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I see you've decided to come trolling again Jody... because what else is this really? If you no longer use XP, you no longer care about XP, and you think XP users are somehow backward, then why do you bother to come here to read the XP forum or even attempt to engage the XP users? You say you come here for "discussion" - but most of the time you're only interested in pushing the "accept change and move on" argument. You will agree or semi-agree with some minor point here and there to maintain the impression that you're having a fair discussion or that you're open-minded, but in the end your opinion never really changes. So why do you keep expecting other users minds to change? Do you just like to keep the disagreement stirred up to waste everyone's time? Why do you have such an intense interest in what operating system others choose to use if your mind is already made up about it? Why does it seem to bother you so much when other people don't just "go with the flow?" Who are you to question anyone else for their choices, or to seek "justifications" for those choices? (even if, as you claim, you mean nothing ill by it) If you really believe that something newer is always better, then you're welcome to your opinion. But that's nothing more than "chronological snobbery." The fact that something is newer does not make it better than something older. In fact, the reverse is frequently true. This attitude (prevalent most everywhere I look online these days) that it's OK to force, browbeat, insult the intelligence of, shame, chide, or in any other manner "push" users of any product to give it up for something newer just because someone else says it's better is a cancer, pure and simple. I'll bet that most people pushing this drivel would be deeply offended if say, someone told them their political views were wrong and that they should change because someone else says so. Too many people today are willing to sing the praises of freedom until that freedom applies to something they don't like. Yes, Microsoft has a right to change their products and/or change their business philosophy or whatever. But as far as I am concerned they have a moral obligation to NOT WILLFULLY make it more difficult for users of previous products to keep those products operating. Said users paid for those products, and the fact that some time has passed does not make those users somehow obligated to give up something that works perfectly well and buy something else because Microsoft says so. Don't want to support it any longer? Fine. But don't start putting roadblocks out for those older systems intentionally. This is the main root of the problem that many of us have with Microsoft and many other software/tech companies. It's not what they choose to do, but how they go about doing it. So they want to release a new operating system? Fine. Release it, and if it's really better than what users already have then people will begin to move to it of their own accord. Where the problem arises is 1)when they start pushing FUD garbage about how suddenly you will become vulnerable to this or that catastrophe simply because you haven't chosen to move on; 2)when they use their "influence" to push other companies and products to no longer support an older system; and 3)when they start "manipulating history" to remove information or files relevant to older products, thereby making it more difficult to keep the older systems running (which once again were paid for, and the fact that time has passed does not invalidate this). Very few things make me angrier than when I follow a link to Microsoft's site that is supposed to lead me to some documentation or update for an older system and instead I get some garbage like "We're sorry. This page/update is no longer available. Update to Windows 10 today! It's up to date, fast and secure!" My response? Sure. When .... freezes over. +1 Amen. +1

Microsoft Update offered me two suppsedly important updates for Office 2010 on Windows XP a couple of days ago, KB2863821 and KB4461522. They installed fine, but the next day I came to use Word, and it would not run, with the error message - Application popup: winword.exe - Entry Point Not Found : The procedure entry point GetDateFormatEx could not be located in the dynamic link library KERNEL32.dll. This was followed by "The operating system is not presently configured to run this application". I quickly found that no Office programs would now run, with the same error messages. I removed the two updates, and all returned to normal. I have no idea which of the updates caused the problem, and I haven't been offered either of them again so far, but if you are offered them, beware as they may well completely break your Office installation!

As a matter of fact, that particular argument is tougher to win, EXACTLY because in those environments those specialized application are actually NEEDED to do some actual work (as opposed to ordering random crap on Amazon or e-bay, watching youtube videos of lolcats, etc.). This said, in those cases (of still using XP in a corporate environment), the use of XP is generally (rightly) limited to PC's that need not an internet connection, and curiously enough an XP install (and programs of XP era) tend to have much less *need* to be internet connected. Surely, I never heard of XP reversing from Pro to Home (which in a networked environment should equate more or less to complete havoc), like seemingly Windows 10 has started doing today (JFYI): https://msfn.org/board/topic/174896-official-windows-10-worst-crap-ever/?page=78&tab=comments#comment-1156138 jaclaz

We sure do, and I've just moved here everything not pertaining to the petition. So, both threads are right on-topic at the moment.

