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He's right , v13 (any version from the 13th series) is very RAM hungry . If I open one (1) page at MSFN , let's say the main page , it uses way over 1GB of RAM ! I have only basic extensions , like uBlock and dark mode. If I add noscript and the such , it will go even higher . If I allow ads on MSFN (which I sometimes do) , it may go up to 1.5 GB and even more ! On the other hand , those other old versions are obsolete . Can't do shopping with them. Slow youtube , terrible scrolling at IG and Twitter. Again , v.13 works cool , but you gotta have 16GB of RAM , or 8 (bare minimum). P.S. Wanted to be clear , 1 - 1.5 GB for the browser alone , not the whole system. The system would be at 3-3.5 or something like that.

Skins have zero "perceptable" difference on GUI load time. The differences we are talking about are only 0.006 to 0.011 seconds. The human eye cannot process visual data faster than 60 frames per second. 0.006 seconds is basically 167 frames per second and 0.011 seconds is basically 91 frames per second. The GUI load time difference needs to exceed 0.017 seconds before the human eye can process the visual difference. And that would be the eyesight of a professional baseball player that can see the spin of a 90mph fastball. The rest of us are lucky to detect 40 frames per second and that puts the GUI load time difference way up at 0.024 seconds - more than TWICE our worst-case measurement. For reference, video data is generally 24 frames per second and while there has been Massachusetts Institute of Technology studies that the brain can subliminally respond to one frame of those 24 frames per second, the eyes do not "see" that frame. Our GUI load time difference has to hit 0.042 seconds to be equivalent to 24 frames per second -- 4 to 7 times higher than they are at! Skins have zero "perceptable" difference on GUI load time - it's all Placebo Effect. And no effect on performance overall.

Enjoy your holiday tomorrow. I expect it to be quiet - just way I prefer it

360 Extreme Explorer Screenshot of the browser: (360 Extreme Explorer, Ver: 13.0.2250.0, "Chrome" Theme) Modified Version download links: v9 --> (Updated 22/03/23) Version: 9.5.0.138 Based on Chromium: 63.0.3239.132 v11 --> (Updated 22/03/23) Version: 11.0.2251.0 Based on Chromium: 69.0.3497.100 v12 --> (Updated 22/03/23) Version: 12.0.1592.0 Based on Chromium: 78.0.3904.108 v13 --> (Updated 22/03/23) Version: 13.0.2250.0 Based on Chromium: 86.0.4240.198 (Updated 22/03/23) Version: 13.0.2310.0 Based on Chromium: 86.0.4240.198 Archive with all versions --> https://archive.org/details/360EE_Modified_Version See: https://retrosystemsrevival.blogspot.com/2019/05/360-extreme-chrome-browser.html https://web.archive.org/web/20210925152949/https://xpforever.miraheze.org/wiki/360_Extreme_Explorer Note: The changes I made are so many that maybe some little errors related to translation and/or the building of the modification notes can be present so please tell me if you find any. Also, if you want to propose something else, please be aware that I do not have a lot of free time and that at any moment, I could be gone for a while for whatever reasons (I do not intend to be rude with this comment, feel free to speak yourself). If anyone wants to help, it will be truly appreciated. Kafan Mini-Browser Another Chinese Chromium-based browser that seems to be pretty much like a standard Chromium build. Official Page --> https://browser.kfsafe.cn/ Forum --> https://bbs.kafan.cn/forum-298-1.html Screenshot of the browser: Modified Version download link: v1 Version: 1.0.0.121 --> (22/03/23) Version: 1.0.0.127 --> (22/03/23) Based on Chromium: 87.0.4280.66 Folder --> https://archive.org/details/360EE_Modified_Version Observations: - On startup the browser will connect to the website of the search provider selected as default because of the search bar provided on the new tab. - Browser crashing when inserting a USB drive? --> Disable the "Enable new USB backend" flag in "chrome://flags/" (Thanks to @realisty). - Only natively compatible with XP-32bits. It can be used on XP-64bits thanks to @Matias Groen (see XP x64 folder). - Very heavy for old computers. - Doesn't have NPAPI support. Original download link (you can unzip the EXE file with 7zip): http://browser-download.kfsafe.cn/MiniBrowserSetup.exe (currently down) Internet Archive alternative link --> http://web.archive.org/web/20221201234530/http://browser-download.kfsafe.cn/MiniBrowserSetup.exe DC Browser A Chinese Chromium-based browser. The only version compatible with XP is v4 (Chromium 75). Official page --> http://dcbrowser.cqttech.com/home Screenshot of the browser: Modified Version download link: v4 --> (Updated 22/03/23) Version: 4.0.7.22 Based on Chromium: 75.0.3770.100 Folder --> https://archive.org/details/360EE_Modified_Version Observations: - On startup the browser will connect to the website of the search provider selected as default. Similar to Mini-Browser. - All default extensions were removed (the PDF Feature and Screen Capture will not work). You can get them out of the browser's interface through the settings. - Doesn't have NPAPI support. - Has DRM support (Win7+) --> https://bitmovin.com/demos/drm Original download link (you need to install to get the browser files, fortunately you can set the location of the installation): http://file.cdn.cqttech.com/dcbrowser/DCBrowser_1261_4.0.7.22.exe Patcher to retrieve the translation function for all browsers modified --> https://archive.org/details/360EE_Modified_Version Usage: - Inside the "trans_patch.7z" there is a "trans_patch" folder. Extract it. - Copy and paste the folder in the same place the browser executable file is. - After that, enter the folder and execute "trans-patch.bat". - A command-line interface will show up. Depending on the browser you are trying to apply the patches a small question will be promted on CMD. If everything goes correctly the program will show you at the end "Press any key to continue". Press any key, open the browser and check if the translation function was restored. After all that you can delete the "trans_patch" folder. It should work without errors. If anything else happens tell me. Thanks to all the following for the information I could gather for the modification of these browsers: @Windows 2000, @VistaLover, @Sampei.Nihira, @win32, @DragonSC7601, @redapple0204, @blackwingcat, @404notfound, @Cixert, @thebuildone, @ArcticFoxie, @Dixel, The Russian Repackers, @dmiranda, @we3fan, @athlonxpuser and @Greyfox77 I really hope this can help someone, Cheers. - Humming Owl

