AstroSkipper Posted September 14, 2023 Author Posted September 14, 2023 (edited) 7 hours ago, WSC4 said: Thanks to AstroSkipper for going to all the trouble of helping and supplying all those links, updates and support tools. You're welcome! 7 hours ago, WSC4 said: I downloaded the .NET Framework Setup Verification Tool and tested all version of .NET that I have. All passed with flying colours. Just to make sure, I also downloaded and ran NDP40-KB2600211-x86-x64.exe which is the Update 4.0.3 for Microsoft .NET Framework 4 – Runtime Update. Installed OK. I also found FREEAV.exe is zipped and using 7-ZIP extracted all the files. In there is the PandaCloudAntivirus_x64.msi installer and setup.exe installer. Unfortunately, running each one came up with the same .NET error. ... I have given up on Panda and have decided it is not suitable for XP 64-bit and will move on and try others. Thanks to @WSC4 for reporting back! So, Panda really meant what was stated as the system requirements: Quote Compatible with: Windows 10, Windows 8/8.1, Windows 7, Windows Vista, and Windows XP (SP3 or higher) Therefore, we now definitely know that Panda Antivirus Free is not compatible with Windows XP 64 bit editions due to .NET Framework 4 problems, confirmed by @WSC4 and @UCyborg. Accordingly, I noted that in my article. Cheers, AstroSkipper Edited September 14, 2023 by AstroSkipper Update of content 5
Vistapocalypse Posted September 14, 2023 Posted September 14, 2023 11 hours ago, WSC4 said: I have given up on Panda and have decided it is not suitable for XP 64-bit and will move on and try others. I am more favorably disposed toward Avast/AVG 18.8 than AstroSkipper is, but once again the system requirements specified “XP SP3*” with an asterisk indicating a footnote: “Both the 32- and 64-bit versions...” Do they not know that Service Pack 3 only exists in a 32-bit version? I have no idea whether or not Kaspersky 18 supported XP x64. I can tell you that it required .NET 4 and did not require SSE2. Good luck with your testing! 2
AstroSkipper Posted September 14, 2023 Author Posted September 14, 2023 (edited) 360 Total Security Essential This article is about 360 Total Security Essential and not about 360 Total Security. These versions are different. 360 Total Security Essential is an antivirus for the basic computer protection against malware and online threats. The software uses multiple antivirus engines and intelligent cloud technology to detect infected files and unknown or hidden threats: 360 Cloud Scan Engine, System Repair Engine, QVM II AI Engine, QEX script killing engine and Avira AntiVir Engine. Furthermore, 360 Total Security Essential supports various types of system scans for suspicious files, which can be further analysed to avoid security problems. The software provides protection on the internet by blocking dangerous websites and making secure online purchases. 360 Total Security Essential has a sandbox that allows you to open files or run applications in an isolated environment without the risk of damaging the main system. Its antivirus also uses behavioural analysis to prevent the system infection and protect personal data against ransomware. 360 Total Security Essential is compatible with Windows XP and free of charge. Main features: Additional antivirus engines Privacy protection Internet security Protection of the file system and registry Sandbox Homepage: https://web.archive.org/web/20200203081602/http://www.360totalsecurity.com/en/features/360-total-security-essential/ Version number: 8.8.0.1119 Date of release: 18.12.2019 System requirements: Windows 10/8.1/8/7/Vista/XP/Server 2008 and above version Version history: Quote 8.8.0.1119 Dec 18, 2019 Fixed: Bug fixes 8.8.0.1118 Nov 8, 2019 Added: Support Windows 10 November 2019 Update Fixed: Bug fixes 8.8.0.1116 Sep 23, 2019 Fixed: Bug fixes 8.8.0.1114 Jul 4, 2019 Improved: Security feature enhancement Improved: USB Driver Protection Added: Support Windows 10 May 2019 Update Fixed: Bug fixes 8.8.0.1105 Dec 18, 2018 Fixed: Bug fixes 8.8.0.1101 Nov 14, 2018 Added: Support Windows 10 RS5 8.8.0.1097 Sep 5, 2018 Fixed: Bug fixes 8.8.0.1096 Jun 25, 2018 Fixed: Bug fixes 8.8.0.1090 May 29, 2018 Added: Compliance with the European General Data Protection Regulation Fixed: Bug fixes 