 00 00 f7400000 f7427000 f021 0 0 0 0 104 0 26 0: 8086:8cad 1849:8cad 0c03 20 00 f7426000 0 0 0 0 0 0 10b 0 27 0: 8086:8ca0 1849:1151 0403 00 00 f7420004 0 0 0 0 0 0 10b 0 28 0: 8086:8c90 0000:0000 0604 00 d0 0 0 40400 200000f0 fff0 1fff1 0 Bridge 0 28 3: 8086:8c96 0000:0000 0604 00 d0 0 0 50500 2000d0d0 f720f720 1fff1 0 Bridge 0 28 6: 8086:8c9c 0000:0000 0604 00 d0 0 0 60600 200000f0 f710f710 1fff1 0 Bridge 0 29 0: 8086:8ca6 1849:8ca6 0c03 20 00 f7425000 0 0 0 0 0 0 10a 0 31 0: 8086:8cc4 1849:8cc4 0601 00 00 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 31 2: 8086:8c80 1849:8c80 0101 8f 00 f0f1 f0e1 f0d1 f0c1 f0b1 f0a1 0 203 0 31 3: 8086:8ca2 1849:8ca2 0c05 00 00 f7424004 0 0 0 f001 0 0 305 0 31 5: 8086:8c88 1849:8c88 0101 85 00 f091 f081 f071 f061 f051 f041 0 203 1 0 0: 10de:13c2 1462:3160 0300 00 a1 f6000000 e000000c 0 f000000c 0 e001 f7000000 10b 1 0 1: 10de:0fbb 1462:3160 0403 00 a1 f7080000 0 0 0 0 0 0 20a 3 0 0: 1b21:1242 1b21:1242 0c03 30 00 f7300004 0 0 0 0 0 0 105 5 0 0: 1b21:0611 1849:0611 0101 85 02 d041 d031 d021 d011 d001 f7200000 0 103 6 0 0: 1b21:1142 1849:1142 0c03 30 00 f7100004 0 0 0 0 0 0 105
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Things are getting even more interesting (complicated) with Y cable + PS2 switches. For example my Conroe machine need to have PS2 switch devices assigned during boot, otherwise its not working. even without Y cable..
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I know, i can only say that free things are better.. even if you dont care about money, you could just copy them, send them, modify them, without thinking overhead.. You RAM patch is probably better solution, when it is working, so for best of best solution, make probably sense.. But im quite happy with 1024 MB and i not capable enough to point some pontential issues to himem.exe (i dont know anything like Event viewer for Win98 and im not friedly with Windows 9x on lowlever driver or Hardware level.) 2 intel controller ok, i will post the logs.. Give me a minute.. In other thread we are already talking + have my X99 scan pci log with M.2 slot , maybe it depends on vendors implementation. Check it pleas.