Try using these flags (in 360EE v13) - Enable receiver device to handle peer connection requests - Enable sender device to initiate peer connection requests This extension should work --> https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/user-agent-switcher-for-c/djflhoibgkdhkhhcedjiklpkjnoahfmg?hl=en

I did not buy ram to browse web rather use it for stuff like virtual machines but seems web takes more from ram.

Interesting enough ram usage seems to match with your browser. I got no lag though. You could try block useless scripts with Ematrix or similar. Following is minium needed to fully use MSFN I am using those and lag is gone even on Pentium 4

Hi, why you have 2 (two!) explorer.exe? It's virus, one of these two?.. Why you run spoolsv.exe?

@XPerceniol, 3GB is obviously not enough for the "modern" web. MSFN is getting heavier and heavier each day for me too , I also noticed lags when typing in reply windows or creating new topics . All those flags you're trying to add are already included in my version , this one also , of course ! They are just inside , the "ini" file is inside , so you can't see it . Did you try MSFN with my version ? Don't forget to start it from the red "O" icon.

Good idea , I added TOR capabilities to my Firfeox starter , so it could be used by simple folks (just with a button click), I was following your advice . The link is above.

https://msfn.org/board/topic/183169-an-ex-dj-from-holland-hacked-mozillafirefox-code-and-wrote-a-tool-to-mock-this-pitiful-browser/

The page expects support for Web Components in the browser, precisely customElements.

You were the only one with your panties in a bunch

Those are two different things. The P2P update capability in Windows 10 is built into the OS and doesn't rely on any browser being installed.

Here's a comparison of en_skin / iframe / skin (which I'm calling "skinless") to dark theme to xp theme. These are GUI Load Times as timed by PassMark AppTimer - timed twelve GUI load times per theme. The only thing I'd really conclude definitively is that a dark theme INCREASES your GUI load time. The XP Theme was the only skin that didn't have its slowest load times above 0.5 seconds. I suspect that if I ran 100 instead of just 12 that "skinless" and "XP" would basically diverge into a dead-heat tie but that "dark" would still come in dead last.