8.8.0.1083 May 21, 2018 Added: Support Windows 10 Spring Creators Update Fixed: Bug fixes 8.8.0.1082 Apr 18, 2018 Fixed: Bug fixes 8.8.0.1078 Mar 13, 2018 Added: Set registry key for Meltdown and Spectre patch 8.8.0.1077 Mar 7, 2018 Fixed: Bug fixes 8.8.0.1076 Feb 24, 2018 Fixed: Bug fixes 8.8.0.1073 Feb 2, 2018 Add: Premium Membership - Complete protection without Ads and Lively theme to dress up your Total Security Essential Fixed: Bug fixes 8.8.0.1050 Dec 25, 2017 Fixed: Bug fixes 8.8.0.1049 Nov 27, 2017 Fixed: Bug fixes 8.8.0.1047 Nov 16, 2017 Added: Fully support Windows 10 Autumn Creators Update 8.8.0.1043 Aug 2, 2017 Fixed: Bug fixes 8.8.0.1042 Jul 14, 2017 Added: Internet Protection for WebExtensions in FireFox Fixed: Bug fixes 8.8.0.1036 Jun 6, 2017 Fixed: Bug fixes 8.8.0.1033 Apr 24, 2017 Fixed: Bug fixes Added: Support Windows 10 Creators Update 8.8.0.1020 Aug 10, 2016 Added: Support Windows 10 Anniversary Update Fixed: Bug fixes 8.2.0.1039 May 11, 2016 Fixed: Bug fixes 8.2.0.1038 Apr 28, 2016 Fixed: Bug fixes 8.2.0.1035 Apr 22, 2016 Fixed: Bug fixes 8.2.0.1034 Apr 20, 2016 Fixed: Bug fixes 8.2.0.1031 Feb 26, 2016 Added: Language - German Added: Potentially Unwanted Program(PUP) blocking Added: Support scanning iOS IPA files infected with Xcode Ghost Added: Virus Scan - Support Rar5 file type(Archive file) Added: Virus Scan - Support IPA file type(iOS installer package) Added: Virus Scan - Item detail for scan result Fixed: Bug fixes 7.2.0.1027 Dec 17, 2015 Fixed: Bug fixes 7.2.0.1025 Nov 14, 2015 Added: Support Windows 10 TH2(Build 10586) Fixed: Bug fixes 7.2.0.1021 Sep 21, 2015 Added: Support scanning iOS IPA files infected with Xcode Ghost 7.2.0.1020 Sep 18, 2015 Fixed: Bug fixes 7.2.0.1019 Sep 3, 2015 Fixed: Bug fixes 7.2.0.1018 Aug 17, 2015 Fixed: Bug fixes 7.2.0.1012 Jul 29, 2015 Added: Fully support Windows 10 Added: Windows 10-styled Skin Added: Data Hijacking Protection Added: Malicious root certificate cleanup Fixed: Bug fixes 6.6.1.1014 Jun 1, 2015 Added: Language - Vietnamese Added: Language - Portuguese Added: Language - Simplified Chinese Added: Language - Japanese Added: Language - Hindi Added: Display Language Changing Added: Scheduled Scan Added: Shutdown after Virus Scan Added: Internet Protection for Chrome 64bit Added: Internet Protection for Opera Browser Added: Internet Protection for Yandex Browser Added: Virus Scan in Safe Mode Fixed: Bug fixes 6.0.0.2016 Apr 30, 2015 Fixed: Bug fixes 6.0.0.1022 Apr 7, 2015 Fixed: Bug fixes 6.0.0.1021 Mar 17, 2015 Active Protection Virus Scan Sandbox Theme Non-administrator support Multi-language support: English, Russian, Spanish, Turkish, Traditional Chinese Review: https://www.accuratereviews.com/best-antivirus-for-pc-software-reviews-list/360-total-security-essential/ Download link: https://web.archive.org/web/20200402234430if_/https://free.360totalsecurity.com/totalsecurity/360TSE_Setup.exe Screenshots: Screenshot of the main interface: Screenshot of the security configuration with settings I made, especially in terms of the Avira Scan Engine: In this screenshot above, you see I changed the protection mode from the default Balanced to Custom, and I enabled the Avira Scan Engine. Alternatively, you can set the protection mode to the highest level Security. This definitely improves the programme's detection rate. More about the used Avira Scan Engine can be read here. In March 2023, I had installed 360 Total Security Essential 8.8.0.1119 on my second system partition and used it for a while. This version has definitely no such bloatware and crappy desktop manager as I had to notice in the 360 Total Security 10.x follow-up versions I tested before. When installing 360 Total Security Essential 8.8.0.1119, there is an option to install additionally the browser Opera but you can untick it. The whole installation process is far more pleasant than it is, for example, in the edition 360 Total Security 10.8.0.1541. 