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Ok, my GB 170 MB ACPI bios seems to be fixed, at least all other issues seems to be ok, but Aureal Vortex 1 sound with PAE patch is still broken, in 32 bit with ACPI mode its still ok, KVM what could input, output isssue? I experimented with Unraid for while, its KVM, QEMU based and this was nightmare..

Heureka, WinXP are back on menu boys! With new non-alternative Z170 Bios file, WinXP browsers etc.. are fully working, even with PAE 4+ GB patch. Daniel, you are great! Could you pleas do same black magic for my Z370 MB bios?

VIA USB3 was tested on M B with fully working ACPI. Aureal Vortex 1, was tested on patched Z170 ACPI BIOS, but we found some issues, it could be one of them, but probably not, because in 32bit mode it working fine and problem is only in 64 bit mode and there are not conflicts in device manager. Are you really using it? Or you only thing that is good? You know, lots of people try it for moment, or see some pro Linux video, which is ignoring some flaws etc.. I suppose that GPU passthrough is working, because i case mainly about games? Its monitor picture output handling solved, or you need on passthrough GPU connected to its own monitor / monitor input and switching them? Can i passthrough to WinXP virtual primary GPU and use it for system after guest is shutdown? Need i 2 gpus to make it working? What about performance impact for gaming are somewhere some comparisions of KVM and physical machine? What about USB mouse and keyboard - has they should be dedicated from boot for specific guest, so i need 2 keyboards, 2 mice etc? I they could be passthrough to virtual and back - like in Vmware workstation? How big is list of KVM Win XP issues in comparision with physical machines, is there somewhing broken? Some additional bugs or not?

Sorry, i maybe didnt mention it here, but i did in thread where i described my problems, i tried clean installation with already patched bios.. in ACPI mode and problems are exactly the same. So classic solution.. if something in not working in Windows.. reinstall it, is not working for this. its persistent. But, i dont have reason doubt that way how to switch between ACPI no ACPI through boot.ini is described above is working. Because you are only one, whose is able to edit Bios, and have knowledge how to do it and what you changed, is almost impossible to help you discover where can by problem my 2 Gigabyte board.. it could be very complicated, it could be some typo, i can only say that with old version on your Bioses, there i have these strange issues with my machines and it in MPS mode are they are gone. BTW: Its possible on this MB, somehow in Bios completly disable Intel USB3 controller? Some MB has such option, but here i dont see that, ale there are only sub options.

Ok and how to setup system to never go to standby? It enough just setup not power down discs or there are other / better way?

Ok, i tested Z170 in MPS mode and all problematic application which are not working in ACPI mode are now working, what is also good that change could be done just without stupid reinstallation, by copy 2 files and add new line to boot.ini. For Multiprocessor MPS: multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP 32bit Professional MPS,NOACPI" /kernel=ntkrnlmp.exe /hal=halmps.dll /fastdetect Final solution would be fix acpi mode too and find out why its broken with it on newer chipset - its probably more than that ACPI table, or that table new some tuning.. I still didnt tested new Daniels bioses.. But i thing that is time to disscuss, what are disadvantages of using of MPS mode instead of ACPI, i already new this: - not automatic shutdown - worse on not at all Power managment - its keep adding stupid expected legacy pc devices to system as PS2 keyboard, mouse and Floppy drive, even when there are in system, that was typical Win98 problem - there are some System devices with exclamation mark, which are ok in ACPI mode - Rayer is saying that in MPS mode would be probably problem to allocate all IRQ and Resources.. Update: I found this on Anandtech: You are losing a lot more than just the ability to software shutdown. The APM dual processor HAL also does not have the ability to address more than 16 IRQs that an SMP system provides. Most basic x86 SMP systems provide anywhere between 24 and 32 hardware IRQs. You have much faster performance because you have real problems when the ACPI HAL talks to a non-ACPI compliant BIOS. Im glad, that MB is not defective and i did not some stupid error on my side and that is really something from on MB bios / XP side..