I dont care if companies want to abandon stuff, but lately its artificial barriers to block older things. Im so glad i dont live in a "cloud" world, because all my old software wouldnt work, some guy somewhere could just flip a switch on some server and im forced to play some upgrading game on something that was working perfectly.

It depends critically on what one's peddling (and on how much demand does it have)... Way to go! Mine is 15! I'm sorry about that. Really! That's why I delayed moving these posts. But, at the end of the day, here they're on a better place, IMO. Moreover, it's good to stir the pot sometimes. Things here were too slow, of late (highlighting, in fact, how good XP actually is, because if it were real crap, we'd be too busy troubleshooting issues to even care about philosophising), so it's good to see so many of us expressing their POVs. And yes, this thread is just for that, just like its sister thread in the 10 forum. And make no mistake: I see petitioning Firefox to keep supporting XP pointless, but even somewhat disrespectful, because (i) they were the ones who supported it the longest voluntarily and (ii) their code is open, so anyone is welcome to fork it and keep support (as, in fact, @roytam1 and Feodor2 already have done)... The XP community at present is just below 4% of the martket: New Moon, Basilisk and MyPal are more than enough to keep going, and IE8 and the last Chrome are also there for specific uses. We should count ourselves blessed with having raspberries aplenty, not asking for Sebian raspberries, when ours are sourced elsewhere. Much worse would be not having any raspberries, ain't it?

Very funny @jaclaz, again this all came up because of the Firefox 52 petition. I wasn't coming to poop on XP. But really, I must know why is it OK to poop on Windows 10 (in a Windows 10 Forum), and I hate it too by the way, but even the slightest criticism of XP's continued place in IT use is not acceptable? There seems to be a disconnect there. EDIT: moving threads made it seem like I just came back to crap on XP, and that was not the context my statements from yesterday were made.

Office 2007 won't receive this update anyway, as it's out of support. I've now reinstalled KB2863821, and it is fine. I guess I'll just hide KB4461522 and hope a version that works appears next Tuesday, but I'm not holding my breath!

Sure you don't sell them, that's clearly a CAAS (Combs As A Service) approach. I cannot say about dencorso, but jaclaz tends to be often intentionally provocative (though not intentionally aggressive) ... Fun fact, set aside rotary dials, at least here in Italy so-called toll-free numbers (starting by 800) tend to be actually toll free only from a land line (and not reachable from cellular), and most firms that provide such numbers have a separate number (with a small, but still not-free) fee. (and when the stupid[1] answering system doesn't offer the actual option you need -which is nearly always - and you actually need to talk to an operator, it is not unusual to wait for several minutes on hold). Back to the actual JodyT question/doubt, and only as an example, I somehow managed to survive (till today) without Mozilla and their stupid[2] browser by using a combination of Opera (the real thing, Presto Engine), Iron and QTweb. I do actually find - from time to time - stupidly[3] configured/designed websites that I cannot easily access with the above, and here is where a line should be drawn: is the site offering ONLY a service (of any kind) that requires some form of login, subscription or similar (including payment, etc.)? If yes, then the owners have all the right in the world (+1) to implement as much safe browsing, exclusive use of the latest technology and what not to secure the exchange of data. If no, and the site is only a (virtual) windows shop, it should be as plain (and fast) as possible, and accessible by *anything* (you don't open a shop in a gated alley inside a private compound, you open it in a place as visible and as trafficked as possible). When I find this latter kind, (besides making the usual consideration about how humanity is doomed to extinction by its own stupidity) I often take the time to write them telling them how I might have been interested in the whatever product(s) they offer, but that since I couldn't see anything about it easily, with the poor tools I have at my dispoosal, I strated looking elsewhere. In a nutshell, at the moment (today) you (actually I) can still survive with XP (and without Firefox/Mozilla) with only a very minor number of annoyances. Tomorrow is another day. jaclaz [1] here I actually mean "stupid" [2] here I mean "stupid" only in the sense of the countless number of artificial limitations, often absurd presets and more generally the "new" attitude of "we are doing this for your own good". [3] and here I mean "stupidly" as in BOTH the above meanings