360 Total Security Essential is quite okay as an alternative in Windows XP where the choice of antivirus programmes is very limited. Although I can't say much about the quality of its protection, you have the option of installing the Avira Scan Engine which increases the detection rate of this programme considerably, as AV-Test has shown in the follow-up version 9.2. Here is an image taken from the test: The impact of system resources by 360 Total Security Essential 8.8.0.1119 is very low. One hardly notices the presence of this programme in the background. And that in my very old, weak system! Unfortunately, 360 Total Security Essential in version 8.8.0.1119 was the last release of this edition. It was abandoned at some point in the past, but its virus definitions could still be updated when I tested it in March 2023. Therefore, I think it will probably still work in these days. But as always, the proof is in the pudding. So maybe, someone can test that and report here. Cheers, AstroSkipper Edited October 8, 2023 by AstroSkipper Update of content 5
Vistapocalypse Posted September 14, 2023 Posted September 14, 2023 47 minutes ago, AstroSkipper said: Although I can't say much about the quality of its protection, you have the option of installing the Avira Scan Engine which increases the detection rate of this programme considerably, as AV-Test has shown in the follow-up version 9.2. Here is an image taken from the test: That brings back memories about a company that has long been deemed untrustworthy by many in the West: https://www.computerworld.com/article/2917384/antivirus-test-labs-call-out-chinese-security-company-as-cheat.html 1
UCyborg Posted September 14, 2023 Posted September 14, 2023 (edited) On 9/12/2023 at 7:19 PM, AstroSkipper said: BTW, did you try to install Panda as admin? Yes. In the end, I tried installing when only KB2600211 was installed and when both KB2600211 and KB2600217 were installed. No difference. Then I removed these updates and finally .NET 4 and tried installing the version with slipstreamed updates from https://github.com/abbodi1406/dotNetXP (I used cmd-line parameters to exclude older .NETs), but the installer failed after it started with exception. This is far as I'm willing to go at this point, maybe someone else with more updated OS can give it a try. Edited September 14, 2023 by UCyborg 3
AstroSkipper Posted September 14, 2023 Author Posted September 14, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, UCyborg said: Yes. In the end, I tried installing when only KB2600211 was installed and when both KB2600211 and KB2600217 were installed. No difference. Then I removed these updates and finally .NET 4 and tried installing the version with slipstreamed updates from https://github.com/abbodi1406/dotNetXP (I used cmd-line parameters to exclude older .NETs), but the installer failed after it started with exception. This is far as I'm willing to go at this point, maybe someone else with more updated OS can give it a try. Thanks for your efforts! TBH, I think there is something missing in Windows XP 64 bit. But in the end, we have to accept that Panda Antivirus Free is not compatible with this OS due to problems in recognising an already existing .NET Framework 4 installation. Panda Antivirus Free can't be installed out of the box although .NET Framework 4 is installed apparently properly. Personally, I am glad that I use Windows XP Professional SP3 32 bit (including all POSReady updates). Edited September 15, 2023 by AstroSkipper Update of content 6
George King Posted September 15, 2023 Posted September 15, 2023 @AstroSkipper I have builded new testing machine capable to run XP - 11 (Asus B360, Intel i5 9400F, 32GB RAM, NVIDIA 980 Ti). I will try today install XP x64 with everything until 08-2019 to see how it goes. I think I have succesfully installed Panda on my x64 images in past. But I will download latest offline installer to confirm it. On x86 was everything fine. No issues at all. 1
WSC4 Posted September 15, 2023 Posted September 15, 2023 (edited) 10 hours ago, AstroSkipper said: I think there is something missing in Windows XP 64 bit. But in the end, we have to accept that Panda Antivirus Free is not compatible with this OS due to problems in recognising an already existing .NET Framework 4 installation. 1 hour ago, George King said: I will try today install XP x64 with everything until 08-2019 to see how it goes. I think I have successfully installed Panda on my x64 images in past. But I will download latest offline installer to confirm it. If you can get it up and running on XP 64-bit, well and good, but I do not think it matters any more. One of the reasons I am not bothering with Panda, is that I read the review on the PC Magazine site: https://www.pcmag.com/reviews/panda-free-antivirus It does not get a good review. Notably in the Aggregate Lab Results and Malware Protection Tests results. On your first page showing: Alphabetical list of working antimalware, firewall, and other security programs for Windows XP. There are plenty more to test out. AVG is not on the list? https://www.avg.com/en-au/windows-xp-antivirus#pc Edited September 15, 2023 by WSC4 2