Ok, i simulated some problem with Z370 MB with ACPI patched bios, when i run same installation in MPS mode, its working fine so its ACPI related. With Z170 in MPS mode, SDI tool driver download is now working, browsers too and Warcraft III demo speed is fine.. There are some negative MPS instead of ACPI machine type, but at least applications are working..

I managed to get boot with Z370 with these boot.ini settings (could you pleas check it if is right for ACPI machine with modern multicore CPU?): multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows ACPI" /noexecute=AlwaysOff /fastdetect /KERNEL=ntkrpamp.exe /HAL=Halmacpi.dll But im not really sure if it is right.. Because: 1) Processor is still MPS 2) Some HW devices were redetected, but it keep me adding PS/2 mouse and PS/2 keyboard which are not present - as not working devices 3) Between System devices is lots of devices with ACPI in name.. 4) I have experience same Google Chrome and other browsers problem as on Z170 im quite sure that on this machine it was ok, i keep experiment if it will work with my normal boot.ini line, or its because of patched Bios from Daniel.. Btw for 64 bit im using this line and patch from Dibya - i dunno who is original author, which is not working with this machine: multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft WinXP PAE" /BOOTLOG /kernel=ntkl64g.exe /hal=hal64g.dll /fastdetect /PAE /noexecute=alwaysoff I suppose that it is for ACPI multiprocessor only? I nowhere see multiple version of it.. Update: When i boot with my old boot.ini line: multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft WinXP NO PAE" /BOOTLOG /fastdetect Machine was installed in Multi MPS mode, so i guess that im using that hal + kernel files. Here is files package with my hal and kernels, i not really sure which one is used as default, where is not defined in boot.ini line: https://www.dropbox.com/s/8ie5rxu9ut5ajh8/OriginalKernels.7z?dl=0 , Google and browsers etc.. are fine, there are not ACPI devices in Device manager, but there are that exclamation marks, for Intel PCI Express Root port #1 #17 and #7 + 2 brigdes im quite sure that i was fixed with fixed Daniel bios, can i somewhow check if still using it, if old original bios wasnt recovered from second dual bios rom? Conclusion: It really seems that ACPI boot mode at least on Z170/Z370 causing that not working browsers problems and poor Warcraft III demo performance a probably lots of other so far not discovered problems.. i tried classical benchmarks like - Unigine heaven or Geekbench 2 are there seems to work fine.. If you have some tip what to test, just tell me.. but i would rather fix this issue for all..

@daniel_k Thanks very much, could you describe that modification any further? That is different in basic and alternative version? Stand by doent work - does it means if that if computer will try to go stand by - it will freeze, or just will not go never to stand by, other power saving will be still working? I mean if CPU and MB will go on everything on max, or not. Perhaps if you would have the knowledge how to do it, someone can try even fix standby.. That problem is not dependent on that PAE hacks, its broken some in vanilla 32 bit XP. Otherwise, Rayer suggested to try MB without ACPI, if such problem would be still there aby using other HAL and kernel files.. I will try it. I tried it too for Z370, but i only replaced hal, i did not know that i need other kernel file.. there is some info: https://forums.techguy.org/threads/solved-acpi-multiprocessor-pc-v-standard-pc.912216/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ntoskrnl.exe https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/previous-versions/windows/it-pro/windows-server-2003/cc781362(v=ws.10) As far as i undestand it, i can just copy mutiple start files to Windows\System32 directory and by boot.ini select which one i would to use for boot. I looked on XP cd there are these, in i386\Driver.cab: ntkrnlmp.exe ntkrnlpa.exe ntkrpamp.exe ntoskrnl.exe I also not fully understand which files is for ACPI and which are not, if its tied up.. And in my Windows\System32 i see a bit different named files at least on Z370 machine: ntkpaold.exe - some old version of something ntkrnlmp.exe - its multiprocessor but not ACPI? ntkrnlpa.exe - A as ACPI? ntkrnlup.exe - Uniprocessor no ACPI? ntkrnold.exe - some version of something ntkrpamp.exe - multiprocessor with ACPI? ntkrpaup.exe - uniprocessor ACPI? ntoskrnl.exe - ? I also dunno if there are modified by some later WIndows updates, and if yes, where to find newer version for all 4 modes.. For hal*dll its like this: HAL File Copied Computer Description in Device Manager Halmacpi.dll ACPI Multiprocessor PC Halaacpi.dll ACPI Uniprocessor PC Halacpi.dll Advanced Configuration and Power Interface (ACPI) PC Halmps.dll MPS Multiprocessor PC Halapic.dll MPS Uniprocessor PC Hal.dll Standard PC Halsp.dll Compaq SystemPro Multiprocessor or 100% Compatible

