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A friend of mine was going to get the tube in Catania, Giuffrida Station, Italy, and he sent me this picture: and we're both pretty sure that it's Windows XP or one of its derivatives

Why yes i am using it on windows 7 as my main, actually that pic is from windows 7 only, vista wont update past 2021.4 either but doesnt give the unsupported os error

Due to the doubts and the incipient erroneous articles published on the Internet saying that Windows XP does not have updated browsers, I open this post indicating the complete information on all the companies or software programmers that make versions of browsers compatible with Windows XP. But first it is necessary to clarify some fundamental concepts. The first is that today there are only 2 Internet browser projects for Windows. The Chromium project and the Mozilla foundation. No, the basic existing browsers are not Google Chrome, Opera, Firefox and Microsoft Edge. Opera abandoned its own "Presto" browser engine in 2012, Microsoft stopped developing its own browser known as Internet Explorer in 2015 & and later stopped developing its own motor in Edge in 2019. Now both the Opera browser and Microsoft's browser are based on the Chromium project. An open source database for developing a web browser, maintained by various companies that later use the source code to create their own version of the browser with additional features. Google develops Chrome and Microsoft develops Edge, same as multiple companies using the same codebase as above, for example Opera. None of these companies develops versions compatible with Windows XP but many others do, for many they are unknown companies but in China they generally work with Windows XP due to the delicacy of the manufacturing processes and the independent control provided by this operating system. By not needing direct connections with Microsoft and therefore with the US Government. There are many Chinese browsers based on both Chromium and Mozilla, the Chromium versions come with telemetry for the Chinese Government to know which websites you visit (Google also does it for the USA and stronger) but there are modified versions that have this capacity removed . There are also browsers from other places but they are less developed such as Otter Browser or RetroZilla. Based on Mozilla we can also find updated browsers even for Windows 2000, although for this system they have not passed the beta phase as forks of K-Meleon and PaleMoon developed by Roytam1. Sin embargo for Windows XP you can find several browsers modified to work on this operating system, whose versions are continuously updated. These come in English and many can be patched in another language. For Windows XP I recommend using the English Chromium-based versions, especially 360 Extreme Explorer modified version without telemetry, due to their speed compared to Mozilla-based browsers. User interface can be found in English and in Chinese. Multilanguage only come with Kafan MiniBrowser (except installer), Maxthon and UC Browser. If we want to view the web pages in other specific languages, we must also modify the language in which we want to view them by default. To work with Chromium it is essential that we understand the Windows certificate system, since the https web pages display depends on our Windows certificates being up to date. While for Mozilla-based browsers it is not necessary, since they are integrated into the browser itself and it is not necessary to update them independently. To update the Windows XP certificates, download a package updated by the Japanese @blackwingcat on its Windows Legacy Update website: http://win2k.org/wlu/wluen.htm We go to the manual update section and look for certificates. Unzip the file with 7-Zip or WinRar and then install it. Note: The files on this website come in a format that I have not been able to use in Spanish XP, even discussing it with the author. They may work in other languages but if not don't worry, unzip with 7-zip and install. Below I indicate which are the best developments for Windows XP and its base code version in April 2022. BASED ON MOZILLA. THE BEST BROWSERS ARE THESE: By @roytam1 (Goanna based): -New Moon (Pale Moon fork & Firefox fork) -K-Meleon (K-Meleon fork & Firefox fork) -Serpent / UXP basilisk52 (Basilisk fork & Firefox fork) -Serpent / Mobieus basilisk55 (Basilisk fork & Firefox fork) All are versioned by Roytam1 and lack telemetry for the use of any Government, this is their website to download: http://rtfreesoft.blogspot.com/search/label/browser And in this post on the MSFN forum you can ask questions: https://msfn.org/board/topic/182647-my-browser-builds-part-3/ He also has forks of: -Artic-Fox (MAC fork) -Borealis (Borealis Navigator fork - Netscape Navigator fork) -IceApe (IceWesel fork) And special versions for SSE 1 processors. Automatic unofficial installer for roytam1’s browsers by @i430VX http://i430vx.net/files/XP/RoyTam Browser Installer.exe (this may not work