AstroSkipper Posted September 15, 2023 Author Posted September 15, 2023 (edited) 7 hours ago, WSC4 said: On your first page showing: Alphabetical list of working antimalware, firewall, and other security programs for Windows XP. There are plenty more to test out. AVG is not on the list? https://www.avg.com/en-au/windows-xp-antivirus#pc @WSC4 Did you read my first, introducing post of this thread? Here is a short quotation: On 4/28/2023 at 8:37 PM, AstroSkipper said: This project is very extensive and involves a lot of work. In-depth research in particular is very time-consuming, but necessary. So be patient, especially if the list of programs fills up slowly! As always: Good things come to those who wait. And just for clarification, I won't test all of them by myself, of course. Here, other members can make a perfect contribution with their knowledge or experiences already made. In my Alphabetical list of working antimalware, firewall, and other security programmes for Windows XP, I will list only those programmes which were reviewed by me in the form of an article with all necessary information. I keep an internal list of 77 security programmes and services (as of 15.09.2023). I already reviewed 24 of them. So, there is still a lot to do. And of course, AVG is on this list, too. I will write an article about it soon. And I'll do that although I don't like AVG due to bad experiences I made in the past. But, as I already said, this project is very extensive and involves a lot of work. And, it's not my only project here on MSFN. I am very experienced in writing articles, and that's no problem, either. But, the most time-consuming actions are thorough researching, testing, and sometimes, fixing problems as in the case of Malwarebytes Anti-Malware 1.75.0.1300. Therefore, my official list will only fill up slowly. And that means, any form of help is very welcome and much appreciated. Kind regards, AstroSkipper Edited September 15, 2023 by AstroSkipper Update of content 1
AstroSkipper Posted September 15, 2023 Author Posted September 15, 2023 (edited) 8 hours ago, George King said: On x86 was everything fine. No issues at all. I know. I tested Panda Antivirus Free months ago and used it a longer time. It worked great in my system. On 9/12/2023 at 2:04 PM, AstroSkipper said: BTW, I had no problems at all to install Panda Antivirus Free under a fully updated Windows XP Professional SP3 32 Bit including all POSReady updates. Windows XP Professional SP3 32 Bit is simply great. 8 hours ago, George King said: @AstroSkipper I have builded new testing machine capable to run XP - 11 (Asus B360, Intel i5 9400F, 32GB RAM, NVIDIA 980 Ti). I will try today install XP x64 with everything until 08-2019 to see how it goes. I think I have succesfully installed Panda on my x64 images in past. But I will download latest offline installer to confirm it. @George King As I don't use Windows XP 64 bit, it would be great if you can do additionally some tests under this OS. Maybe, a fully updated Windows XP 64 bit is necessary to get Panda Antivirus Free installed. I performed a deeper research via Google and found a lot of similar reports about .NET Framework 4 problems under different OSes when installing Panda Antivirus Free. In Windows 7, for example, a system patch seems to be necessary if the .NET Framework 4 error occurs. Anyway! One thing is totally clear. Any form of help in testing is very welcome and much appreciated. Greetings, AstroSkipper Edited September 15, 2023 by AstroSkipper Update of content 1