Im experimenting with PAE patched XP, for quite long time, some drivers are not compabitle with it (but there are fine in 32bit mode), except of boot BSoD where im not sure what causes it, i have found that these cards are not compabitle, pleas report others: - VIA USB3 controlles with 8xx chipsets - there is some exclamation mark in device manager, that driver cant start - Aureal Vortex 1 - device manager is fine, but all sounds are broken - MB with Gigabyte MBs with Z370 chipset, its working only with no ACPI boot - Multiprocessor MPS mode because of broken Bios ACPI table and i pae patch is for ACPI, i dunn know if there is no ACPI MPS patch available.

I tried lots of this with that gigabyte z170-hd3 and XP, but internet browsers still refuse to react on users actions, i made reinstall etc.. i dunno what is wrong, but it could that patched Bios and something wrong with it, or MB is defective, but i dont really understand why in Win7 and Linux is this working.. Details in most above, i tried lots of hardware in process.

I tried other cpu, its still the same, im out of ideas its mb feature, or half broken Mb or something wrong with acpi patched bios, even than in theory thte could exist some sw fix. Best test would be someone with same mb or get second one..

I have tried clean XP installation is still the same, so it has to be something wrong with: MB Bios CPU - i never used that Pentium G4400 slimer, i not find in bios classic disable core option, to check is problem in multithreading, there is some thread affinity options in Task manager but browsers open new thread quickly.. My guess is that is MB or Bios, but i cant be sure.

I missing one more utility something for screenshots: - ideally something what would be mapped on Printscreen key - will create *.png on filesystem - dont cause some application / game incompatibility I thin that is probably too much want about these: - 3D support - Direct3D / OpenGL / Glide - Same application name / or name *.exe in filename - same date and time in filename

I already tried AIDA64, im getting BSOD. Update: HWinfo 6 working for me, even for Z170 sensors, only cpu fan speed is detected as chassic fan speed, but maybe this error would be on modern OSes too..

I tried AMD 3450 PCIE videocard but problems are the same, so its some HW, BIOS issue or some nasty WIndows issues, any ideas are welcomed..

I tested Roadkill is working fine for HDD speed testing. Does someone knew which version of AIDA64 or working fine with Win98 even with Nvidia drivers? I will not reinstall drivers just for temperature monitoring or HW info. Last thing is there some FPS monitor alternative to Fraps for Win98? Or perhaps something with OSD HW temperature info like Afterburner for modern OS? Regarding of temperature monitoring what SW could be used for most even chipsets (i have Z170+Geforce6)?

Win98 issues with Z170 seems to fixed, but XP are still here and i tried lots of things.. But Warcraft III performance still sucks and no IE Browsers not respond on users actions after few clicks, on with 10-15 seconds delay. So i starting to wonder, if problem could be with patched Bios, or there is other HW/Bios level problem. Details are here:

I dont spam with it here, but im still trying to make Z170 working, i have very strange issues (no IE browsers very, very slow reponse on user actions, some 2-3s freezes in games ) even with XP (BTW PAE patch is working):