on multiple languages or personalized installations) By @feodor2 Quantum 68-78 based (NEW): -MyPal 68 https://github.com/Feodor2/Mypal68/ Goanna based (project is down on September 2021): -MyPal (Pale Moon fork & Firefox fork) https://github.com/Feodor2/Mypal http://www.mypal-browser.org/release -Centaury (Basilisk fork & Firefox fork) https://github.com/Feodor2/Centaury/releases THE FULL LIST OF CHROMIUM_BASED BROWSERS IS THIS: -2345 Explorer (Chinese only) http://ie.2345.cc/ (for PC) https://app.2345.com/ (for phone) -360 Extreme Explorer (webkit adapted to Blink + Trident (IE according to web compatibility) 360 Extreme Explorer is the current name of the international version of the Chinese 360 Secure Explorer. Not to be confused with the name "Browser 360" which refers to an old international version whose latest version is 7.5.2.104 and it is based on Chromium 31 https://360-browser.en.softonic.com/ International versions based on Chromium 78 or higher are called "360 Extreme Explorer", in this post on the MSFN forum you can ask questions: https://msfn.org/board/topic/178380-extreme-explorer-360-chromium-78-general-discussion Download Links: Official international version (web english version only download old version 11): https://browser.360.cn/ee/en.html On Septembre 2021 web for english version only on Chinese (careful, uninstall 360 also only on Chinese) https://browser.360.cn/ee/ 360 Extreme Explorer versions with telemetry removed: From versions 12 and 13 (Chromium 86), for 360 Extreme Explorer to correctly display the certificate on some https pages, and their style sheet, it requires activating compatibility mode with Windows 2000 by right clicking on the executable file .EXE. @Humming Owl modified versions: -post on MSFN: https://msfn.org/board/topic/182876-360-extreme-explorer-modified-version/ -folders: https://www.mediafire.com/folder/fuwfohw2b75ot/02-10-21 https://archive.org/details/360EE_Modified_Version Arcticfoxie modified versions (aka @NotHereToPlayGames modified versions): https://msfn.org/board/topic/182993-360-extreme-explorer-arcticfoxie-versions/ Version R8 for low memory computers: https://msfn.org/board/topic/184515-arcticfoxienotheretoplaygames-360chrome-v1351030-rebuild-8/ Modified in China: (several users report that the telemetry is not completely canceled, that the deletion is partial) http://www.qiuquan.cc/browser/360chrome.html Modified in Russia: (several users report that the telemetry is not completely canceled, that the deletion is partial) https://rsload.net/soft/browser/17362-360-browser.html https://lrepacks.ru/repaki-programm-dlya-interneta/182-360-extreme-explorer-amp-portable.html Forum in Russian to modify the official international version: http://forum.ru-board.com/topic.cgi?forum=5&topic=49673 The current version for the Chinese market is called ... -360 Secure Explorer also known as 360 Secure Browser The official version can be downloaded here (only in Chinese language) http://browser.360.cn/ And here is the modified version in China: http://www.qiuquan.cc/browser/360se.html -DC Browser v.4 (Chromium 75) Note: With the official version I have experienced multiple blue screens, the modified version I have not tried yet. Official version: http://dcbrowser.cqttech.com/home @Humming Owl modified versions: -post on MSFN: https://msfn.org/board/topic/182876-360-extreme-explorer-modified-version/ -download folders https://www.mediafire.com/folder/gc3rbagwt99pr/DC_Browser_Modified_Version -Kafan MiniBrowser aka MiniBlink aka MiniChrome (Chromium 87) Official version multilanguage (install only Chinese): https://browser.kfsafe.cn Forum: https://bbs.kafan.cn/forum-298-1.html Maximum perfomance: 2 GiB RAM: 5 tabs open 8 GiB RAM: 25 tabs open @Humming Owl modified versions: -Post on MSFN: https://msfn.org/board/topic/182876-360-extreme-explorer-modified-version/ -Download folders https://www.mediafire.com/folder/ytdozcs6wco9x/Mini_Browser_Modified_Version -Liebao aka Kingsoft Cheetah Secure Browser Official version: https://www.liebao.cn/ Change Chinese language to English: https://malwaretips.com/threads/liebao-cheetah-browser.381. Portable version https://www.portableSoft.org/down/3022/ -Maxthon (Blink + Trident + Webkit) (Chromium 69) Official multilanguage version: * https://www.maxthon.com/ * Version 6.x is not compatible with Windows XP. * Version 5.x is the latest compatible with Windows XP. MaxThon 5.3.8.2100 Beta (2020-01-06): https://forum.maxthon.com/index.php?/release-notes5/%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%0%C2%A0%C2% A0V-5382100-R214 / MaxThom 5.3.8.2000 Release (2019-10-24): https://forum.maxthon.com/index.php?