AstroSkipper Posted September 15, 2023 Author Posted September 15, 2023 (edited) On 9/15/2023 at 10:20 AM, WSC4 said: One of the reasons I am not bothering with Panda, is that I read the review on the PC Magazine site: https://www.pcmag.com/reviews/panda-free-antivirus It does not get a good review. Notably in the Aggregate Lab Results and Malware Protection Tests results. @WSC4 These tests should be taken with extreme caution. There were positive tests, but also negative ones. For me, Panda Antivirus Free ran very well and did its job without any problems a few months ago. I would reinstall it again immediately if Malwarebytes one day no longer provided virus definitions under Windows XP. BTW, the main reason for using Malwarebytes is that I own a lifetime licence. And one thing should not be forgotten. Under Windows XP, you can't be as picky as under new operating systems that are supported by all manufacturers. Here are a few more tests and reviews for you to read: https://www.experte.com/antivirus/panda https://www.lifewire.com/panda-free-antivirus-review-1356582 https://www.av-comparatives.org/vendors/panda/ https://www.av-test.org/en/antivirus/home-windows/manufacturer/panda-security/ Greetings, AstroSkipper Edited September 16, 2023 by AstroSkipper Update of content 1
Vistapocalypse Posted September 15, 2023 Posted September 15, 2023 6 hours ago, WSC4 said: One of the reasons I am not bothering with Panda, is that I read the review on the PC Magazine site: https://www.pcmag.com/reviews/panda-free-antivirus I am familiar with that review and consider it fair. Ironically, it was a much older and more favorable review by Neil Rubenking that once led me to try Panda, and he lost much of his credibility with me as a result. I notice that you are being supplied with more links about Panda despite your stated desire to try something else. Here’s a BBC link that explains why wild horses couldn’t drag me back to Panda (having been a victim of this debacle): https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-31851125 7 hours ago, WSC4 said: AVG is not on the list? Avast bought AVG before they ended support for XP/Vista, and AVG 18.8 has the same engine as Avast 18.8 (although the UI is markedly different). If you should find that one will not work on XP x64, then it would almost certainly be a waste of time to test the other. (There has more recently been an even bigger merger, and Avast/AVG is now part of a multinational corporation called Gen Digital along with the Norton and Avira antivirus brands.) 1
AstroSkipper Posted September 16, 2023 Author Posted September 16, 2023 (edited) On 9/15/2023 at 10:20 AM, WSC4 said: One of the reasons I am not bothering with Panda, is that I read the review on the PC Magazine site: https://www.pcmag.com/reviews/panda-free-antivirus It does not get a good review. Notably in the Aggregate Lab Results and Malware Protection Tests results. @WSC4 BTW, your linked review of Panda Antivirus Free is from 09.06.2021 and hasn't been updated since then. Therefore, it does not refer to the more recent versions of Panda Antivirus Free. This test already linked by me is most recent from 11.09.2023: https://www.experte.com/antivirus/panda But as I already stated, those tests that are not performed by independent testing laboratories should be taken with extreme caution. They are not really objective which is a problem in general. Very often, missing features that no one really needs are the reason for bad results. Cheers, AstroSkipper Edited September 16, 2023 by AstroSkipper 1
AstroSkipper Posted September 16, 2023 Author Posted September 16, 2023 (edited) Basically, it should also be mentioned here that it is actually incredible to still have companies providing antimalware programmes for Windows XP, an operating system for which support was officially discontinued in 2014, quite apart from whether or not these programmes meet the often high demands of users. And by that I really mean all the manufacturers that still support Windows XP (and also Windows Vista) in any form in these days, such as Malwarebytes, Panda, Avast, MicroWorld Technologies Inc, AVG (actually Avast again), Qihoo 360, Glarysoft, and so on. I think a thank you for that to them all was long overdue. AstroSkipper Edited September 17, 2023 by AstroSkipper Update of content 2
