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OK everyone, take a deep breath and calm down. All new members of MSFN, or any other forum for that matter, should be treated with respect, and not have their initial contributions considered to be ignorant or naive. People come to forums like this to learn. As the strap line says here, "Where People Go To Know". As to whether this forum is 'obscure', I would venture that all technical forums are 'obscure' by their very nature, compared with the mass market options of social media. That does not make them any less valuable for those who choose to use them.

Here's part of what @VistaLover wrote recently about NM 27 vs. 28. Actually this was in the context of discussing why we were getting so many NM 27 updates:

Agreed. I wasn't casting aspersions on the user for asking - that was the right thing to do. Just pointing out that the question does come up a lot, and will probably continue to do so. Rather than a long response, it would probably be easiest to beef up the FAQ with links to one of @VistaLover's detailed replies on those two topics. I wouldn't use it, but it (and its sister K-Meleon) are more lightweight than current UXP browsers, so they might be reasonable "first browser" choices on older hardware where UXP is unacceptably slow. If it fails to render a site properly you could always fire up Serpent, go make a cup of coffee, drink it....

A much more fundamental problem is the seemingly lost ability to carry out in-depth research in a forum before asking questions whose answer is actually easy to find. Presumably because it's more convenient that way. And who wants to go through four threads with 200 pages each and then this one here with the help of the forum search?

Yeah, but it's minus 0.23% because I didn't buy anything from them this year, too.

It's because the driver branch is higher than 344. (R343) This one is branch R346. Abd don't worry about Physx, it will work. 347.26 - Branch [r346_00-270] https://forums.guru3d.com/threads/geforce-icafe-347-26-whql-driver.396457/

In short, yes. New Moon 28 is an UXP browser and a port of the current Pale Moon browser. Therefore, it has a lot of more modern features. Read here for more information: https://msfn.org/board/topic/185966-my-browser-builds-part-5/?do=findComment&comment=1258498

It's a very well known issue with all nVidia drivers after 347.xx and old motherboards. https://forums.guru3d.com/threads/gtx-560-point-of-view-games-crash-with-drivers-newer-than-347-88.441449/

The link you provided does not answer my question!

Forum search functions generally suck - not just ours but every one I've ever tried. What would be really helpful is Bing's new AI search - just type in the question, et voila! But you have to be running Edge to use it and if you're able to do that, you probably aren't interested in NM 27 or 28!

By the same logic, the question about the difference between Serpent 52 and Serpent 55 should be addressed in the FAQ, too. Seriously though, easy, he's new to this forum, no need to go harsh. The user could have tried NM27 and NM28 by himself and know the differences, but he asked from early instead to know the differences.

New York Autoshow COMES TO A HALT as Climate Activists splash OIL onto Electric Ford Truck during car parade. “NO ELECTRIC VEHICLES ON A DEAD PLANET” action against Electric vehicles https://www.autoshowny.com/ https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1774078145383059456/pu/vid/avc1/1280x720/48ZjsCDLmSlaqUXy.mp4

This happens to me all the time, and very often I don't know what the actual problem is. The forum post editor is a disease. And this untenable situation has existed for months now. Thanks for posting additional information about my mod! However, the cited post of mine is unfortunately misleading and should be still replaced by the corrected one. Otherwise, someone could think the updating over an existing installation (1.16.4.32 or 1.16.4.33) of uBlock Origin Legacy would also work which is of course not the case. The manual updating over an existing installation of my mod will only work in terms of the internal list of all offered filter lists (assets.json) starting with version 1.16.4.34 and above. After installing this internal list from version 1.16.4.34, it will then be updated automatically in the future. Anyway! Thanks again for spreading the news!

@Felipefpl Use the filter list "AdGuard Base" from the group "Ads"! This will prevent the detection of uBlock Origin Legacy on the website www.ovagames.com. I have just tested it successfully.

I don't buy Windows in any form anymore. It will drive them to bankruptcy. And I'm still waiting for nVidia to drive off the cliff since I don't buy anything from them since 2013.

Duh, please stop making it look like a big problem, I am tired of arguments being ignited everywhere. Can't peace be an option for once?

Whom exactly do you call "inhospitable"? I don't think @Dave-H and @Tripredacus would agree with such labelling of MSFN, I'm asking you [very politely] for the 3579692369239298 time, please don't try to ignite hostilities over and over again. Everyone here is having a nice chat. Quoting your off-topic attack in full, just in case.

You're welcome. When it comes to successfully blocking content using uBlock Origin Legacy, it is very often a question of the right filter list or self-created rule. A sensible combination of enabled filter lists is very important to successfully block whatever you want to and to keep the memory usage of the used browser as low as possible. This is one of the reasons why I have implemented additional filter lists in my mod and will do so even in the next releases.

AstroSkipper - i tried adguard and it worked, thanks for your hint.

Ok!? Is it not possible to edit posts in the Pale Moon forum afterwards? I only know this from the Malwarebytes forum. I personally hate such restrictions.