The last version of @roytam1's FxESR 45.9.x fork that would accept the official Mozilla Fx 45.9.0 language packs, https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/45.9.0esr/win32/xpi/ is package "firefox-45.9.29-20201010-7391af2bb-win32-sse.7z"; later versions have become incompatible with the original language packs (LPs hereafter...). In said compatible build, browse to the LP you want to install (e.g. Greek = el.xpi) and click on the link; allow the site to install extensions, then click Install; after the installation has been completed, open about:config and locate pref general.useragent.locale Change its value from the default (en-US) to the one matching the freshly installed LP (e.g. el); restart the browser and voila: OTOH, if you wish to move to a more recent Fx45esr version, you'd have to use English exclusively, or adapt yourself the existing LPs to accommodate the locale changes introduced by the "upstream" Roy follows to produce his fork...

Yup When I say NT6, though, I always forget about 6.2 and 6.3... don't mean those. But 5.0-6.1 were great. ? Just use an Ethernet cable! I never use Wi-Fi anyways. Slower, less reliable, flaky, higher latency, etc. There's probably enough Cat5 behind my desk to wire a small town... You can do it!

There are some people having problems with their Creative Sound Blaster Live! in Windows 9x. Creative CD release drivers and Web Release drivers seem to be in many different revisions for different cards... Some revisions are good and some are not. For years I have been collecting and testing newer versions of creative driver files to determine those that worked in 9x with the Live!. Following is that collection of driver files: Please note that these are original, freely available Creative files, and the binaries are not modified or patched in any way. The provided software is useless without a Creative Sound Blaster Live! card installed. Main Driver Set (4.42 MiB) mirror 1: http://www.mdgx.com/sbdrv/sblive2.zip Creative EMU10K1 sound devices supported: CT4620 - PCI\VEN_1102&DEV_0002&SUBSYS_00211102 - Sound Blaster Live! (Gen I) CT4670 - PCI\VEN_1102&DEV_0002&SUBSYS_00201102 - Sound Blaster Live! (Gen I) Value CT???? -- PCI\VEN_1102&DEV_0002&SUBSYS_002F1102 - Sound Blaster Live! motherboard integrated CT4760 - PCI\VEN_1102&DEV_0002&SUBSYS_80401102 - Sound Blaster Live! (Gen II) CT4780 - PCI\VEN_1102&DEV_0002&SUBSYS_80221102 - Sound Blaster Live! Value CT4790 - PCI\VEN_1102&DEV_0002&SUBSYS_80231102 - Sound Blaster PCI512 (OEM) CT???? -- PCI\VEN_1102&DEV_0002&SUBSYS_80251102 - Sound Blaster Live! motherboard integrated CT4830 - PCI\VEN_1102&DEV_0002&SUBSYS_80261102 - Sound Blaster Live! (Gen II OEM) Value CT4831 - PCI\VEN_1102&DEV_0002&SUBSYS_80311102 - Sound Blaster Live! Value CT4832 - PCI\VEN_1102&DEV_0002&SUBSYS_80271102 - Sound Blaster Live! Value CT4850 - PCI\VEN_1102&DEV_0002&SUBSYS_80511102 - Sound Blaster Live! Value CT4870 - PCI\VEN_1102&DEV_0002&SUBSYS_80281102 - Sound Blaster Live! Value CT4871 - PCI\VEN_1102&DEV_0002&SUBSYS_80321102 - Sound Blaster Live! Value SB0060 - PCI\VEN_1102&DEV_0002&SUBSYS_80611102 - Sound Blaster Live! (Gen III) 5.1 SB0100 - PCI\VEN_1102&DEV_0002&SUBSYS_80621102 - Sound Blaster Live! (Gen III) 5.1 SB0102 - PCI\VEN_1102&DEV_0002&SUBSYS_80641102 - Sound Blaster Live! (Gen III) 5.1 SB0100 - PCI\VEN_1102&DEV_0002&SUBSYS_80661102 - Sound Blaster Live! (Gen III) 5.1 (Unofficial) If you have a Creative Sound Blaster Live! card that is not recognised by these drivers, then please post your PCI ID. The PCI ID can be found using