AstroSkipper Posted September 17, 2023 Author Posted September 17, 2023 (edited) AVG Antivirus Free AVG AntiVirus Free edition provides realtime protection to your Windows PC from viruses, spyware, ransomware, and other malware. It can block unsafe links, downloads, and email attachments before they are run. Present version comes with an added layer of ransomware protection, which also stops hackers from hijacking your webcam. AVG Antivirus Free 18.8.4084.0 is the last compatible version with Windows XP and, as the name implies, free of charge. Although AVG AntiVirus Free 18.8.4084.0 doesn't receive programme updates, it still protects Windows XP owners with regular virus definition updates. Main features: Real-Time PC Protection - Instantly protects you against even the latest threats. Web Protection - Scans your devices and blocks unsafe links and downloads. Email Protection - Scans your emails (POP3, IMAP4, SMTP) and blocks unsafe links, downloads and attachments. Homepage: https://www.avg.com/en-us/windows-xp-antivirus#pc http://web.archive.org/web/20181129115122/https://www.avg.com/en-us/windows-xp-antivirus Version number: 18.8.4084.0 Date of release: 26.11.2018 System requirements: Compatibel with Microsoft Windows 11, 10, 8, 7 und XP. Version history: There is none. Tests: https://www.av-comparatives.org/tests/real-world-protection-test-july-november-2018/ https://www.av-comparatives.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/avc_prot_2018b_en.pdf Reviews: https://www.techradar.com/reviews/avg-antivirus-free https://www.technadu.com/avg-antivirus-free-review/13191/ User experiences: https://msfn.org/board/topic/184730-antimalware-firewall-and-other-security-programs-for-windows-xp-working-in-2023-and-hopefully-beyond/?do=findComment&comment=1253727 by @WSC4 Download links: Online installer: http://web.archive.org/web/20181129115104if_/https://install.avcdn.net/avg/iavs9x/avg_antivirus_free_setup.exe Offline installer: https://install.avcdn.net/avg/iavs9x-xp/avg_antivirus_free_setup_offline.exe Virus database offline updater: https://install.avcdn.net/avinitro/aviupd.exe Uninstaller: And a further tool associated with this AVG version is the AVG Clear 18.8.4084.0 to get rid of all installed components if necessary: https://install.avcdn.net/avg/iavs9x-xp/avgclear.exe Screenshots: Besides all the "objective" facts I have listed above, now some of my own experiences I made in the past. And to be fair, the positives first. AVG Antivirus Free 18.8.4084.0 seems to have a good detection rate in recognising malware as stated in the tests performed by AV comparatives. AVG Antivirus Free 18.8.4084.0 offers a real-time PC protection. It is free of charge, compatible with Windows XP, and it still receives definition updates. Now, the negatives. The installation package and the programme itself is unfortunately bloated such as Avast Free Antivirus 18.8.4084.0. Not to mention the resource consumption I had to observe which is especially a problem on old, weak computers. In my opinion, AVG Antivirus Free 18.8.4084.0 is a cheap imitation of Avast Free Antivirus 18.8.4084.0. As reported by me several times, I had various problems with Avast. But AVG takes the cake. After installing, AVG Antivirus Free 18.8.4084.0 caused only problems, crashed my Windows XP computer, and generated BSODs. That's why I provided the download link to AVG Clear 18.8.4084.0 to get rid of this version completely if you should suffer from similar problems. AVG or more precisely Avast does not provide an own version history for AVG Antivirus Free. IMHO, the choice between AVG and Avast is actually a bit like between plague and cholera , but I would always choose Avast if I had to. This is hopefully never the case again, though. TBH, I actually have listed AVG Antivirus Free 18.8.4084.0 here only for completeness to let the users decide themselves. Cheers, AstroSkipper PS: The research for this article was hell. Useful information about AVG Antivirus Free 18.8.4084.0 was almost impossible to find. The support (Avast) only points to their own Avast products. If someone is looking for support for AVG Antivirus Free 18.8.4084.0, he can expect something. And I don't mean anything good by that. Personally, I will think three times from now on whether I write anything about AVG again. Edited October 13, 2023 by AstroSkipper Update of content 4
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