/release-notes5/%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%0%C2%A0%C2% A0V-5382000-R213 / -QQ Browser (Blink + Trident) Official version (care, better not install, it looks like a virus / spyware that makes a lot of advertising in all your computer) https://browser.qq.com/ -Sogou Explorer (It only exists in Chinese language) Official version: https://ie.sogou.com/ Version modified in China: http://www.qiuquan.cc/browser/sogouexplorer.html. Both on Windows XP and on Windows 10 it gives me the following error: w10 error xx183 cannot create a file that already exists -UC Browser (Chromium 54) This browser has been discontinued, after being accused of stealing user data. The latest version for Windows (7.0.185.1002) is from the year 2018. Official links have stopped working in some countries. Official version multilanguage: http://www.ucweb.com/ucbrowser/download/ Alternative download: https://www.filehorse.com/download-uc-browser-for-windows/ Modified version in China (it is possible to change the language to English after navigating the menu in Chinese): http://www.qiuquan.cc/browser/ucbrower.html -TS Browser (Chromium 75) Official version: http://tsbrowser.xiangtatech.com It seems to work as well as 360 Extreme Explorer but I haven't gotten it to read the updated certificates. OTHER BROWSERS FOR WINDOWS XP -ArtisBrowser (prevents the user from copying anything from sites) Copy extensions to the browser profile, many of the extensions it will work. Firefox based browser, which apparently prevents the user from copying anything from the sites, although not found it to be the case. It doesn't work for all websites, although it does work on 'some' sites where the newer modified Mozilla type modded browsers don't work as well... maybe it's related to the API... Many extensions work. Link that determines the operating system you are using: https://artistscope.com/artisbrowser/artisbrowser-download.asp Link that downloads the latest version that works on Windows XP: https://images.artistscope.com/download/ASPS_Browser_install_XP.zip -Lobo Evolution (Java browser in Alpha phase) This is a current fork of the Lobo browser that was discontinued in 2009. Tested the latest version 3.0, it works exaggeratedly slow. Official Downloads: Github (last updated version) https://github.com/LoboEvolution/LoboEvolution/releases Sourceforge (only up to v.2.0) https://sourceforge.net/projects/loboevolution/ Original Wolf of the Year 2009: https://lobobrowser.org/ -Netsurf (experimental without Javascript) https://www.netsurf-browser.org/downloads/windows/ -Otter Browser (Opera Classic - Qt5) https://otter-browser.org -Opera 12.18_45 unofficial (mod 06.11.20) (russian original but english is possible) https://www.upload.ee/files/12483022/Opera_Unofficial_Portable_12.18_45.zip.html (link is down) alternatives download: https://disk.yandex.ru/d/HbQfEL8dnx_c7A https://yadi.sk/d/ANkjyZ6Hfws34w With certificates (zip password "111"): https://www.mediafire.com/folder/xndaaefaebnib/Browsers Instruction for menu Opera with english language https://msfn.org/board/topic/182794-updated-browser-list-for-windows-xp/?do=findComment&comment=1208594 Forum: https://www.tenforums.com/general-support/172922-windows-xp-2021-system-build-modern-pc.html http://www.classicshell.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=8570 Forum certificates: https://forums.opera.com/topic/9630/opera-12-17-tls-1-1-and-tls-1-2-settings-not-persistent/9 -RetroZilla (Gecko 1.8.1 fork) https://github.com/rn10950/RetroZilla/releases/ Also compatible with Windows 95Ç -Tor Browser 7.5.6 unoffial updated internal components, with Tor 0.4.5.8 (Release May, 2021). English and Russian packs. https://www.upload.ee/files/13208675/TB756_en_0458.ZIP.html (English) SHA256: a22a94bd1d4f23b6b1538ce3cddc3555e0c67fe423d80f4e541b8c8a409f3dc4 https://www.upload.ee/files/13208684/TB756_ru_0458.ZIP.html (Russian) SHA256: d0036853c3fd6de568f274f10a63fa4b46db0c0bc7669045f41c2f37f8a20fb9 Forum: https://forum.ru-board.com/topic.cgi?forum=2&topic=5834#20 https://www.tenforums.com/general-support/172922-windows-xp-2021-system-build-modern-pc.html BROWSERS FOR TEST WEB PAGES -Utility Firefox Collection http://utilu.com/UtiluMFC/#download -Utility IE Collection http://utilu.com/IECollection/#download CLIENTS THAT DISPLAY MODERN WEB PAGES IN OLD BROWSERS, THANKS TO A PROXY SERVER THAT CONVERTS WEB PAGES INTO IMAGES -Browser Service (requires own Linux server): https://github.com/ttalvitie/browservice/releases/tag/v0.9.2.2 Instruction: https://github.com/ttalvitie/browservice -WRP (requires own server): https://github.com/tenox7/wrp/releases/ Instruction: https://github.com/tenox7/wrp SEARCH ENGINE THAT WORKS IN OLDER BROWSERS -FrogFind (showing only text) http://www.frogfind.com PAGES ARE BEING CREATED WITH VARIOUS UPDATED INFORMATION -XPforever https://xpforever.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page -retrobrowser.com http://retrobrowsers.com/windowsxp -Retro System Revival https://retrosystemsrevival.blogspot.com/p/final-versions-of-working-software-on.html MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THE CURRENT WINDOWS XP OPERATION Visit MSFN forum Windows XP section: https://msfn.org/board/forum/34-windows-xp/ This post is available in Spanish here: https://foro.elhacker.net/windows/listado_de_navegadores_actualizados_para_windows_xp-t510585.0.html

