Mathwiz Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 Good question; here's an answer, straight from Moonchild himself: https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=62&t=18678#p137637 TL;DR: Using https to encapsulate another protocol is inefficient, and a VPN would accomplish the same thing more efficiently; therefore DoH isn't needed. Counter-arguments are provided in other posts on the thread. I agree that it's inefficient, but I'm not sure everyone is willing to haul out the VPN sledgehammer just to thwart ISP snooping. After all, if you don't trust your ISP, you're probably skeptical of most commercial VPNs too. DoH lets you separate the knowledge of your browsing into different buckets: your ISP knows which IP addresses you visit, but not which sites at those addresses; the DoH provider knows which sites your IP address is looking up, but not who you are (only your ISP - and probably Google - know that), nor which of those sites are active visits and which are just "noise" from browser plugins and whatnot. (Of course, if you're really worried about these things, you should probably choose a DoH provider other than Google!) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotHereToPlayGames Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 (edited) 5 hours ago, Mathwiz said: only your ISP - and probably Google And Facebook... ? Edited May 6 by NotHereToPlayGames Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotHereToPlayGames Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 9 hours ago, Mathwiz said: I just learned of r3dfox Same here. Just downloaded. Will be a weekend or two before I get around to trying it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UCyborg Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 On 5/5/2024 at 1:20 AM, Mathwiz said: Also not working: Chrome 106 on Android 6.0. Play Store says Firefox 125.3.0 works on Android 5.0+. Or you can buy a new phone 'cause I don't see anyone porting Chrome to older Androids. 22 hours ago, Mathwiz said: Which proves the point @VistaLover was making - that's only five versions above your current "primary" and only five versions older than the "latest and [supposedly] greatest." Google has us all on their "upgrade" treadmill now, even if you skip a handful of versions each time. The history repeats itself. "You will be upgraded!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathwiz Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 3 hours ago, UCyborg said: Play Store says Firefox 125.3.0 works on Android 5.0+. Yes, it does; and Chase is working on my old phone again. Firefox retains compatibility with phones even older than mine - although I went with 115 instead of 125, just to be stubborn. At least I know I can upgrade again when that nag comes back, and the phone itself will work as long as I don't drop it and 4G still exists. (4G will go away at some point, but my old phone probably has another year or two left.) 16 hours ago, NotHereToPlayGames said: And Facebook... ? Almost certainly, at least if you use Facebook/Instagram/Snapchat. At least Meta isn't quite as pervasive as Alphabet (yet); you can avoid using anything Meta owns - at least, if you know that they own it! But the whole darn Internet buys Google ads, uses Google products and services, watches YouTube videos (even on other sites), etc. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotHereToPlayGames Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 (edited) 6 hours ago, Mathwiz said: At least Meta isn't quite as pervasive as Alphabet (yet); you can avoid using anything Meta owns That seems to be true today but it was certainly not true approx three years ago or so. I used to have a Chase account but no longer do because of their you-must-upgrade-your-browser constant and incessant nagging. As a "secondary account", I could boycott their business. But all of my utilities are basically monopolies, I have ONE choice if I want WATER at the house, ONE choice if I want CABLE at the house, ONE choice if I want ELECTRICITY at the house, ONE choice if I want HEAT at the house. I searched for several login pages and they all do lack Facebook today, that did not used to be the case, their own login page used to connect to Facebook! I can actually remember a time when Chase's login page had over 120 scripts being ran! I count via Proxomitron as it will count each and every individual 'script tag'. The top-hit as far as an internet search for the login "front page" (I no longer remember what URL that I used when I had a Chase account) currently only shows 21 scrips and no Facebook connections. Edited May 7 by NotHereToPlayGames 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AstroSkipper Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 14 hours ago, UCyborg said: Play Store says Firefox 125.3.0 works on Android 5.0+. Or you can buy a new phone 'cause I don't see anyone porting Chrome to older Androids. The history repeats itself. "You will be upgraded!" :OT Unfortunately, there are really no forks of browsers which bring newer browser versions to older Android versions. Thus, my old, beloved Samsung Galaxy S3 with the old Android 4.3 stucks on very old browser versions. When setting up my new Galaxy smartphone, I will probably root the S3 device to upgrade it to Android 7. Just for fun, of course! The good is my tablet is on Android 9 and still gets the most recent browser versions from the Chrome world. :END OF OT 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ascii2 Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 @roytam1, I noticed that your zip-compressed files such as omni.ja and various provided *.xpi extensions, are compressed in a Deflate-compatible manner, but with greater compression than one usually is provided with typical ZIP compression utilities. How do you get that increased compression? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathwiz Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 Dragging myself back on topic, I discovered a workaround for chase.com on Serpent. At least it works on 55; haven't tried 52 yet but it'll probably work there too, at least as long as you use my StructuredClone polyfill via ???Monkey. When you first log on, you get the dreaded: But if you click "Plan & track," then click back to "Accounts," it will come up and work fine! Well, mostly fine; if you have multiple accounts, the "Transfer money" option is broken. You can't select the other account to transfer money to. Have to use a more modern browser for that function to work. But at least it's usable outside of that function. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roytam1 Posted May 8 Author Share Posted May 8 1 hour ago, Ascii2 said: @roytam1, I noticed that your zip-compressed files such as omni.ja and various provided *.xpi extensions, are compressed in a Deflate-compatible manner, but with greater compression than one usually is provided with typical ZIP compression utilities. How do you get that increased compression? 7-zip can do better zip compression sometimes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ascii2 Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 1 hour ago, roytam1 said: 7-zip can do better zip compression sometimes. Does 7-Zip not have reliability troubles with the relevant ZIP extended formats (XPI, EPUB, APK, (I think also JA) etc.)? Particularly, for Mozilla files that use extended Zip formats, such as .ja (I think) and .xpi, it is my understanding that member file order in the archives matters and is optimized by Mozilla process. Mozilla has provided a disclaimer against using 7-zip in creating a singed XPI-file extension (see https://web.archive.org/web/20200105223104/https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Archive/Add-ons/Signing_an_XPI#Prepare_XPI_file_for_signing ) because, as it alleges, 7-zip may change order of files. Have you found this not to be the issue? As a test of compression ability, I have downloaded and extracted https://o.rthost.win/boc-uxp/session_manager-0.8.1.14-sm.xpi then tried to re-compress the extracted content to Zip format with 7-zip, but the compression type and end archive file size is much greater (556,780 bytes is my lowest-size outcome) than yours (552,422 bytes). What am I missing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j7n Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 In 7-Zip directories are added as items separate for any files they may contain. You can see they have dates and attributes. Most archivers do this. The XPI contains only files. Each file header in the Zip central directory has a 36 bytes long extra field. With many files and directories, this adds up. Old archivers like RAR do not add this, but the Deflate compression there is worse. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AstroSkipper Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 (edited) 21 hours ago, Ascii2 said: @roytam1, I noticed that your zip-compressed files such as omni.ja and various provided *.xpi extensions, are compressed in a Deflate-compatible manner, but with greater compression than one usually is provided with typical ZIP compression utilities. How do you get that increased compression? 18 hours ago, Ascii2 said: Does 7-Zip not have reliability troubles with the relevant ZIP extended formats (XPI, EPUB, APK, (I think also JA) etc.)? Particularly, for Mozilla files that use extended Zip formats, such as .ja (I think) and .xpi, it is my understanding that member file order in the archives matters and is optimized by Mozilla process. Mozilla has provided a disclaimer against using 7-zip in creating a singed XPI-file extension (see https://web.archive.org/web/20200105223104/https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Archive/Add-ons/Signing_an_XPI#Prepare_XPI_file_for_signing ) because, as it alleges, 7-zip may change order of files. Have you found this not to be the issue? As a test of compression ability, I have downloaded and extracted https://o.rthost.win/boc-uxp/session_manager-0.8.1.14-sm.xpi then tried to re-compress the extracted content to Zip format with 7-zip, but the compression type and end archive file size is much greater (556,780 bytes is my lowest-size outcome) than yours (552,422 bytes). What am I missing? Use JustOff's tool MozJAR Recompressor: https://github.com/JustOff/mozjarr/tree/master All about re-compressing such files was already discussed here: https://msfn.org/board/topic/184051-my-browser-builds-part-4/?do=findComment&comment=1248092 and here: https://msfn.org/board/topic/184051-my-browser-builds-part-4/?do=findComment&comment=1247872 Cheers, AstroSkipper Edited May 9 by AstroSkipper Correction 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roytam1 Posted May 8 Author Share Posted May 8 Off-topic: so, in worst case, my internet connection can be unavailable in any time. A Hong Kong appeals court has sided with the government in its attempt to ban protest song Glory to Hong Kong, overturning an earlier ruling. https://hongkongfp.com/2024/05/08/breaking-govt-bid-to-ban-glory-to-hong-kong-protest-song-approved-by-appeals-court Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClassicNick Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 16 minutes ago, roytam1 said: Off-topic: so, in worst case, my internet connection can be unavailable in any time. A Hong Kong appeals court has sided with the government in its attempt to ban protest song Glory to Hong Kong, overturning an earlier ruling. https://hongkongfp.com/2024/05/08/breaking-govt-bid-to-ban-glory-to-hong-kong-protest-song-approved-by-appeals-court ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now