Wait a minute, I just realized, it says "...because the site uses a security protocol which isn't enabled." Does that mean the protocol exists but is not enabled by default? Also I may have found your problem: https://github.com/rn10950/RetroZilla/issues/47

What is the difference between Palemoon 28 and Palemoon 27 for Windows XP - https://rtfreesoft.blogspot.com/search/label/newmoon? Does Palemoon 28 support and show new, modern sites better than Palemoon 27?

latest dev build included upstream's fix for this, just too late for today's release. it should be fixed in next build.

It's never safe, any build can break it. Right now other users have reported things working on 26090 and that's all we know. There is a new feature flag called DisableWin10Taskbar that's enabled by default. SAB 3.7.7 bypasses this but we don't know if this means the classic taskbar will be removed soon and if so what can be done to replace it.

This one. GPU Name GK208B GPU Variant GK208-203-B1 Architecture Kepler 2.0 https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-gt-710.c1990

Epson All-in-One ET-16650 printer and scanner, A3 format. As sold new 03-2024. The currently offered drivers still work fine in Windows XP SP3 x86, for both printing and scanning. Tested through Ethernet connection. No tweaks or hacks necessary. Unbelievable...

I asked the director of our big PC store about the sales, he said: "it's the same, basically". People still buy lots of PCs with the OS already preinstalled, esp. laptops. German Fujitsu Notebook LIFEBOOK U7613, their ultra-light LIFEBOOK U9413, LIFEBOOK U9313X (ultra-light, silver-white convertible) are very popular here, they come Windows 11 Pro already installed.

Oh, sorry, indeed, how could I?!

No, it's misspelt.

It was a joke. Clearly, the title is misspelled, not to mention the overall misleading, clickbait style name of the topic and improper, poor English grammar. No articles to support that "theory", nothing.

Install the extension SQLite Manager 0.8.3.1 from the Classic Add-ons Archive! This extension can manage sqlite files such as your webappsstore.sqlite inside New Moon. BTW, my file is only about 12 MB. With SQLite Manager 0.8.3.1, you can view all entries, add new ones, edit or delete old ones. My webappsstore.sqlite files in different profiles are of different sizes from 96 KB up to 12 MB.

Install the extension SQLite Manager 0.8.3.1 from the Classic Add-ons Archive! This extension can manage sqlite files such as your webappsstore.sqlite inside New Moon. BTW, my file is only about 12 MB.

Of course Vista, what kind of question is that? Better title's name would be smth like "Why Windows Vista is so good?" XP is an OS from another era, hard to compare at all.

Between those two, one simply needs to choose the older release (TITAN X PASCAL), to get much better driver performance with Vista.

It kind of depends on whether one uses my unofficial modded drivers or not. Pascal on Vista is quite possible if one follows my tutorial on the installation.

Fortunately, that one has been salvaged by crx4chrome : https://www.crx4chrome.com/crx/299038/

As an addendum to my previous post, Mozilla do host (on GitHub) "on-line" editions of their PDF.js lib, one targeting "current" browser engines: https://mozilla.github.io/pdf.js/web/viewer.html and another targeting "legacy" browser engines: https://mozilla.github.io/pdf.js/legacy/web/viewer.html Neither of the two works on Ch86/87-based browsers (and on St52) to display the "C0801E.pdf" file, https://mozilla.github.io/pdf.js/legacy/web/viewer.html?file=https://storage.enganchesaragon.com/public-websites/ecommerce/Inst/C0801E.pdf https://mozilla.github.io/pdf.js/web/viewer.html?file=https://storage.enganchesaragon.com/public-websites/ecommerce/Inst/C0801E.pdf while BOTH do when loaded in Ch121-based latest Supermium-v121-hf ... Yes, the browsers "we" use here are more "legacy" than what Mozilla even thought of ...

... Indeed ; as the web console portion of the first image I posted previously reveals, the "enganchesaragon.com" site are self-hosting v3.0.279 of the pdf.js library; according to the GitHub repo for it, tag 3.0.279 was cut on 2022-10-29 ; ... The library inside the latest Serpent 52 build is of version "1.7.348-git-754c4bd", committed on 2017-03-04, i.e. 5 1/2 yrs older (!) ... It would then seem that v3.0.279 (from 2022) requires platform features not fully compatible with UXP ... I'm uncertain as to how to proceed to find the version of the pdf.js (equivalent) lib inside 360EEv13.5 and/or KMB; Chrome 86 stable was released on 2020-10-06, 87 stable on 2020-11-17; Google probably don't use the same lib Mozilla maintain ; as discussion here has proved already, Ch86/87 (autumn of 2020) don't support the much "younger" Mozilla pdf.js v3.0.279, that came two years after those browsers were released... After my analysis, one "probable" answer why "enganchesaragon.com" choose to self-host an instance of the Mozilla PDF.js lib to display the PDF files "they" serve is: "They" prefer it over the native-PDF-viewer implementation on users' (mostly Chrome-based) browsers... Don't know what else to think of ...