This is almost 100% sun valley. But some people are rumoring that it may be a new release of Windows, like Windows 11. What do you guys think? This could be the first major release since 2015.

hype has to exist

The Liebao portable link seems to be dead. Also, there is a browser called "MiniBrowser" that works in XP - it was mentioned in the 360Chrome thread, if I recall, not positive.

I managed to integrate it. It's dirty way, but it seems good. It will be part of my offline Vista / Server 2008 Update Pack. At the end you get SysPreped ISO with all updates, PowerShell versions, .NETs and working Windows Update to receive Office updates or Drivers. This Update Pack tool should be relased in moth (hopefully)

Hi! v.0.5.5 is the version downloaded from the link you provided, back in the day. You can presumably find it in the older versions section of said page. v.1.5 is the current version, the one suggested by @Dr. Drill.

I'm probably not able to offer substantial help on this problem, being on Vista SP2 32-bit myself, but: IE9 has no issues here loading instantly the plain HTTP version of the logo: IE9 (with WS2008 fixes to enable it with TLS v1.2 support) has no issues instantly loading the secure (HTTPS) version of the logo: In the attachment I have also included the Certification Path; IE9, just like IE8/WinXP, uses the OS certstore: top is the Root CA [Sectigo (AAA)], then two intermediate certs, last is the server (helpforum.sky.com) cert; none of these four certs has been recently changed (updated/expired) ; below is server cert in question: What would be more relevant with your case is my attempt to load the "secure" logo in IE9 via ProxHTTPSProxyMII; as with previous tests, it has no issue whatsoever instantly loading that logo: But while standalone IE uses the OS certstore, when connecting through ProxHTTPSProxyMII it doesn't; it just trusts as Root CA the (manually imported) proxy's cert: How long ago was the last time you manually generated a fresh ProxHTTPSProxy CA? https://curl.se/docs/caextract.html says the most recent cacert.pem file was generated on May 25th 2021 04:12 BST; download file "cacert-2021-05-25.pem", rename it to cacert.pem and place it inside ProxHTTPSProxyMII's root directory (overwriting, if necessary); empty fully the Certs folder of its content; delete file CA.crt; launch once ProxHTTPSProxyMII: Close ProxHTTPSProxyMII and manually import the freshly generated CA.crt file into IE8; relaunch ProxHTTPSProxyMII and try anew... I have no clue why your copy of IE8 isn't able to load http://helpforum.sky.com/html/assets/sky-community-v6.png Have you changed recently any of your DNS settings? Perhaps your Anti-Malware solution is interfering? Grasping at straws on this... As for loading the secure version of the logo in IE8 without ProxHTTPSProxyMII, https://helpforum.sky.com/html/assets/sky-community-v6.png this isn't possible under XP, because SNI support is required (Vista+) ...