Hello, i have strange problems with new Z170, internet browser and Direct3D game(i tested only Wacraft III demo) are unsable i dunno why.. I tried to clean all registry and reinstall them, but it still the same. Problems summary: Now i consider, Win98 as ok. WinXP (last Nvidia 368.81 drivers, during installation get some not WHQL message, maybe there somehow broken.., i tried 365.19 too its the same) and AMD 3450 video card and issue are the same: - i have very strange browser behavior, there are not useful, except IE 8 is working without problems but its not useful for todays webs.. - Google chrome, Firefox.Opera,Mathon are not working properly Google chrome, its simply not react on mouse commands and other application windows started after have some rendering issues, when windows are moved., i got except closing and minimalization, not reaction on mouse commands at all, or very, very slow - 10-30 seconds.. Firefox51/52 is the same -- its the same very, very slow response on mouse / keyboard commands - 10-15 on click even in options.. Opera 28/36 - i can go some pages, but for example Msfn - when i got to msfn forum, just got error page. Windows update - downloading is strange there are 4% or 5% and its stuck or progress is very slow. SDI driver downloader is not able to download drivers. I tried USB LAN but is the same, clean installation is the same. - Warcraft III demo - once broken textures and models in.. - Warcraft III demo - i thing that machine is fast enough for 1600x1200 full details, but even in first Orc mission, i have 2-3 second machine freezes and animation speed or framerate is lots strange, like slowdowned, half a speed.. very often.. When i test the same with Win7, no freezes here. Even Win98 and slower Geforce 6200 i dont have such freezes. - When i run - autoruns - i no more see any drivers items in the list, it seems that it freeze in half of detection, i was here before i started some problems uninstallation, i dunno what is broken. - Diablo II shareware - i getting with Nvidia a Amd menu freeze. I tried to remove, Geforce 6200 and Vortex 1 from system, if there is not any colision, but i got nothing, im using some universal Realtek GB driver from 2018. I tried Browsers in Safe mode with networking, is the same. Quake III, Vampire Redemption OpenGL is fine, Unreal Tournament 99 is too fine, maybe there are very short freezes, but it would be like 100-200 ms, and ocassionally. Win7: - Windows 7 start - progress update stuck - 2 times. But after that at least 5 hours of usages these days without any problem. // Update: I found out that is some incompatibility with ASM Sata 106x external Sata controller in IDE mode, its other disk controller its ok. - Once i got not working on board network card - i boot and networking was not working, i reconnected cable, turn on / off switch, but still nothing, after restart it worked. Update: I not using Windows 7 too much now, but it seems fixed with new heatsink. Win 98: - Unreal Tournament - multiple times after 30-300 seconds of playing // Not tested after heatsink replaced, but it could be Geforce 6200 overheating, or other SW problem (i would bet on this). - Update: With new heatsink i can play whole 2 matches, without freeze, so i hoped that it is solution. - Quake III broken picture - OpenGL very strange picture and polygons. - Update with 77.xx drivers, there is only Geforce 6200 not Geforce 6200 Turbocache option and Quake III is running fine. Update2: With Geforce 6600 GT, Quake III is now ok, Unreal Tournament working with Direct3D and GLide (nGlide), but not with OpenGL - it can be such "feature" of this game. I dunno if fix was by Geforce 6600 GT instead of Geforce 6200 strange Turbocache feature (i as on Vogons Unreal Tournament demo Opengl is know as broken, there are some patches, but im not sure if they will wrong with demo), or because i used standard PCI.vxd instead rLoews patched version for Nvidia 512 MB Geforce 7 card. Linux - Mint 18.3 - so far any problem, but just using it for some googling and files copiying.. Before boot: Memtest86+ 5.01 - when i start multithread test by F2 - i got everytime test freeze - first 2 minutes of testing, even i press F1 for single thread testing its fine. I tried multiple memory sticks and ram speed its always the same. I tried same test on Ryzen 2200G machine and i got same freeze, maybe its this version of Memtest broken, or not compatbile with these machines. But i tried Passmarks Memtest86 and its running fine. Temperatures: - CPU is always under 50 C - HwInfo i thing its bug reports some Temperature 6 senzor - 94 C, but any other tools Aida, HWmonitoring reports all metrics (except Videocars) under 40C, so i thing its bug and is 94 F, not 94C. Used hardware: - CPU Intel G4400 cheapest CPU which i was able to get for testing (Ultra slimer, i hope that is not missing some needed instructions) - GPU - KalmX 730 GT 4 GB (DDR 5), i had not problem with it with other machines, some errors are there even if videocard is not under load.. - HDD - Seagate 500 GB - Aida / HWinfo report SMART values as fine, worked with other MB, i not for long time and no some long testing, but all seems to be fine. - Aureal Vortex 1 PCI sound card - tested with other machines - Silicon Image 680 PCI controller - but problem were appear even before i added it to system, and other controllers - Asmedia Sata 106x controller in IDE mode - - but problem were appear even before i added it to system, and other controllers - Geforce 6200 TurboCache, used only for Win98 and Dos - at least Memtest problem is not related to it, i removed this cards it was the same. - NEC / Renesas USB3 PCI-E controller, added later later problems, were already here I tried to exchange some HW to be some that problem is not with it: - I tried 2 Geforce 730 Gpus - I tried 2 different ram sticks - I tried different ram slots - Geforce 730 with DDR3 and 2GB VRAN - disable in Bios Realtek HD and Nvidia audio - disablde in Bios VT-d and High-precision timer, i ACPI 214-2019, realtek LAN, Enable Decode Above 4GB, i tried everything. - at least HW info CPU multithread test is running fine Which HW could be problem source expect MB: - CPU is not tested with other MB, its new one.. - Geforce 6200 Turbo Cache, newer was tested with other machines, for long time, - just for boot and it was fine. What is stable: Win7 - never got freeze in game, i tried at least Unreal Tournament III for 15,20 minutes.. WIn7: Unigine Valley was stable for 30 minutes. Boot - i never got freezing during boot, in exception of Win7 update installation, during boot process WinXP - Quake III demo WinXP - Unigine Heaven - Direct9 - its work fine Win7 - internet browsers are working fine Other clues: Linux, when i reboot to it, i see some senzor with value 56C - im not sure that it is but it could be MB, its heatsink is pretty small and clunky. // Heatsink replaced now i have 46C, but i dont im sure that is not source of WinXP problems.