... Couldn't agree more ; but, "no sense" is probably only "applicable" to frequenters of these threads, on "legacy" browser engines ; I can assure you that the web designers of that Spanish site did NOT, even for a mere second, think of "backwards compatibility" ; they're probably "trained" to expect each and every eventual user of their service to be running the latest Chrome/Firefox/Safari, where the original "issue" you reported (and generated many additional posts here) is simply non-existent - it works right away and the user "there" doesn't notice any issue; he/she just moves on with the browsing; the comparison between "sensical" and "non-sensical" never crosses his/her mind ... It is us here inside the MSFN "older OS" forums who harbour a mentality of being "the centre of the IT universe", whereas, in fact, we're just one dying old star which has practically extinguished all of its fusion-able material ...

FWIW, there's nothing "standard" about NM27 here ; to add to what Mathwiz has posted: "Pale Moon" is an upstream browser application, which has a GUI from the pre-Australis Fx era; also, members here must understand the distinction between platform and application (Mozilla are the ones to blame for this confusion, because they had equated the Mozilla platform, not used solely by Fx, to their main browser, Firefox) ... When PM was at its major version 27 (did not support XP, Vista support was rudimentary), the platform it was built on was called Tycho, a fork of the Mozilla ESR 38 platform - the browser engine of PM27 was called Goanna version 3. The roytam1 fork derived from PM27 was/is New Moon 27 (NM27) ; as the web became more-and-more Googl-ised , PM27/Tycho started being crippled at loading many popular sites, so "upstream" (MCP) abandoned the Tycho platform and moved on, first to UXP Take 1 (aka Moebius), forked from a Mozilla 53.0a1 platform snapshot, and soon after to UXP Take 2 (just UXP now), forked from Mozilla ESR 52[.6] platform; PM27 became PM28; Pale Moon is currently at v33.0, but it's still built on UXP; both the paltform (UXP) and the browser application (PM) are being developed independently from Mozilla/Firefox... When upstream (MCP) abandoned Tycho (and PM27), roytam1 chose to keep his forked platform and browser (NM27) for the sake of Win2k/XP users on very old H/W, that doesn't support the SSE2+ instruction set ; as of this writing, NM27 and its browser engine, Goanna 3, is being "updated" based on a new "upstream", the developer (rmottola) behind the Artic-Fox project; this project aims to develop a (semi-)usable browser on old Macs, unsupported by Apple and the mainstream browser vendors; the project strives to "uplift" the browser from a Mozilla 38 platform snapshot (like in PM27/Tycho) to more recent versions, hence the large number of weekly updates (there's a lot of catching-up to do when you're still at a Fx mid-40s level) ... Also, Arctic-Fox isn't New Moon 27, hence several bugs that plague the latter are being reported by (the few?) NM27 users... To put it bluntly, I have now no need for this fork, because its web-compatibility is severely impaired in 2024; in addition to that, Roy is publishing SSE-compatible builds of NM28+St52, so if your old H/W can cope, it's advisable you use these instead of NM27... NM27 has inherited from PM27 a "status-4-ever" internal component, but as the platform is being updated by rmottola to Fx43+, this component has been partially BROKEN, breaking with it several download-related functions/extensions/userstyles/userscripts etc.; I have kept, for archival purposes, a NM27 build from 20220812, which seems to be the last with no such issues... As for NM28 (and St52), this is being updated mostly by backporting MCP code, especially in the platform aspect of it, and occasionally PM-specific (and Bk-specific) code is also being backported; and don't let the appVersion (28) confuse you ; Roy, for reasons he has explained in the past, decided to "freeze" the major version at 28, but latest NM28 embeds platform code to be found even in the latest PM33 "official" release ...

Then it's advisable to articulate what is it exactly you want the developer to do. Write only the technical details, without additional, emotional soap, then tag win32 so he could check the request. Obviously, tag only when it's really needed. Thanks. Don't forget to include pics of how you want it to be. The same is when reporting issues. Example. https://msfn.org/board/topic/185045-supermium/?do=findComment&comment=1259636

I'm not blind, no need for caps lock. This could've been phrased in one request/sentence, I'm not shutting you off, I'm just making it easier for the developer to read. No need to write millions of huge posts here, just my opinion. No need to tell the developer of Supermium how good 360, PenPal, or whatever you use is/are.

How any of this related to Supermium!??!??!? Folks, let's not inflate this important topic, thanks in advance.

Perhaps you wanted to say ONE BROWSER WON'T EVER PLEASE EVERYONE? Anyways, I can't really imply Supermium is that slower, yes it feels slower, but not the point of being a total " slow-a$$".

@win32 Supermium error "The data area passed to a system call is too small", this happens each time when I add my usual amount of flags. The message comes from Supermium's executable. Sometimes it simply won't start, unless I reduce the flags amount. https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/explorerexe-error-the-data-area-passed-to-a-system/aed7b89e-0fc3-4f2b-b354-2c3898e93eeb

Could simply mean they both are bright.

Thank you for the test, the same for me.

Oh, thank goodness! You have no idea how often I have the need to watch 3 videos at the same time!! </snark>