Sure, not the only one ... ;o) Sheila B. Devotion - Spacer (Maxi Mix) (FR 1979)

Yes, see this January 25 post, but only the x86 WMP is affected. (I wonder if any third-party media software is also affected.) But if you want to watch videos using a Firefox version that requires Windows 7, then the Media Foundation files are necessary.

May I ask which version exactly that is? CAA provides up to v0.3.8-Release (Jetpack SDK): caa:addon/canvasblocker/versions whereas AMO currently lists versions up to v1.5 (WE, requires patching manifest.json to install in latest St52): https://addons.mozilla.org/el/firefox/addon/canvasblocker/versions/ (v1.5 presumed to be the very same one referenced above by @Dr. Drill ), with v0.5.5 included ; according to AMO listing, v0.5.9 should be the last to natively support Fx52 ... Thanks for this ; also for the tip on the "ViewImageInfo" pref ; sadly, site admins are becoming very cunning in protecting their images nowadays, they use scripts to remove image-related context menu entries, hide them behind iframes, obfuscate direct URIs to images, even change file extensions... It is cases like these that View Page Info -> Media/View Page Source/Web Developer -> Web Console -> Net etc. become indispensable towards saving photos to disk... But this is (still) OT, so ending it here...

Thank you @Dr. Drill. I will try it thorughly. My first try (I go for the tightest thing, always :P) has not been successful. For example, being tight I cannot login to to MSFN. @Sampei.Nihira, what say you, fratelo? Well, what is not China related, anyway?. The problem is never China (or Russia, or -do I dare to say, would they "legally" torture me for wondering so?- the USA). The issue at hand is: is it FOSS? Is it transparent? Can I check what you do? I look forward to see what your efforts on behalf of this small community will bring to a better future, @roytam1. Seriously.

Run Process Explorer. Double-click the svchost process which is torturing the CPU. Select the Services tab to see which services are running in the process. Stop those services one by one until you find which one is responsible for this.

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New build of BOC/UXP for XP! Test binary: MailNews Win32 https://o.rthost.win/boc-uxp/mailnews.win32-20210605-355db4de-uxp-7f6f1c664-xpmod.7z BNavigator Win32 https://o.rthost.win/boc-uxp/bnavigator.win32-20210605-355db4de-uxp-7f6f1c664-xpmod.7z source repo (excluding UXP): https://github.com/roytam1/boc-uxp/tree/custom-older * Notice: the profile prefix (i.e. parent folder names) are also changed since 2020-08-15 build, you may rename their names before using new binaries when updating from builds before 2020-08-15. -- New build of HBL-UXP for XP! Test binary: IceDove-UXP(mail) https://o.rthost.win/hbl-uxp/icedove.win32-20210605-id-f0915f3-uxp-7f6f1c664-xpmod.7z IceApe-UXP(suite) https://o.rthost.win/hbl-uxp/iceape.win32-20210605-id-f0915f3-ia-c642e3c-uxp-7f6f1c664-xpmod.7z source repo (excluding UXP): https://github.com/roytam1/icedove-uxp/tree/winbuild https://github.com/roytam1/iceape-uxp/tree/winbuild for UXP changes please see above.