regedit: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Enum\PCI Look for a key starting with VEN_1102&DEV_0002, and copy the key name. I have used these drivers in Windows 98SE, but they should support 95 and Me although I have not tested them on these platforms. There are Creative installers for Windows 95 and for Windows 98/Me. Windows 9x Pure DOS support drivers For those wanting Pure DOS (outside of Windows) Sound Blaster 16 Emulation for their Live! and have lost or never had the original CD, or have a newer CD that does not come with these, or simply can't be bothered looking for them: 1999 Release (823 KiB): mirror 1: http://www.mdgx.com/sbdrv/sbldos.zip 2000 Release (827 KiB): mirror 1: http://www.mdgx.com/sbdrv/sbldos2.zip There are two releases of DOS Drivers. The 2000 release should work on all Live! cards, but if there is a problem then use the 1999 release. Note: DOS Emulation may not work on some (newer) motherboards if the BIOS does not map the PCI SERR# signal to the processor NMI (Non-Maskable Interrupt). Look in the BIOS settings for a PCI SERR setting or check with your mobo vendor for a BIOS upgrade, or dump the Mobo for one that works properly! See here for more technical information: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/alt.comp.periphs.soundcard.sblive/sRxF_p5Ni5I/5hP_rr0vexQJ Creative Applets that are compatible and tested with VxD drivers: Check your current version of each applet before installing these in case they are actually newer than these... AudioHQ To deinstall the original CD installed AudioHQ (and 1.0.185.0): C:\WINDOWS\IsUninst.exe -f"C:\Program Files\Creative\SBLive\AudioHQ.isu" Always deinstall old version first! 1.0.185.0 (Oct 1999) - Works (1.98 MiB): mirror 1: http://www.mdgx.com/sbdrv/audiohq10185.zip 1.0.193.0 (Sep 2000) - Fails to install (!) 1.0.193.0 (May 2001) - Fails to install (!) 1.10.21 (Jun 2002) - Fails with VxD drivers 1.10.22 (Nov 2002) - Fails with VxD drivers Surround Mixer To deinstall the original CD installed Surround Mixer: C:\WINDOWS\IsUninst.exe -f"C:\Program Files\Creative\SBLive\SurMixer.isu" To deinstall 1.1.1.0 of Surround Mixer: C:\WINDOWS\IsUninst.exe -f"C:\Program Files\Creative\SurroundMixer\SurMixer.isu" Always deinstall old version first! 1.1.1.0 (Nov 2000) - Works (1.68 MiB): mirror 1: http://www.mdgx.com/sbdrv/surmix111.zip 2.00.26 (Jun 2002) - Fails with VxD drivers 2.00.29 (Nov 2002) - Fails with VxD drivers 3.00.57 (Feb 2003) - Fails with VxD drivers More stuff: dencorso's parametric EQ patch for emu10k1.vxd 4.12.01.0906: See here: http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?showtopic=115903&view=findpost&p=771209 mirror 1: https://msfn.org/board/applications/core/interface/file/attachment.php?id=22430 mirror 2: http://www.mdgx.com/sbdrv/emu0906.zip aLeXis' patch installer: http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?showtopic=115903&view=findpost&p=771360 mirror 1: http://www.mdgx.com/sbdrv/sblive-eq-patch-4.12.01.0906.exe Various Sound Blaster files hosted by MDGx: http://www.mdgx.com/sbdrv/ Standard disclaimer These drivers have worked for me but YMMV. I have been using them for years with no problem, however, they may or may not work on your model of Creative sound card, and therefore, I cannot make any guarantee of suitability. In simple terms, you are solely responsible if your audio begins to sound like you're in a concrete bunker some thirty-seven miles from the stage of Disaster Area! Enjoy!

You mean something *like* detours? http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/projects/detours/ jaclaz