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Well, I didn't read @Jody Thornton as being dismissive. Then again, @jaclaz and me are often read as agressive or provocative more often than not (when declaring that "nothing is safe", for instance), when we clearly don't want to come across in that way at all... That said, things die. If one insists in using a rotary dial phone on a land line at present, it'll still work, in the sense that it will be able to make calls and receive them, but as more and more services require one to type numbers in reply to automated menus and the interfaces used for those menus only understand tones (and the dial phone uses pulse dialing), things become progressively more cumbersome and irritating. The same applies to all material devices, like the non-SSE2 single-core processors I mentioned above. Obviously, since all software, OSes included, are immaterial devices, they could, in principle, keep on being updated indefinitely, and remain up-to date and relevant, just as @FranceBB envisaged. But that would require a commitment to good engineering practices like those that spelled the end of Digital... Why? Because that is not part of the Zeitgeist anymore (and the demise of Digital has shown that already was the case in 1998!). Sic transit gloria mundi.

Ok I went for it - everything up to present with the following excluded: KB4340937 KB4343674 KB4458000 KB4462987 KB4034775 KB4458006 KB4042007 KB4050795 KB4093257 KB4463573 KB4074852 KB4134651 (both versions offered) Seems like I'm good, everything's working!

Deepest hatred towards two phenomena, fashion and planned obsolence, and I see elements of both in comments like quoted above Because, actually, why it should? And who decided that. I have nothing against improvement or development, but here I see more a sake for the sake of change. Especially seeing that Roytam1 and other lone Rangers can keep it living. Yes, I'm moving to Basilisk XP on my machine. Just note that I mainly use Windows 7, and I'm totally happy with lesser memory usage in Firefox since 53. But i also would like to keep my XP useful and secure for as long as possible. Just like some people like old Mustangs instead of new, hackable, electronics packed cars. And I share my opinion when asked for. Is THIS hard to understand? However, I give you a credit for manipulative skills, as I should not answer to you in this topic ^^ Lets just assume that there is a bunch of people that simply like using XP more than other windows systems, and that should be the most high-level and appropriate answer to any your future question in the topic

Im so tired of people trying to hold onto the past. I sell combs, and i too would like to have income flowing after the initial sale. With bluetooth connectivity to your cellphone, i can collect some data that helps me to better target the customer with what they dont know they need yet. I can charge your bank automatically through your cellphone per month to keep the supply of hair balm being shipped to you. I dont care if you dont want hair balm, it is not a comb i am selling you, but a hair care and grooming enhancement service. But seriously, what i wonder more is why people would come to an xp specific section in a forum just to p*** on everyones parade. After you rid the world of old OS users, there are people world wide who, brace yourself, like old cars. Destroy their communities, think of the poor car manufacturers.

I have used 98SE on bare iron, as day-to-day main OS (banking included), from 1999 to about 2012. Then, as browsing the internet started becoming really hard, I began migrating so that, by around 2014 I realized I almost didn't use 98SE anymore and my non-SSE2, single-core machines had become too slow... at that point I gave up on both non-SSE2, single-core machines and on 98SE and migrated to i7 based machines running XPSP3 and 7SP1. So, while I'm not one of the die-hardest among us, I'm still die-harder than most, and generally stubborn as a mule. In my view, whenever using an OS or a piece of hardware (like non-SSE2 processors) becomes a true pain, it's time to move on. I really do believe in "if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee"... "

hmm.. Red Hot Chilly Peppers.. listenin to all the songs off there new album