New build of Serpent/UXP for XP! Test binary: Win32 https://o.rthost.win/basilisk/basilisk52-g4.8.win32-git-20210605-e29e57e-uxp-7f6f1c664-xpmod.7z Win64 https://o.rthost.win/basilisk/basilisk52-g4.8.win64-git-20210605-e29e57e-uxp-7f6f1c664-xpmod.7z source code that is comparable to my current working tree is available here: https://github.com/roytam1/UXP/commits/custom IA32 Win32 https://o.rthost.win/basilisk/basilisk52-g4.8.win32-git-20210605-e29e57e-uxp-7f6f1c664-xpmod-ia32.7z source code that is comparable to my current working tree is available here: https://github.com/roytam1/UXP/commits/ia32 NM28XP build: Win32 https://o.rthost.win/palemoon/palemoon-28.10.3a1.win32-git-20210605-411f285e0-uxp-7f6f1c664-xpmod.7z Win32 SSE https://o.rthost.win/palemoon/palemoon-28.10.3a1.win32-git-20210605-411f285e0-uxp-7f6f1c664-xpmod-sse.7z Win64 https://o.rthost.win/palemoon/palemoon-28.10.3a1.win64-git-20210605-411f285e0-uxp-7f6f1c664-xpmod.7z Official UXP changes since my last build: - Revert "Issue #21 - Remove TelemertyVFS" (349346d0b) - Issue #1772 - Stop using legacy code page conversion for file paths on Linux. (c921ad59d) - Issue #1774 - Make menulist-button visible again in gtk3 (0a0830ba8) - Merge pull request 'Issue #1774 - Make menulist-button visible again in gtk3' (#1775) from jobbautista9/UXP:master into master (27e7b312a) - Revert "Issue #1774 - Make menulist-button visible again in gtk3" (6272d48e8) - Issue #1774 - Add metrics to the editable menulist-button for GTK3 (42cf1ad41) - [toolkit] Exclude printer spew from troubleshooting information. (ce71c0fe3) - [js] Fix invalid early return in BaselineFrame::trace. (9acd98298) - [js] Fix porting typo (7f6f1c664) No official Basilisk changes since my last build. Official Pale-Moon changes since my last build: - Back-end branch pointer update. (c9f73ec3f) - Rename "Web Developer" menu entries to "Developer Tools" (29908be27) - Issue #1870 - Add try/catch and console logging for failing autocomplete popup. (411f285e0) My changes since my last build: - skipped "Rename "Web Developer" menu entries to "Developer Tools" (29908be27)" - update NSS builtin certstore to May 2021 version from mozilla upstream. (6026e19d2)

Then, in my opinion, it doesn't look like a windows event, considering it's just some changes.

From what I've seen regarding next release is just GUI and Store changes. No "real" changes under the hood, just the way it "looks" and the Store (which I axe anyway).

I'm skeptical on the whole thing like I was with Windows 10. I've been using Windows 10 as a daily driver for a year now and even though I'm not fond of it, it drives a lot of the programs I've been running. So while it's not bad, it's not awesome and I've had more problems with it than my beloved Windows 2000. But of course as we've seen time and time again from Microsoft, there are usually a lot of bugs and stability issues with vanilla releases of Windows and don't really improve until the service packs start rolling out. It would be nice to see actual service packs again rather than these continuous rolling updates. Windows 10 never felt finished because of this update method. A small thing I miss is the ability to really tweak the user interface and use real themes. I don't care for the flatness of Windows 10 and prefer above anything, the Windows Classic theme which was completely removed. Even Aero had a bit more character than the Windows 10 theme. So I don't really expect that to change judging from the screenshots I've seen so far. But of course the big thing will be functionality and we'll have to see what the system requirements are to run the OS but I'm assuming they won't be too different from Windows 10. Probably anything that can run Vista smoothly will most likely be able to run Windows 11. For anyone that wants a little more information: https://www.theverge.com/2021/6/3/22466394/microsoft-windows-11-launch-teaser-rumors I would have to agree that launching a whole new Windows would be a smart move, considering that like the article says, new versions of Windows spark more PC sales and considering the whole Covid mess over the past year and a half and many US citizens receiving stimulus checks from the government, it could potentially nudge people who saved some of that money to buy a new computer. That's just my thought though.

myself, i stopped caring about any win release ever since win 8 betas came out IMO win7 was last "shiny knight", everything after crappozolla

I think it's nice. I hope that sun valley update is a nice one and has good changes and features. Let's see how will that "Windows" event be. Yeah, that would be good.

I do not use this 360 browser, but I may, so I follow (which helps in other areas too, given the input provided from users like yourself) this thread. Going to your point, you may want to try Firemin (which despite what the page says, seems to work in XP -but I have not yet found any need for it, so I don't know if it really does) https://www.rizonesoft.com/downloads/firemin/. Cheers

With all due respect, probably because the older software still performs perfectly and is licensed for life, while an upgrade would require a new and expensive license just for show purposes, since it adds nothing really needed. Do you think people are made of money? Moreover, you yourself told he's gotten his clinic renovated... for normal human beings, there's only so much money (more so in times of covid-19, on top of it)!