I have 1 problem, my Z170 have some booting problem if some HW is changed, it constantly resets, until bios is recovered.. and it seems that unpached bios is recovered, because of dual bios feature, is there way how to force, that patched bios to both dual bios roms?

It would be nice, to make list of NVME driver with in Build bios and boards which can recognize NVME drivers in CSM mode..

Ok i flashed Z170 MB with patched ACPI bios, and tried to boot, i tried multiple of Sata controllers PCI/PCI-E but i always got blue screen quick reboot, i im not sure about message, but i thing that it was something else that before patching - ACPI error.. I know that that bluescreen reset could be disabled, but i was lazy and just tried that Asmedia Sata controller with IDE bios and managed to get XP.. So far there are not any PCI-E bridges with conflicts reported.. Only MB devices names are very generic.. Is there some Intel INF package for Z170? Btw, someone claims that is able to boot XP from NVM drive: http://reboot.pro/topic/21812-community-ofa-nvme-15-storport-miniport-for-windows-server-2003-r2-sp2/

I tried this booting parameters, but i got WinXP starting logo, progress bar - bar was moving for few seconds, but after that just black screen and nothing, i havent time to test safe mode. Is pae switch necessary just for switching to ACPI? Its that /KERNEL=NTKRNLPA.EXE parameter default or for PAE too? Because there is something wrong with PAE mod on this HW its not working with PAE patch even in MPS mode. I this other issue, now i need to make working 32 bit mode fine.. I have found some info for it: https://forums.techguy.org/threads/solved-acpi-multiprocessor-pc-v-standard-pc.912216/ Im not sure if there should be ntkrpamp.exe instead of ntkrnlpa.exe ..

I can confirm, that with Z370 its update bios working with MPS mode, so fixed bios flash doenst broke boooting process that is great, in next step i will try to boot in ACPI mode. Are you sure that is HW thing? I have bad memory, but i thing that i have Asmedia Sata controller, which could be flashed with both IDE and AHCI Bioses..